Adolph Hitler was a Socialist/Communist?

CarlManvers2019

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How would WWII go if Hitler was a Communist and in league with the Soviet Union?

Would WWII happen earlier or later?

Would the Non-Communist Powers be turned Communist or be riddled with Communist spies or civil wars?

How would life be long afterwards? Would Communism be viewed so positively by media and academia if non-Communists win?
 

ShieldWife

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He was already a socialist :p

Anyway, if Hitler had been a communist, it would have gone really badly for the world. Hitler and Stalin could have invaded Poland together and France and the UK would have to declare war on both superpowers at once or neither. If they do nothing, communist powers take Germany and everything to their East unopposed and even if France fights back, we see how that went historically. I’m thinking that communism takes mainland Europe leaving the UK in an even more threatened position than in history. The USA may be reluctant to get involved, the Roosevelt administration and many of the connected power players in Washington being more favorably inclined to communism than fascism.

I’m thinking that the USA sits out the war and Europe becomes dominated by communism. Eventually communist Europe has an economic collapse, but it might last longer than the USSR, since it has Western Europe as well as Eastern Europe.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Stalin would never have been able to accept sharing power; neither would Hitler. Each would have declared the other a traitor to the cause, and history would likely have progressed with little change otherwise.

Would the non-Communist powers try setting them against one another but with extra “support” because one would be seen as the “lesser evil” or easier to take down?
 

Husky_Khan

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Hitler and Stalin could've joined an Axis together and then the inevitable backstabbing/betrayal wouldn't of occurred until after the far weaker Western Allies had been dealt with... to some degree. I mean Britain and France versus Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union doesn't sound like great odds to me, especially if the Axis with the Soviet Union is formed in 1940 or the like and Hitler can just delay Barbarossa until they put a sufficient crumping on Britain. Though Britain would probably still endure. I don't see any way of a cross-channel invasion working because the Soviets don't really have anything to substantially aid Germany in that endeavor.

There could be a more substantial threat to the Middle East and potentially South Asia I suppose. Iran was extremely weak at the time and it'd take Commonwealth forces to resist a Soviet thrust through Persia or Afghanistan or what have you. That would put the Commonwealth forces in a somewhat more precarious position considering they ALSO have to deal with North Africa, East Africa AND whatever Japan might be opportunistically plotting.
 

WolfBear

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There could be a more substantial threat to the Middle East and potentially South Asia I suppose. Iran was extremely weak at the time and it'd take Commonwealth forces to resist a Soviet thrust through Persia or Afghanistan or what have you. That would put the Commonwealth forces in a somewhat more precarious position considering they ALSO have to deal with North Africa, East Africa AND whatever Japan might be opportunistically plotting.

Any chance that you could see Nazi German forces helping the Soviet forces fight the British in the Middle East and/or South Asia?
 

ATP

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He was already a socialist :p

Anyway, if Hitler had been a communist, it would have gone really badly for the world. Hitler and Stalin could have invaded Poland together and France and the UK would have to declare war on both superpowers at once or neither. If they do nothing, communist powers take Germany and everything to their East unopposed and even if France fights back, we see how that went historically. I’m thinking that communism takes mainland Europe leaving the UK in an even more threatened position than in history. The USA may be reluctant to get involved, the Roosevelt administration and many of the connected power players in Washington being more favorably inclined to communism than fascism.

I’m thinking that the USA sits out the war and Europe becomes dominated by communism. Eventually communist Europe has an economic collapse, but it might last longer than the USSR, since it has Western Europe as well as Eastern Europe.

True,they would fight who is top dog,but after conqering Europe.Soviets in TL considered sending 50% of population to gulags in this scenario,so we would have 200M+ victims of communism in this case.
But - at least nobody in Western Europe would honestly praise communism.Except real idiots,of course.

Stalin would never have been able to accept sharing power; neither would Hitler. Each would have declared the other a traitor to the cause, and history would likely have progressed with little change otherwise.


They would do that,after finishing Europe.And,after that,do not matter which genocider would rule.We would have Gulag Europa.

Any chance that you could see Nazi German forces helping the Soviet forces fight the British in the Middle East and/or South Asia?

Chance? they would do that.And later fight each other.
 

Atarlost

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First off, with German aid on the other side the Spanish Civil War goes to the socialists.
Second, everyone has a nice red scare. Mussolini is now a good guy. Japan takes the distrusted but necessary ally slot the USSR held OTL.

So Germany has gained Russia as an ally, but lost Italy, Finland, Romania, Bulgaria, Japan, and probably some others I've missed and had its neighbors start preparing for imminent war earlier. Belgium is back in the alliance with France and the original integrated defense plan is used, which IIRC prevents the Germans from accessing the Ardennes without a fight. Oh, and wasn't the remilitarization of the Rhineland after Hitler came to power? If Communist Germany does that it might provoke a war that Fascist Germany didn't because the Brits wanted them as a trade partner.

Also, there are consequences to implementing communism. Germany's advanced technology would evaporate as those who could fled and those who couldn't flee would not be getting paid for performance. It's hard to tell an engineer is shirking or conducting subtle sabotage if you aren't yourself an engineer.

I don't think Hitler's hand is improved here. Without Italy and Japan dividing British and French attention things are much harder in Norway and France. Surface raiders are pretty much impossible. U-boats require technical expertise that is no longer willing and may have fled the country. Without American trucks and trains, Russia's industry can not be devoted to military equipment the way it was OTL. I believe Baku will be bombed, seriously impacting Russian oil production. Without the Great Patriotic War, the USSR will suffer disloyalty and partisan attacks. Japan won't be denied cash and carry as long as it's fighting Russia and/or Mao and may get lend-lease if they're fighting Russia. Japan with Grant tanks fighting a Russia squeezing its logistics through a straw is not going to be easy to beat.
 

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