I mean for an seriously antiquated android the guy does a pretty fucking good job at recreating something, given that he creates something much much more fearsome and dangerous.
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The Praetomorph was basically just a rabid animal with only a bit of intelligence (such as knowing what the cameras were). I mean, it was randomly attacking stuff because they moved.
The real dangers are how fast those Facehuggers of his make can inject the Goo into a victim: Just momentary contact is enough for it to begin creating a Praetomorph in a host's chest, while a Xenomorph Facehugger needs time to create an embryo in a host (the outlier being the weirdly accelerated Aliens versus Predator movie Facehuggers), and how quickly the Praetomorph can molt into an adult (the Xenomorph takes a few hours, the Praetomorph took maybe one at the most).
The trade-off for this quick implantation/gestation is that they appear to be basically of low intelligence compared to Xenomorphs.
I mean did we watch a different first film? XD Kane's Son just went around killing (and other questionable activities) everyone it saw.
Kane's Son also used tactics and purposeful intimidation. Additionally, the aliens seen in the other films were bloody intelligent -- even the Runner in 3.
The Praetomorph only really displayed intelligence on a few occasions, when on the Covenant; notably when it took out the security cameras.
Otherwise, they literally acted like wild animals with near-mindless aggression. I mean, one was smashing its head against a cockpit to try to get in.
The only thing they have going for them is their quick breeding/development, and even then the trade off looks to be that they're as dumb as rocks compared to actual Xenomorphs.
IndyFront
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Yeah I really think Scott meant to say "David made him (the Praetormorph)" NOT "David made THEM". I can't remember which interview it was but he was either having a senior moment or was stoned (dude smokes a fuckton of weed iirc)
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Poe
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I really don't think so, it's pretty obvious (stated) that David made the Praetormorph, no need to clarify that. Look I hate it too, but this is what Ridley wanted. Frankly I think every single addition, starting with "queens" has taken away from what made Alien terrifying in the first place.
I don't mind the OG Queen, she's just so expertly designed to be a sexy 15 foot tall beast of an alien. One of the most recognizable 'characters' of the series. I don't know of Giger's opinion of her, but it really seems like something he'd get into. Ya know, in his Giger'esque creepy ways.
The later Queens become 25 foot tall dinosaur aliens which are far less interestingly designed.
Poe
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For me its more that any random egg being able to grow up and lay a thousand more eggs is terrifying rather than the design. Just as having engineers etc takes away from it being an organism that evolved naturally perhaps billions of years ago
Bassoe
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I always saw a problem/plothook here when I’d only seen the first movie and had no idea about the Queen’s existence. Namely, eggs are enormous, nearly half the size of Kane’s Son, how’s it supposed to lay one of those?
Clearly we haven't seen the last stage in the xenomorph lifecycle yet…
They don't lay the huge eggs, they turn biomass/living creatures into eggs. At least in the directors cut.I always saw a problem/plothook here when I’d only seen the first movie and had no idea about the Queen’s existence. Namely, eggs are enormous, nearly half the size of Kane’s Son, how’s it supposed to lay one of those?
Clearly we haven't seen the last stage in the xenomorph lifecycle yet…
Both are pretty much canon.
Alien: Isolation's Sevastopol infestation only started with the one Drone born from Foster (Marlow's wife). That same drone is confirmed to be the one that initially stalked Amanda throughout the first part of the game until she yeets it into the gas giant, meaning it didn't molt into a Queen.
It's only after the Joes go full on exterminatus on the remaining people that the other xenomorphs came out to play (to the player's view, at any rate; no doubt they were doing alien-y things off-camera with the other human survivors, like taking them down to the nest).
So, since that Drone didn't molt, the only logical way for it to initially reproduce would be Egg Morphing some poor sucker into an Egg, which eventually spawned another Drone or Royal Facehugger which ultimately became a Queen (confirmed by the developers that the nest did indeed have a Queen -- it was just never encountered by the player).
It's logical to presume that if a Drone is on its own, it'll Egg Morph; if it's part of a colony or if there's a viable way to establish a colony, such as there already being a cache of Eggs (like in the Derelict), it won't have to Egg Morph a victim.
This is why the Runner in Alien 3 didn't try to Egg Morph any of the prisoners: There was a Queen already inside of Ripley. It's also why the initial Drone from Newt's father in Aliens didn't Egg Morph any victims (since other colonists had been facehugged when they went to investigate what happened; caches of Eggs already there).
Of course there's the terrible Alien versus Predator: Requiem method too (Chestbursters down the throats of pregnant women), but that can be ignored because of how utterly shit it was.
Alien: Isolation's Sevastopol infestation only started with the one Drone born from Foster (Marlow's wife). That same drone is confirmed to be the one that initially stalked Amanda throughout the first part of the game until she yeets it into the gas giant, meaning it didn't molt into a Queen.
It's only after the Joes go full on exterminatus on the remaining people that the other xenomorphs came out to play (to the player's view, at any rate; no doubt they were doing alien-y things off-camera with the other human survivors, like taking them down to the nest).
So, since that Drone didn't molt, the only logical way for it to initially reproduce would be Egg Morphing some poor sucker into an Egg, which eventually spawned another Drone or Royal Facehugger which ultimately became a Queen (confirmed by the developers that the nest did indeed have a Queen -- it was just never encountered by the player).
It's logical to presume that if a Drone is on its own, it'll Egg Morph; if it's part of a colony or if there's a viable way to establish a colony, such as there already being a cache of Eggs (like in the Derelict), it won't have to Egg Morph a victim.
This is why the Runner in Alien 3 didn't try to Egg Morph any of the prisoners: There was a Queen already inside of Ripley. It's also why the initial Drone from Newt's father in Aliens didn't Egg Morph any victims (since other colonists had been facehugged when they went to investigate what happened; caches of Eggs already there).
Of course there's the terrible Alien versus Predator: Requiem method too (Chestbursters down the throats of pregnant women), but that can be ignored because of how utterly shit it was.
IndyFront
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Aye, I think we can all agree that AVPR was an utter disgrace to the Perfect Organism in it's portrayal of them as virtually harmless prey creatures that can be dispatched with 7.62 NATO rounds (which is, of course, absurd
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Well, they needed explosive tip caseless to kill the xenomorphs in the second film. Outside of the Aliens versus Predator films, we don't have much to go on there (in Isolation, the 357 can't kill any of the Drones, but that may just be for game design purposes).Aye, I think we can all agree that AVPR was an utter disgrace to the Perfect Organism in it's portrayal of them as virtually harmless prey creatures that can be dispatched with 7.62 NATO rounds (which is, of course, absurd
With the AvP films, however, a regular bullet can kill them (Facehuggers make sense though, since they rely on their acidic blood and speed/stealth than actually being offensive like the Drones and other variants). But, the AvP films are, well... Yeah. smh
Extreme hot and then cold switches can shatter them, as seen in Alien 3, so their exoskeleton can presumably be counted on to be pretty damn tough, and the Drones in Resurrection were vulnerable to extreme cold -- However, given they had human DNA mixed in (the "fleshy bits"), we can't say for certain if that vulnerability was because of that and not something standard to a normal xenomorph.
The end of Isolation (and in the IGN series' epilogue to the game), we see them walking and contentedly snoozing in space on debris and the station's exterior, so extreme cold and vacuum and radiation don't seem to be that much of problems to them.
IndyFront
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Yeah I think the best way to keep the community together would be to keep their "exact" durability feats a secret. It could be they're insanely durable extremophiles that can regenerate from near-death, OR it could be that they are simply on the average durability level of a Big Cat or a bear, we may never know... and we should never know.
It's pretty much a mystery how the Egg got on board to Sulaco; some think the Queen managed to carry one away when she decided to stow aboard the Dropship.
The lead up to it, and Hicks' survival (yes, it turns out that wasn't Hicks in Alien 3 but a marine that looked like him) is explained in the Colonial Marines DLC Stasis Interrupted. We also see Ripley get facehugged in cryo there, IIRC (from what I've heard).
As shit as Colonial Marines is, its storyline is canon, apparently. smh
;P 12 Gauge puts em down in basically 90% of the franchise~Aye, I think we can all agree that AVPR was an utter disgrace to the Perfect Organism in it's portrayal of them as virtually harmless prey creatures that can be dispatched with 7.62 NATO rounds (which is, of course, absurd
Xenomorph exoskeletons have variable yields.
Poe
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Not going off of any canon but the first movie, my thinking would be once they ate enough they would grow larger and start spitting out eggs.I always saw a problem/plothook here when I’d only seen the first movie and had no idea about the Queen’s existence. Namely, eggs are enormous, nearly half the size of Kane’s Son, how’s it supposed to lay one of those?
Clearly we haven't seen the last stage in the xenomorph lifecycle yet…