Okay yeah the story is dogshit in Dark Descent. XD That ending...Oof...But it is a good GAME, in regards to game-related stuff.
I like how in both games Praetorians show up a fair amount, they don't get enough love in Aliens fiction.
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I like how in both games Praetorians show up a fair amount, they don't get enough love in Aliens fiction.
IndyFront
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Actually there's kind of a mid-grade argument for the xenomorphs having regenerative features, i.e.Kane's son was plantigrade though (and adorably wore a pair of sneakers lmao).
Its sort-of implied the Nostromo crew could've just shot the alien with their laser pistols (they had laser pistols in the first film, people kind-of forget it), but there'd be no point because the acid would eat through the hull and kill them all anyways. Hence the move to the incinerators instead.
Ehhhhh regeneration? Sure, but Ridley Scott jerks off at his (non)creation too much.
Want the truth and nothing but the truth? The Xenomorph is 100% mortal, it bleeds, it dies like any other creature.
It's tough, strong, able to withstand terrible environments and is smart as hell.
But bullets put them down just the same, it just might require a few more than normal.
Don't take my word for it, the whole damned point of it's acid blood is to get around the age-old trope of the 'invulnerable monster'.
“Mortal, after all”
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Oh yeah, the Praetorians always need love.
It brings back fond memories of AvP2's multiplayer -- the only other rampager was when the Queen Molt function was enabled in Lifecycle Game Mode.
...Except when the Queen was too big to fit through doors or in corridors. That was a bad game design oversight.
Scott adamantly stated that the Praetomorph which got crushed into pulp by the claw/crane in Covenant would regenerate, good as new, as soon as it splattered onto the ground.
In his old age, he's become completely erratic and inconsistent, which is a shame because he used to be such a stickler for detail and methodical design in his younger years.
Queen Molt was amazing, AvP2 is still the only game with the whole lifecycle in MP...Oh yeah, the Praetorians always need love.
It brings back fond memories of AvP2's multiplayer -- the only other rampager was when the Queen Molt function was enabled in Lifecycle Game Mode.
...Except when the Queen was too big to fit through doors or in corridors. That was a bad game design oversight.
One issue though, Scott didn't make the Xenomorph, hell from a design standpoint James Cameron has more effort in that regard. It was made by Giger and Bannon. Giger for the design and Bannon for what it can actually do.
Scott just told people what to do.
Comes across to me as similar to all the game devs who use "From the makers of X" as an advertisement when they had little to do with the project.
His claim is also nonsensical because wouldn't Alien 3 have a billion miniature Runners all over the place mere moments after it exploded?
Edit: Also explicitly the critter in Covenant isn't a Xenomorph, although it's very similar.
Geiger and Bannon made it, yeah -- Scott had some input, but it was really Cameron who fleshed out the Alien --and by extension the entire setting-- in the second film.
I think he meant that the crushed pulp would pull a T-1000? I dunno -- to say it's nonsensical is an understatement. It's also why the guys holding the creative reigns have basically ignored him/this miraculous immortality.
The origin of the Praetomorph changed pretty much at every stage of development -- first it was David's attempt at recreating the existing Xenomorph from Engineer records; then it was that David created the actual Xenomorph species, with the Praetomorph being prototypes... which makes no fucking sense because the Derelict on LV-426 containing the Eggs was fucking ancient to the point where the Engineer/Space Jockey had fossilized!
The only thing just as convoluted was Prometheus' original script (which was a direct Alien prequel), design direction, and then final product.
Hell, the concept art for Covenant (IIRC it was still "Paradise" at that point) painted a far different story... and he basically scrapped the entire thing just before actual production began.
Scott has basically lost it.
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Your whole post could've just been this, hahahaha. XD
I feel sorry for the man, trying to get famous (again) any way he can...
I honestly think that as long as you had a cattle prod in hand, James Cameron could've made another good Alien film, but you'd have to keep a keen eye on him.
I wouldn't trust Cameron, either.
In the last decade or two, he's become more interested in leaving behind a legacy and developing technology behind film-making for future generations than creating actual good films like in the past. He's also becoming increasingly woke and anti-gun.
Don't forget he was directly involved with Dark Fate, a film that basically shits on his own Terminator legacy, and that the Avatar films are basically just technology demonstrators.
X_X Yeah, you raise a good point there...Eugh...
Maybe Blomkamp could do it? He has a stated interest in the franchise and had connections with Sigourney Weaver.
If there's anyone that could pull it off, it's him. His short films are fucking amazing.
His movies can get a little...South African for my tastes. I didn't mind the symbolism of District 9 but he really should've moved on afterwards. X_X
He wouldn't actually do it, but I could joke that in his hypothetical Aliens film, we'd learn the Xenomorphs are actually oppressed and need to move in on earth, likely in South Africa.
Check out Oat Studios' short films.
filipina84
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Predator freaked me out as well. I am a fan of the Cocoon (1985) and Cocoon The Return (1988) movies though.
Just back from watching the OG version of Alien.
Instances where laser pistol shows up.
-Kane mentions 'lets break out the weapons' in regards to said pistols
-While trekking to/in the alien ship
-On table in several scenes, particularly when weapons are being inspected and when ash tries killing ripley
Instances cut and found in the Director's Cut
-Kane pulls out laser pistol near the egg
Instances where laser pistol shows up.
-Kane mentions 'lets break out the weapons' in regards to said pistols
-While trekking to/in the alien ship
-On table in several scenes, particularly when weapons are being inspected and when ash tries killing ripley
Instances cut and found in the Director's Cut
-Kane pulls out laser pistol near the egg
Bassoe
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My theory remains that the xenomorps are specifically adapted for exactly the situation the movies keep putting them in, specifically, being found by unsuspecting space travelers and gruesomely devouring them. They’ve got acid blood because it keeps people from shooting them for fear of explosively decompressing their own ships. Look at the unused proposed ending with the alien killing everyone and sending out a distress call from the Nostromo in a perfect imitation of Ripley's voice. That's what its parent did to the space jockeys and grandparent to whatever the jockeys picked up its parent from. Thematically kind of like Scott Base’s Siren.Ehhhhh regeneration? Sure, but Ridley Scott jerks off at his (non)creation too much.
Want the truth and nothing but the truth? The Xenomorph is 100% mortal, it bleeds, it dies like any other creature.
It's tough, strong, able to withstand terrible environments and is smart as hell.
But bullets put them down just the same, it just might require a few more than normal.
Don't take my word for it, the whole damned point of it's acid blood is to get around the age-old trope of the 'invulnerable monster'.
“Mortal, after all”
There is an idea among Alien fans –some, not all- that the creature as originally conceived in the original movie is indestructible. Ridley Scott described the Alien as a “supreme being,̶…
In regards to the acid blood, that is exactly why they have it. From a writer's standpoint it's to make the creature invulnerable without literally making it invincible.
IndyFront
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Ehhhhh regeneration? Sure, but Ridley Scott jerks off at his (non)creation too much.
Want the truth and nothing but the truth? The Xenomorph is 100% mortal, it bleeds, it dies like any other creature.
It's tough, strong, able to withstand terrible environments and is smart as hell.
But bullets put them down just the same, it just might require a few more than normal.
Don't take my word for it, the whole damned point of it's acid blood is to get around the age-old trope of the 'invulnerable monster'.
“Mortal, after all”
There is an idea among Alien fans –some, not all- that the creature as originally conceived in the original movie is indestructible. Ridley Scott described the Alien as a “supreme being,̶…
I simply don't understand this backlash. Its an Alien creature, it is inherently different from earth organisms, hell, even a lot of earth organisms exhibit regeneration and extremophile characteristics. Why is it so hard for people to accept a fictional creature could be a lot more strange and well... Alien than you all initially believed it to be. I'm going with Scott here, it can regenerate from near death, this is canon as per Scott whether you like it or not.
If you really have a problem with it then just say "the Praetormorph has regenerative capabilities because it is a sub-clade of the usual xenomorph." The xenomorphs are known to have different species and variants within their family. There. All inconsistency issues fixed.
Oh, and regeneration is HARDLY the most absurd comic book feats of the xenomorphs, they have an issue where Superman gets his ass kicked in a fist fight with a xenomorph ffs. They have some INSANE feats that people tend to over look simply because most interpretations of AVP have a Predator or two kicking Xenomorph ass, and the workers in Aliens being vulnerable to conventional weapons.
Its not a backlash, its simply adhering to the canon of the first and second film. Acid blood is a trait of the creature because it is mortal. Scott did not make the alien or the story, remember.
None of those comics are canon though, so it hardly matters. Additionally the Xenos in Aliens are soldiers/warriors, not drones.
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Question! Any reason why you prefer Drones being taller/larger than Warrior Xenos? Because in most media it's the opposite.
The only exception I can think of is Alien Isolation and it's giga-chad Drones.
Question! Any reason why you prefer Drones being taller/larger than Warrior Xenos? Because in most media it's the opposite.
The only exception I can think of is Alien Isolation and it's giga-chad Drones.