Aliens and Predators Franchise Megathread

[Jormungandr]

@Jormungandr
Question! Any reason why you prefer Drones being taller/larger than Warrior Xenos? Because in most media it's the opposite.

The only exception I can think of is Alien Isolation and it's giga-chad Drones.

Mostly a preference because of the Chad Drones, but since Warriors are said to be an evolution (or natural lifecycle progression) of Drones ("aged Drones", according to Cameron, but that contradicts Scott's original comment that Kane's Son was dying in the Narcissus because of a short lifespan), my thought process is that Drones are meant to gather hosts (overpower/carry/disable, like in Isolation) and build the hives, so they'd be larger for those tasks.

In contrast, while Warriors could do that too, their job is to, well, kill and eliminate threats to their hive, like the Colonial Marines and armed colonists. They need to be more agile, compact, and powerful, like a snake ready to strike than a hunting spider waiting to pick off a victim.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Mostly a preference because of the Chad Drones, but since Warriors are said to be an evolution (or natural lifecycle progression) of Drones ("aged Drones", according to Cameron, but that contradicts Scott's original comment that Kane's Son was dying in the Narcissus because of a short lifespan), my thought process is that Drones are meant to gather hosts (overpower/carry/disable, like in Isolation) and build the hives, so they'd be larger for those tasks.

In contrast, while Warriors could do that too, their job is to, well, kill and eliminate threats to their hive, like the Colonial Marines and armed colonists. They need to be more agile, compact, and powerful, like a snake ready to strike than a hunting spider waiting to pick off a victim.

Yeah the lifespan thing got retconned pretty hard in Aliens. Interesting theory of yours though.

 

[filipina84]

@Jormungandr
Question! Any reason why you prefer Drones being taller/larger than Warrior Xenos? Because in most media it's the opposite.

The only exception I can think of is Alien Isolation and it's giga-chad Drones.

Remember the movie Strange Invaders? It was stomach-churning.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Remember the movie Strange Invaders? It was stomach-churning.

Uhh, I have never seen this movie lmao.

 

[filipina84]

Uhh, I have never seen this movie lmao.

Freaked me the fuck out.

 

[Jormungandr]

Freaked me the fuck out.

That movie is tame compared to Alien (seriously, everything about that movie is messed up -- from the actual alien suit having everything from pipes to human bones to the design itself being a symbolism for sexual assault), Xtro (pedophilic undertones in one segment, body horror in another where one of the Bond Girls before she became a Bond Girl was cocooned and transformed into a living, egg-laying machine by the son), and Killer Klowns from Outer Space (where victims are killed, shrunk, and dissolved in cotton candy cocoons for food, like a spider -- we see some victims' shriveled, half-dissolved faces at one point, and it's fucking hilarious when one of the victims is an arrogant "queen bee" teenager stereotype, haha).

 

[IndyFront]

Its not a backlash, its simply adhering to the canon of the first and second film. Acid blood is a trait of the creature because it is mortal. Scott did not make the alien or the story, remember.

None of those comics are canon though, so it hardly matters. Additionally the Xenos in Aliens are soldiers/warriors, not drones.

Nobody is saying it is immortal ffs, just that it has some crazy regenerative abilities, and you can't just flat out ignore the major role Ridley Scott played in the Alien universe because you dislike it having that particular ability, and bringing up the comics was to point out regenerative abilities are HARDLY as absurd you lot are making it out to be. And in other threads I've stated multiple times they CAN be killed by high explosives, so don't put words in my mouth please, it's rude.

The origin of the Praetomorph changed pretty much at every stage of development -- first it was David's attempt at recreating the existing Xenomorph from Engineer records; then it was that David created the actual Xenomorph species, with the Praetomorph being prototypes... which makes no fucking sense because the Derelict on LV-426 containing the Eggs was fucking ancient to the point where the Engineer/Space Jockey had fossilized!

It is never directly confirmed whether it was actually fossilized, it could have appeared fossilized to Dallas but that doesn't mean it was actually fossilized.

 

[Jormungandr]

Nobody is saying it is immortal ffs, just that it has some crazy regenerative abilities, and you can't just flat out ignore the major role Ridley Scott played in the Alien universe because you dislike it having that particular ability, and bringing up the comics was to point out regenerative abilities are HARDLY as absurd you lot are making it out to be. And in other threads I've stated multiple times they CAN be killed by high explosives, so don't put words in my mouth please, it's rude.

It is never directly confirmed whether it was actually fossilized, it could have appeared fossilized to Dallas but that doesn't mean it was actually fossilized.

You're talking about in-story/in-universe -- I'm talking about the actual development of "Paradise"/Alien: Covenant, with Ridley Scott being the driving force behind all the creative decisions (he wanted to stick to his guns about Paradise being "in the same vein as Alien", but Prometheus' reception caused him to half-pivot to a direct prequel at the same time). He kept changing things during development/production to the point where, behind the scenes, the film was a goddamn mess.

His comments post-release (such as the Praetomorph being this uber regenerating thing) also adds more murkiness to things, like JKR's post-book comments about HP canon in interviews and such.

I mean, sure, it wasn't Alien 3 or Star Wars Sequel Trilogy levels of fuckery, but it was pretty messed up.

 

[filipina84]

That movie is tame compared to Alien (seriously, everything about that movie is messed up -- from the actual alien suit having everything from pipes to human bones to the design itself being a symbolism for sexual assault), Xtro (pedophilic undertones in one segment, body horror in another where one of the Bond Girls before she became a Bond Girl was cocooned and transformed into a living, egg-laying machine by the son), and Killer Klowns from Outer Space (where victims are killed, shrunk, and dissolved in cotton candy cocoons for food, like a spider -- we see some victims' shriveled, half-dissolved faces at one point, and it's fucking hilarious when one of the victims is an arrogant "queen bee" teenager stereotype, haha).

Wasn't there a movie, where one woman killed a man with her legs crushing him to death during sex?

 

[Jormungandr]

Wasn't there a movie, where one woman killed a man with her legs crushing him to death during sex?

To be honest, that's so vague it could be in many, many horror films. Do you remember anything more specific to help narrow it down?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Nobody is saying it is immortal ffs, just that it has some crazy regenerative abilities, and you can't just flat out ignore the major role Ridley Scott played in the Alien universe because you dislike it having that particular ability, and bringing up the comics was to point out regenerative abilities are HARDLY as absurd you lot are making it out to be. And in other threads I've stated multiple times they CAN be killed by high explosives, so don't put words in my mouth please, it's rude.

;P Don't put words in my mouth either man, I've stated that I believe it has regenerative abilities as well.
Just not 'reconstitute itself from squished Xeno mush' levels of regen.

 

[Husky_Khan]

To be honest, that's so vague it could be in many, many horror films. Do you remember anything more specific to help narrow it down?

She's talking about Goldeneye with Xenia Onatopp as one of the most memorable Bond villains of all time.

I knew the answer but I didn't want to say it cuz good f'ing grief that's so off topic.

 

[filipina84]

She's talking about Goldeneye with Xenia Onatopp as one of the most memorable Bond villains of all time.

I knew the answer but I didn't want to say it cuz good f'ing grief that's so off topic.

I was referring to that lady. Poor guy had no damn clue he signed his death warrant the second he wanted to have sex with her SMH.

 

[Jormungandr]

I was referring to that lady. Poor guy had no damn clue he signed his death warrant the second he wanted to have sex with her SMH.

Trust me, Xenia is outright tame compared to some "death by snu-snu" monsters and creatures out there.

My friend, let me tell you about a film series called "Species"...

 

[filipina84]

Trust me, Xenia is outright tame compared to some "death by snu-snu" monsters and creatures out there.

My friend, let me tell you about a film series called "Species"...

Oh yes I do remember seeing the first two movies of Spiecies.

 

[IndyFront]

;P Don't put words in my mouth either man, I've stated that I believe it has regenerative abilities as well.
Just not 'reconstitute itself from squished Xeno mush' levels of regen.

Like I said earlier, it is possible Ridley Scott intended for the Praetomorph to be a sub-clade of the traditional xenomorph, David's specific "unique" weaponization of the xenomorph, or that just certain species of xenomorph have this ability while others do not. 1) The facehugger in Alien heals in seconds. 2) Ripley 8 exhibits rapid regeneration due to her hybridization 3) Survives being crushed to death under 15 tons of hot lead being dumped on it from a great height 4) In the novelization of Alien it regrows an arm. So regrowing limbs or body segments is not out-of-character for the xenomorph.

Also nobody said it could 'reconstitute itself from mush or paste', just that it can regrow limbs and body segments.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Like I said earlier, it is possible Ridley Scott intended for the Praetomorph to be a sub-clade of the traditional xenomorph, David's specific "unique" weaponization of the xenomorph, or that just certain species of xenomorph have this ability while others do not. 1) The facehugger in Alien heals in seconds. 2) Ripley 8 exhibits rapid regeneration due to her hybridization 3) Survives being crushed to death under 15 tons of hot lead being dumped on it from a great height 4) In the novelization of Alien it regrows an arm. So regrowing limbs or body segments is not out-of-character for the xenomorph.

Also nobody said it could 'reconstitute itself from mush or paste', just that it can regrow limbs and body segments.

Regrowing limbs isn't outrageous because limbs don't contain vital organs. The Xenomorph's internal organs seem relatively similar to humans, torso/headshots put them down.
The Xeno that Vasquez shot in the head flailed wildly and probably died shortly afterwards, humans can do similar feats.
The lead feat is a little weird, because trying to swim or leap out of lead is...Basically nonsensical from a physics standpoint. Outliers exist in all fictions and you have to point them out when they pop up.
The Facehugger 'healed' a small incision that frankly is so small that you never get a good look at the same knuckle again, and given that it DIED afterwards lets just say their regeneration is flawed at best. XD
All of the Xenos in Aliens for example were hit by 10mm explosive rounds that caused them to violently burst from the internal detonations, I reckon they basically all were put down for good.
If we include AVP content (which is of course inconsistent at best), the two Xenos stated to have high amounts of regen is the Runner and the Predalien.

 

[IndyFront]

Regrowing limbs isn't outrageous because limbs don't contain vital organs. The Xenomorph's internal organs seem relatively similar to humans, torso/headshots put them down.
The Xeno that Vasquez shot in the head flailed wildly and probably died shortly afterwards, humans can do similar feats.
The lead feat is a little weird, because trying to swim or leap out of lead is...Basically nonsensical from a physics standpoint. Outliers exist in all fictions and you have to point them out when they pop up.
The Facehugger 'healed' a small incision that frankly is so small that you never get a good look at the same knuckle again, and given that it DIED afterwards lets just say their regeneration is flawed at best. XD
All of the Xenos in Aliens for example were hit by 10mm explosive rounds that caused them to violently burst from the internal detonations, I reckon they basically all were put down for good.
If we include AVP content (which is of course inconsistent at best), the two Xenos stated to have high amounts of regen is the Runner and the Predalien.

Agreed for the most part, but considering the facehugger healed within seconds (remember, it took them a mere 15 seconds or so to visit all three decks of the ship the thing bled through, and by that time it had stopped) and didn't come off until several scenes later, I think it's highly improbable it died from being cut with a laser

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Agreed for the most part, but considering the facehugger healed within seconds (remember, it took them a mere 15 seconds or so to visit all three decks of the ship the thing bled through, and by that time it had stopped) and didn't come off until several scenes later, I think it's highly improbable it died from being cut with a laser

You can chalk that up to continuity error and I don't believe we get a good view up close of the facehugger after it gets cut, and it certainly took them a lot longer than 15 seconds to get to all the decks and back up to the medical room. XD

 

[IndyFront]

You can chalk that up to continuity error and I don't believe we get a good view up close of the facehugger after it gets cut, and it certainly took them a lot longer than 15 seconds to get to all the decks and back up to the medical room. XD

I can't remember the exact timeframe xD, I know it took them like 15-30 seconds though or something like that

Edit: From :39 when Dallas exits the med lab to 1:27 when Ripley says "it looks like its stopping" So about 50 seconds it takes for it to heal from an incision/injury according to Alien.