And so it begins....

[AnimalNoodles]

The foundation for Zimbabwe style land seizures are being laid. The post-left has long desired the destruction of the white rural powerbase.

Step 1: Purchase of lands on the public market in order to grant them to aspiring black farmers......

Black farmers have been robbed of land. A new bill would give them a "quantum leap" toward justice.

"This is the Black Farmers Civil Rights Act of 2020, and it's long overdue."

www.motherjones.com

 

[Rocinante]

So the government wants to take our tax dollars, use it to buy land, and give that land to black people, for no reason other than the fact that they're black...

They literally want to take from us, and redistribute out to black people. Just for being black.

That sounds kinda racist.

Also to play on that Rick and Morty quote: that sounds like reparations with extra steps

 

[Arch Dornan]

Time for the United States of Zimbabwe?

What will they do with the farm equipment?

 

[Husky_Khan]

The worst part is that none of us will see this coming...

Oh wait...

 

[Deleted member]

I fully support this legislation as a necessary and critical step in creating a black yeomanry to counteract the negative effects of the ghettos. We had land grants for decades, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this and the claim it’s somehow linked to land seizures isn’t remotely supported.

 

[GoldRanger]

I fully support this legislation as a necessary and critical step in creating a black yeomanry to counteract the negative effects of the ghettos. We had land grants for decades, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this and the claim it’s somehow linked to land seizures isn’t remotely supported.

Or, and bear with me on this one, how about NOT having skin-color-based policies? Like, at all?

 

[Xilizhra]

I fully support this legislation as a necessary and critical step in creating a black yeomanry to counteract the negative effects of the ghettos. We had land grants for decades, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this and the claim it’s somehow linked to land seizures isn’t remotely supported.

Is this based on roughly the same principle that the Jewish people need their own nation-state to generally bolster their bargaining position worldwide?

 

[Arch Dornan]

I fully support this legislation as a necessary and critical step in creating a black yeomanry to counteract the negative effects of the ghettos. We had land grants for decades, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this and the claim it’s somehow linked to land seizures isn’t remotely supported.

You can trust the government to fuck up a good intentioned idea.

 

[Marduk]

A sense of self-righteous JUSTICE!!! is one hell of a drug.
Now good luck passing that through the senate.

I fully support this legislation as a necessary and critical step in creating a black yeomanry to counteract the negative effects of the ghettos. We had land grants for decades, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this and the claim it’s somehow linked to land seizures isn’t remotely supported.

Yeah, its not land seizures. However, it does sound like something straight out of South Africa, which doesn't have land seizures *yet*, but is not too far off from having them.

There are 2 other problems with this:
1. It is open racial discrimination in government giveaway of valuable property. I'm absolutely sure there are also types of business in ownership of which, for a change, white people are underrepresented. Are they going to get the same favor? We both know the answer.
2. This isn't a grant of undeveloped federal land like in the old days. And even if it was, doing it in a racially discriminatory way like this would still feed the racial tensions seen now.

 

[Deleted member]

Or, and bear with me on this one, how about NOT having skin-color-based policies? Like, at all?

Which sounds nice until you consider the objective fact of different levels outcomes based on grouping by skin colour, which means as a point of objective fact it has to matter for some reason, whatever that reason is.

Is this based on roughly the same principle that the Jewish people need their own nation-state to generally bolster their bargaining position worldwide?

I think African-American urban living in the US is an apocalyptic disaster of failed left-wing urban planning and the only way to get them out of that trap is to remove the entire schema of being urban power. White people moved west and farmsteaded, black people should do the same. This will require the same government support white farmsteading did. It will in the long term increase the black voice in governance but that’s not the reason to implement it in the short term.

You can trust the government to fuck up a good intentioned idea.

Well, sure, we’ve failed to deal with the bleeding wound of slavery on this country for 250 years and there’s every chance we’ll keep failing but at least this idea moves in vaguely the right direction.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Well, sure, we’ve failed to deal with the bleeding wound of slavery on this country for 250 years and there’s every chance we’ll keep failing but at least this idea moves in vaguely the right direction.

I'm sure while opportunists will use it to make a profit.

 

[Deleted member]

A sense of self-righteous JUSTICE!!! is one hell of a drug.
Now good luck passing that through the senate.

Yeah, its not land seizures. However, it does sound like something straight out of South Africa, which doesn't have land seizures *yet*, but is not too far off from having them.

There are 2 other problems with this:
1. It is open racial discrimination in government giveaway of valuable property. I'm absolutely sure there are also types of business in ownership of which, for a change, white people are underrepresented. Are they going to get the same favor? We both know the answer.
2. This isn't a grant of undeveloped federal land like in the old days. And even if it was, doing it in a racially discriminatory way like this would still feed the racial tensions seen now.

Your arguments don’t hold water in the context of a country, the USA, where it is literally a point of law that the government shows preference in the awarding of contracts to minority owned businesses. We are doing something here that is far more likely to be effective—teaching a man to fish in a one-time deal to create wealth and prosperity for a family.

Of course I would like it to come with a requirement for a stable marriage. But those are policy details and it was fronted by democrats so what do you expect?

 

[Rocinante]

I fully support this legislation as a necessary and critical step in creating a black yeomanry to counteract the negative effects of the ghettos. We had land grants for decades, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this and the claim it’s somehow linked to land seizures isn’t remotely supported.

If you want to help poor black people, you pass non-skin color based policies aimed at helping POOR PEOPLE. No skin color involved.

And guess what? While managing to not be racist, it will actually disproportionately help black people, which is what you want to do. Since statistically more black people are poor, policy aimed at helping the poor regardless of race, manages to achieve your goal of helping minorities, without being one bit racist.

Policy aimed at helping the poor will disproportionately help black people because they are disproportionately poor. You can correct for that issue without racial based legislation.

 

[Arch Dornan]

The best chance was long lost when Lincoln died. I expect any policy of it to be abused to enrich a certain few with this generation.

 

[Marduk]

Your arguments don’t hold water in the context of a country, the USA, where it is literally a point of law that the government shows preference in the awarding of contracts to minority owned businesses.

Yeah, that probably should stop in general. Great demonstration of the camel's nose principle.

We are doing something here that is far more likely to be effective—teaching a man to fish in a one-time deal to create wealth and prosperity for a family.

It is not limited to new farmers nor to people who lack prosperity to begin with, so if that was the point, the requirements are structured wrong.

It also assumes that the bulk of people who volunteer for free property are going to do so with both willingness and ability to run a successful agricultural business in XXI century, which is quite a greater challenge than doing the same was in, say, XIX century. And that sounds like something no one would bet on.
And in the cases where this pessimistic prediction holds, there will be lots of bankruptcies, scams and permanent "farmer" class dependent on pro-minority government's continuing favor in long term, including such governments being in power.
See: South Africa.

 

[Arch Dornan]

And in the cases where this pessimistic prediction holds, there will be lots of bankruptcies, scams and permanent "farmer" class dependent on pro-minority government's continuing favor in long term, including such governments being in power.
See: South Africa.

Count on it. I know it in my guts.

 

[GoldRanger]

Is this based on roughly the same principle that the Jewish people need their own nation-state to generally bolster their bargaining position worldwide?

The Jewish people absolutely need their own nation state, as, in my opinion, does every national group. This has nothing to do with "bolstering a bargaining position" through.

 

[GoldRanger]

Which sounds nice until you consider the objective fact of different levels outcomes based on grouping by skin colour, which means as a point of objective fact it has to matter for some reason, whatever that reason is.

There are a lot of factors that correlate with poverty, skin colors being just one of them. How about the government acts against poverty directly? It will end up affecting black people more than other populations anyway, while not disenfranchising others for accidents of birth not under their control.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

I fully support this legislation as a necessary and critical step in creating a black yeomanry to counteract the negative effects of the ghettos. We had land grants for decades, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this and the claim it’s somehow linked to land seizures isn’t remotely supported.

And what happens if people dont want to sell their land? It *starts* as purchasing land. It ends with seizures. The goal here is to break up the white rural culture and powerbase. There is no vast desire among blacks to become farmers, and no historical claims to the land.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

And in the cases where this pessimistic prediction holds, there will be lots of bankruptcies, scams and permanent "farmer" class dependent on pro-minority government's continuing favor in long term, including such governments being in power.
See: South Africa.

The real objective to is further concentrate agriculture into vast corporate latifundia while forcing the white rural deplorables into the cities, thus destroying their culture, way of life and electoral power. Think of it as something akin to the deliberate destruction of the bison as a strategy to defeat the indians.