United States Anti-Semitism in the United States (and elsewhere)

It is worth pointing out that until the rise of the Nazis, German Jews were the most integrated and assimilated in Europe. It did nothing to prevent anti-semitism from climaxing the way it did, because the Nazis simply pointed to assimilation as infiltration and subversion.

Basically, don't make the mistake of assuming that Nazi "logic" was ever remotely in good faith. It never, ever was.
 
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ShadowArxxy said:
It is worth pointing out that until the rise of the Nazis, German Jews were the most integrated and assimilated in Europe. It did nothing to prevent anti-semitism from climaxing the way it did, because the Nazis simply pointed to assimilation as infiltration and subversion.

Basically, don't make the mistake of assuming that Nazi "logic" was ever remotely in good faith. It never, ever was.
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German logic.Or,to be precise, protestant german logic.Before Hitler they had volkist movement which do not liked jews,and before that,Martin Luder ,after short period when he considered jews as allies against evul catholics, declared that jews should be persecuted.

But german jews really loved their country,and could not undarstandt what happened to them when germans started murdering them.
Even jews in eastern Europe liked germans - they welcomed their troops during WW1,and in 1939 i read about few cases when they welcomed with flowers not only soviets,but also germans....

P.S Kind of real life joke from Poland - out ex-nationalist and ex-antisemite who become current polish premier/Tusk/ best buddy,Roman Giertych,go to Izrael to meet Natanjahu.

Interesting why...becouse Tusk had for him secret mission? but Tusk is known german agent.So....secret mission from germans? but Tusk worked for STASI first,and they worked for KGB,so....it is secret mission from Putin?

Do not fear,i am not mad yet.dude probably want to look good...question is,what Natanjahu want from him? Giertych is important in current Poland,but - so what?
 
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ShadowArxxy said:
It is worth pointing out that until the rise of the Nazis, German Jews were the most integrated and assimilated in Europe. It did nothing to prevent anti-semitism from climaxing the way it did, because the Nazis simply pointed to assimilation as infiltration and subversion.

Basically, don't make the mistake of assuming that Nazi "logic" was ever remotely in good faith. It never, ever was.
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But was this true throughout the German Empire? Bismark's construct-empire was cobbled-together from previously independent states, some of which were Protestant, some Roman Catholic, and no doubt different in other ways.

And contrary to what ATP would like to tell you, with his "blame all the evil in the world on Prussia" mindset, the National Socialists were more Roman Catholic than Protestant. They even had a concordat with the Vatican. Hitler himself was Austrian - and that's a long way from Prussian.

As the saying goes; Austria's two greatest public relations coups were to convince the world that Mozart was Austrian, and that Hitler was German.
 
Allanon said:
Or look at it like this: if I complain here about being beat up or kicked out of every single bar I've ever been in how long would it be before someone pointed out that maybe it's my fault?
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Whatever do you mean? Obviously you've never done anything wrong ever, not once, and everyone else is at fault.

After all, you're chosen by god, and everybody else is mere cattle. <;3
 
Scottty said:
But was this true throughout the German Empire? Bismark's construct-empire was cobbled-together from previously independent states, some of which were Protestant, some Roman Catholic, and no doubt different in other ways.

And contrary to what ATP would like to tell you, with his "blame all the evil in the world on Prussia" mindset, the National Socialists were more Roman Catholic than Protestant. They even had a concordat with the Vatican. Hitler himself was Austrian - and that's a long way from Prussian.

As the saying goes; Austria's two greatest public relations coups were to convince the world that Mozart was Austrian, and that Hitler was German.
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SoliFortissimi said:
I "love" how conversation about the attack on the Governor died off the moment it was revealed to be a Pro-Pali terrorist.

Elite Democrats continue their toxic, abusive relationship with their base like any good battered wife.
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Well as long as they have the unspoken rule that people from specific "protected classes" should be immune to criticism or accountability, their ideology will be toxic.
 
Scottty said:
But was this true throughout the German Empire? Bismark's construct-empire was cobbled-together from previously independent states, some of which were Protestant, some Roman Catholic, and no doubt different in other ways.
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yet it made prussia decide what other germans could do.And lead them to WW1,which they lost thanks to prussian stupidity.
Scottty said:
And contrary to what ATP would like to tell you, with his "blame all the evil in the world on Prussia" mindset, the National Socialists were more Roman Catholic than Protestant. They even had a concordat with the Vatican. Hitler himself was Austrian - and that's a long way from Prussian.
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Which he broken many times.Sending german priests to prison before WW2 for faked crimes.And was condemned by pope in 1937.Which never happened to any prussian ruler.
Scottty said:
As the saying goes; Austria's two greatest public relations coups were to convince the world that Mozart was Austrian, and that Hitler was German.
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For what hitler fought, german IV Reich,or austrian HRE ?
If he really was austrian,he would support Habsburgs.

@Marduk ,i am suprised that you are suprised about comrade colonel Putin.Thanks to him Sun raise every day,did you forget that?

Jokes aside - Merry Easter !
 
Some history - 6.4.1944 germans raided jewish orphanage in french village Izieu lead by Miron Zlatin,and send 7 teachers and 44 children to Auschwitz.Only 1 children survived.
French do not risked their families lives if they help jews,but in that case french authorities helped germans.

Chaim Rumkowski /leader of getto in Łódź/ helped germans not only making uniforms,but even luxury clothes.Then he send part of population to death camps,then rest...and finally he was killed in Auschwitz,too.

P.S Here,funny case - socialists in Warsaw,including jews,made pogroms of brothers in Warsaw between 24-26.5.1905,destroing all brothers belonging mainly to jews,and killing about 20 owners.
Nobody want remember that,wonder why?

Here,wiki - they downplayed number of victims.
 
Scottty said:
And contrary to what ATP would like to tell you, with his "blame all the evil in the world on Prussia" mindset, the National Socialists were more Roman Catholic than Protestant. They even had a concordat with the Vatican. Hitler himself was Austrian - and that's a long way from Prussian.
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Concordat is just a specific technical term for treaties between the Vatican and a nation, since the Vatican technically isn't a nation-state. Having a concordat does not mean a nation has any special partnership with Roman Catholicism; there are concordats with almost every nation, with the notable exception of the United States.

(In the case of the Third Reich, the concordat was significant due to the politics surrounding it, but it still didn't make Nazi Germany a "Catholic state" by any means.)
 
ShadowArxxy said:
Concordat is just a specific technical term for treaties between the Vatican and a nation, since the Vatican technically isn't a nation-state. Having a concordat does not mean a nation has any special partnership with Roman Catholicism; there are concordats with almost every nation, with the notable exception of the United States.

(In the case of the Third Reich, the concordat was significant due to the politics surrounding it, but it still didn't make Nazi Germany a "Catholic state" by any means.)
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Two things why don’t you consider the Vatican a nation state?

Second why don’t we have a concordat with them?
 
King Arts said:
Two things why don’t you consider the Vatican a nation state?

Second why don’t we have a concordat with them?
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I mean the Nazis had one because Mussilini was in control of the Vatican at that point, maybe not directly but did have control over it.
So it was more of a gesture for the Italian leader more then anything.

And because the Vatican js the Papal state. It isn't a nation, it is a city that is used as the head of a religion
 
King Arts said:
Two things why don’t you consider the Vatican a nation state?
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The Vatican itself is the origin of the term "concordat", so the distinction is one they draw themselves: the Holy See is both a spiritual and administrative body, and as such is distinct from a secular nation.


King Arts said:
Second why don’t we have a concordat with them?
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Primarily, the Holy See has not actively sought a concordat because the Bill of Rights' broad guarantee of religious freedom allows the Catholic Church to exist in the United States without a specific agreement.

Secondarily, the U.S. has a history of strong passive, and sometimes active, hostility to Catholicism despite said promise of religious freedom. In fact, the United States cut diplomatic relations with the Holy See for over a century for no actual reason at all.

In 1867, Congress passed a law specifically barring any funding for diplomatic relations with the Holy See; this was done to cater to the massive surge of anti-Catholic sentiment in the United States after the assassination of President Lincoln, even though it was proven in court that the Church had absolutely nothing to do with the Lincoln assassination. Subsequent Presidents got around that law by designating personal -- as opposed to diplomatic -- envoys to the Vatican, but the United States maintained a policy of diplomatic hostility towards the Holy See until 1984.

(President Truman attempted to open diplomatic relations in 1951, but was forced to back down after massive protests by American Protestant groups.)
 
Dauerschriff said:
Since 30 years (mid 90s) Switzerland opened itself to foreign influence, slowly disarming, joining the UN, and accepting non europeans (once mostly Austrian and Bavarian) emigrants as citizens.
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What was driving that abandonment of national identity?
 
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