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Vetrom said:
Bullpups are more useful in certain specific situations. However, the tradeoffs they make to reduce overall length tend to be a net negative in generalist use.

I would specifically call out:
  • Longer trigger linkage complicating design, maintenance, and longevity. Technologically, soultions (say a reliable solenoid trigger or electrical primer) could mitigate this if they're bulletproof(heh) enough.
  • Gas system operating closer to user's face increases long term health risks from propellant and byproduct
  • In field use, dealing with varying shooting positions and malfunction clearing can be more problematic. I am not 100% sure on this one, is this as much of an issue on modern bullpup patterns?
Solving the trigger issue, in the U.S. as least, is difficult due to the regulatory climate. The other two issues I'm not sure can be solved at the design and physical level, not within the design of semiautomatic gas or recoil driven firearms anyway.

All that said, if you want to shorten overall weapon length and dont care as much about the other concerns, the bullpup is a clever and useful engineering solution.
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So caseless or binary propellant bullets are a good idea as a bullpup?

You had caseless rounds so there was no need for an ejection port, except for the one on the bottom in case you had a dud round.

In BP Bullets you inject two chemicals that when combined become explosive. A spark like in a car engine can ignite the mixture and send the bullet on it's way.
 
Typhonis said:
So caseless or binary propellant bullets are a good idea as a bullpup?

You had caseless rounds so there was no need for an ejection port, except for the one on the bottom in case you had a dud round.

In BP Bullets you inject two chemicals that when combined become explosive. A spark like in a car engine can ignite the mixture and send the bullet on it's way.
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Something like what Heckler and Koch attempted with the G11 rifle in the 1980s?

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Heckler & Koch G11 - Wikipedia

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Here's a video demonstrating the loading and firing procedure.





The rifle had a special 3-round burst mechanism with an ROF of about 2100 rounds per minute. The concept was to allow a quick 3 round accurate burst on target before the soldier's accuracy would be affected by felt recoil from the weapon.


About 1000 of these were supposedly made before production ceased, mainly due to the end of the Cold War. Which is unfortunate as it does appear to be quite an interesting weapon. There was also an experimental concept that H&K was also experimenting with, an LMG variant of the G11, but never produced. The one concept photo I saw showed it would have been longer than the G11, with the caseless ammo, instead of a "strip", would have been contained in a sort of ammo box loaded from the rear of the LMG by folding down/away the buttstock.
 
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Typhonis said:
So caseless or binary propellant bullets are a good idea as a bullpup?
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Honestly, just polymer telescoped cased rounds (the ones that are cylinders) are perfectly fine. Steyr got them to work back in the late 1980s in the ACR.

The vertically moving chamber enables the new round being loaded to push out the one in the chamber, which eliminates a bunch of firearm malfunctions.
 
Two landmark cases in Colombians Crime History.

From 2018...

colombiareports.com

Alleged robbers' antique gun possibly worth more than what they wanted to steal

Police in Colombia have arrested two men whose antique gun could be worth more than the inventory of the shop they were allegedly trying to rob. The two men were…
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and 2021...

www.newsweek.com

Mugger Unknowingly Uses Nazi Handgun to Rob Victims, Gets Arrested

Colombian media reported that the weapon, a collector's item, was in good condition despite its age.
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At first I thought they were the same story but no, they were different incidents of common criminals somehow coming into possession of pre-WW2 era Luger P08 Pistols and attempting to use them in robbing convenience stores or mugging people. Each time the pistol was apparently in working condition and likely worth over $20,000 to Collectors.
 
Husky_Khan said:
Two landmark cases in Colombians Crime History.

From 2018...

colombiareports.com

Alleged robbers' antique gun possibly worth more than what they wanted to steal

Police in Colombia have arrested two men whose antique gun could be worth more than the inventory of the shop they were allegedly trying to rob. The two men were…
colombiareports.com colombiareports.com

and 2021...

www.newsweek.com

Mugger Unknowingly Uses Nazi Handgun to Rob Victims, Gets Arrested

Colombian media reported that the weapon, a collector's item, was in good condition despite its age.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com

At first I thought they were the same story but no, they were different incidents of common criminals somehow coming into possession of pre-WW2 era Luger P08 Pistols and attempting to use them in robbing convenience stores or mugging people. Each time the pistol was apparently in working condition and likely worth over $20,000 to Collectors.
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Idiots.Why they do not sell it?
Unless they stolen it,too.
I read in Darwin award book about dude who stolen Colt 1911 from some VV2 veteran, go to shop,tried to kill clerk,but ammo was old,too,so not wotked at once.
He then say what the fuck,and look at barrel.Then it schoot killing him.
Entire thing was supposed to be filmed on camera there.
 
ATP said:
Idiots.Why they do not sell it?
Unless they stolen it,too.
I read in Darwin award book about dude who stolen Colt 1911 from some VV2 veteran, go to shop,tried to kill clerk,but ammo was old,too,so not wotked at once.
He then say what the fuck,and look at barrel.Then it schoot killing him.
Entire thing was supposed to be filmed on camera there.
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Nothing beats that idiot who, only knowing about guns from attitude movies, fired an exceptionally powerful handgun...holding it sideways.

Now it's been a long time, but in biology I seem to remember that the human arm bends a certain way so...
 
Allanon said:
Nothing beats that idiot who, only knowing about guns from attitude movies, fired an exceptionally powerful handgun...holding it sideways.

Now it's been a long time, but in biology I seem to remember that the human arm bends a certain way so...
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I can't imagine such usage causing any serious harm, the gun is still going to recoil up or to the left (assuming a right hander).
If it did any damage firing it sideways, it was probably going to hurt real bad firing it normally anyways.
Guessing .500SW or .50AE?
 
PsihoKekec said:
There are many video compilations of people firing desert eagle for the first time...
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To my knowledge, the Desert Eagle is a top tier gun but is difficult or expensive or both to mantain.
If I wanted a firearm, I need only few things : reliability, no history of jamming, no over-engineered stuff and easy way to acquire ammunition.
I could go with a bow but will have to learn but that takes only so far.
 
Easy.
Use smaller calibers like 9 or 380 or 45.
Glock is reliable I personally distrust as I am a surplus guy.
 
www.thefirearmblog.com

Croatian RT-20 Anti-Materiel Rifle -

In this article, we'll take a look at the Croatian RT-20 anti-materiel rifle. This 20mm rifle has a rather unique design which allows it to mitigate the recoil of the powerful 20x110mm cartridge.
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