Culture Civil Service, Public Sector Unions and Political Impact

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Easily rectified outlaw public service unions completely. As a bonus you'll make public schools viable again as incompetant teachers can be fired.
Unless you figure out a way to also give employees more power in the workplace (which I have some ideas on), that will just create different problems.
 

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Unless you figure out a way to also give employees more power in the workplace (which I have some ideas on), that will just create different problems.
Easy don't work for them. There's other jobs don't like the terms don't take the job.
 

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Easy don't work for them. There's other jobs don't like the terms don't take the job.
I actually agree, but the issue arises from the fact that quitting your job, or even just taking the time to pick and choose it, really isn't an option for most people; due to a combination of factors including having a narrow skill set, potentially being blacklisted in the marketplace by a spurned employer, lack of funds to afford the downtime necessary to find a new job, et cetera, et cetera.

This is one of the reasons I support the idea of a Universal Basic Income, or at least one particular form of it; because it would give workers the power to quit or refuse a job whenever they felt they were being treated unfairly, without having to worry about if they'll lose everything in doing so.
 

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I actually agree, but the issue arises from the fact that quitting your job, or even just taking the time to pick and choose it, really isn't an option for most people; due to a combination of factors including having a narrow skill set, potentially being blacklisted in the marketplace by a spurned employer, lack of funds to afford the downtime necessary to find a new job, et cetera, et cetera.

This is one of the reasons I support the idea of a Universal Basic Income, or at least one particular form of it; because it would give workers the power to quit or refuse a job whenever they felt they were being treated unfairly, without having to worry about if they'll lose everything in doing so.
It's gonna piss you off but all of that is an excuse. That's all I'm going to say as we have wildly different expectations of folks.
 

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It's gonna piss you off but all of that is an excuse. That's all I'm going to say as we have wildly different expectations of folks.
No worries; I am well aware that we have totally different perspectives, and I would not have it any other way. How else am I going to develop a deeper understanding of what I believe, if I fail to interact with people who don't think as I do, and challenge me to defend my position? It's not a fun process, but true self-improvement rarely is.
 

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Unless you figure out a way to also give employees more power in the workplace (which I have some ideas on), that will just create different problems.

Being a civil servant should be seen as a patriotic duty that you will be happy to leave and return to the private sector whenever your services are no longer required.
 

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Nobody forces you to become a civil servant.
Would be wrong if I think government and military positions should be as “rewarding” as Starship Troopers?

Like I recall even in the books, civilians don’t consider becoming a citizen “worth it” and politics’ not much compared to becoming a businessman

Has to be a rewardless-duty that by the end ONLY takes in those capable and truly willing and wanting that sort of “duty” without care for power or fame

A duty requiring immense discipline to properly channel one’s violent instincts.....even voting is a duty
 

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Would be wrong if I think government and military positions should be as “rewarding” as Starship Troopers?

Like I recall even in the books, civilians don’t consider becoming a citizen “worth it” and politics’ not much compared to becoming a businessman

Has to be a rewardless-duty that by the end ONLY takes in those capable and truly willing and wanting that sort of “duty” without care for power or fame
Starship Troopers was based. i wouldn't mind seeing that system be implemented in real life
 

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Would be wrong if I think government and military positions should be as “rewarding” as Starship Troopers?

Like I recall even in the books, civilians don’t consider becoming a citizen “worth it” and politics’ not much compared to becoming a businessman

Has to be a rewardless-duty that by the end ONLY takes in those capable and truly willing and wanting that sort of “duty” without care for power or fame

No. What I think is that being in the civil service is a privilege of serving your country out of patriotism and honour, which frequently gets paid much worse than the private sector, but gives you a lot of authority. It is a position that should attract respectable, judicious, competent people who want to do what is right for their nation, and who have the attitude "if my services are no longer needed, I will return to the private sector".

That's the ideal. Are there specific fields where, because of policies, we have created an entire class of people dependent on the government? Yes, certainly, that's true of teachers. But in general the civil service should be as small as possible to accomplish the needs of the country, or one of the diuvers states, and should be accountable to the legislature thereof.
 

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But in general the civil service should be as small as possible to accomplish the needs of the country, or one of the diuvers states, and should be accountable to the legislature thereof.
In theory, governments are supposed to be a representative of the people and way to get things done as a sort of “third party”

But I think guys in the “government” eventually alongside their organizations come to exist only for themselves and are almost seperate from the people they are supposed to serve

And one way of keeping power, whether they realize it or not, is to have many people on your side or in your organization.....civil service or governments should be in theory the most competent and the best and reasonable.....you will forget they are human too much

The cop who got this guy killed was a human himself.

This is a career, NOT a duty
 

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And if you're not going to offer people anything as compensation for becoming one, other than fulfilling some nebulous sense of "patriotic duty", nobody will; unless you force them to.
Or people who really want bribes, or power. Either way people you probably don’t want doing it.
 
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