Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Is that what China is leaning towards?
Commentary on the current affairs of The Sietch
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LifeisTiresome
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It used to be that way. Now they use it for everything.
Also, the left imo have betrayed what it means to be left by white knighting for the corporations. They give them blowjobs and protect them from criticism.
Absolutely. Alt accounts are a bad idea. It puts the idea into your head of mods doing shenanigans as you say.
Sol Zagato
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I think China could be accurately described as a fascist state, or something close to it, after 1979. They're sure as hell not actually communist any more.
LifeisTiresome
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Has any so called Communist state actually followed communist ideals? I mean the meme of "That isn't real communism" exists and is stated by communists.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
It was confusing when PunchCardGirl deleted her account. Turns out it was actually Zoe.
That was weird. Not outraged about it however.
A state that's constantly evolving like the Roman Republic to an Empire. Something I would like to see in a simulation. Wouldn't have the heart to subject real people to terrible situations.
Sol Zagato
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There's a lot of countries that were 'working towards Communism'. In the Soviet model, the country was one giant company town and there was enormous promotion of Communist ideals and state socialism in every day life.
China is doing something much different, using state-business cooperation, predatory mercantilism and ultranationalism.
This is getting to be a derail. Get back to the topic.
To butcher a phrase from Saladin in Kingdom of Heaven...
None of them.
*beat*
All of them.
Kinda superficially similar to all the Nazi accusations.
Harlock
I should have expected that really
Pretty much, I wasn't hugely active and don't really share many of the views that the US Conservatives have plus I left that PM stuff when it became more an aggravation. Yet because I didn't condemn them or make some sort of grovelling apology then I must be equal to the worst people involved.
It is ironic, I left that PM because it wasn't really my community. And yet here I am right back in that same community
My thoughts on that are complex, but Zoe took a big risk making this place so I'll back her on it. Loyalty means more to me than politics, and for whatever else you care to say the people here haven't slandered me, attacked me or driven me out with their toxic nature.So here I am, there's not really anywhere else for me to be.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Vatnik
Just want to say that remembering why this forum came into existance is good and we should always be wary of attempts by the lefty puritans to shut us down. But we must not let the bitterness of what has happened become our defining trait. Mistakes were made at the start, more mistakes will be made, learn from them and move on. This place is meant for free discussions, fandom and fiction, let's keep it that way. Sure, political bile will always be present as we cant divorce ourselves from the world, but we can prevent it from becoming central theme. Afterall this place is still going through birthing pains, upheavals are expected.
If the Admins feel like "doing shenanigans" then they have zero need for alt accounts. Considering that 1) the mods didn't/don't know what accounts are alts, 2) alt accounts are infracted just like any other user account, and 3) alt accounts lack the cachet that comes with the staff/admin banner; the community is probably better served by their use than they are without them being used.
TS exists to be a place where everyone* is free to express whatever views they feel like without fear of official sanction.
Did @Zoe make mistakes? Yes, absolutely. She made it way too easy to link her alt account with her official account, didn't create a fake identity to be the official "owner", and then (drunkenly) overreacted to this whole fiasco. Does that change the fact that Isal'Zha used her privileged access to SB and SV to doxx her or that others who she was acquainted with in real life attempted to blackmail her (using her gender identity of all things as the blackmail material)? No, it does not.
That being said, this is all an utterly pointless waste of time and effort. We could (officially) shut down all the "alt" accounts but nothing would stop the Admins from creating new ones and just practicing proper op-sec this time around. The other Admins would be the only ones with the access required to detect the alts.
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Infractions are public, punishments are public, and appeals are public. As are threads in the Questions, Comments, & Concerns area. In other words, all official staff actions involving interaction with the general user base are already public and are already done via the official staff accounts.
Atreus
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I don't think that means what you think it means.
Pointing out that someone sounds a lot like someone else using their online nom de plume is not at all the equivalent of doxxing, and from what I've gathered lurking on the other splinter boards, it was painfully obvious to anyone that went back to the old SDN era. Fringe views, monarchist larping.... Shooting fish in an incredibly small barrel. Also, simply not what doxxing is at all. Internet anonymity was unbroken.
So, high horse. Dismount.
Given the same could be said about Rufus Shinra and an accusation of 'doxxing' on SB in the Conservative PM, that got a member temp banned for a year, it seems that the standard for 'doxxing' can change to suite the narrative one wants to advance.
Taking public statements another poster had repeatedly made and using them to draw a conclusion about them also isn't doxing, but the SB staff decided it was and handed out punishments accordingly. They don't get to revert back to and be judged by the actual definition as soon as it's convenient for them.
So, your smug attitude. Can it.
Atreus
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Did that conservative PM member link to another online alias of Rufus? Or did they link to Rufus' actual real life name and/or information?
Yes, but sietch staff have, as far as I'm aware, declared that it was not doxing, thus if you say the SB folks cant say it isnt a dox, Sietch folks subsequently can't say it is.
Neither, from what I know of the situation; they just used info from Rufus's public posts to connect the dots, so to speak. Rufus wasn't exactly shy about posting personal info on SB.
Sb staff say Rufas was doxed, thus, this situation which you consider comparable is a dox and therefore Sb people cannot say this situation is not a dox without compromising the statement "rufas was doxed"
Logically stemming from that, the Sietch, which holds Rufas was not doxed, this situation which you consider comparable is not a dox following logically, and thus Sietch people cannot call it a dox for the same reason Sb people cannot say it was not a dox, because they would compromise the statement "rufas was not doxed"
That's the point Master of the Obvious. Glad you finally caught up.
I don't think Zoe herself ever used the term doxx anyways. Everyone else here is using the SB definitional term. Which implies SB admins are cool with their definition of doxxing.
Judging an SB Admin under the same standards that said Admin uses to judge others on SB is perfectly acceptable.
Was either incident actually doxxing? No.
Was the Rufus incident doxxing under SB's standards? Apparently.
Under the SB standards, were Isal'Zha's actions "doxxing"? Yes.
Actually, Isal'Zha's actions come closer to true doxxing given that she correlated non public information across multiple sites to get the information that she used and provided while 42 did nothing but repost information that Rufus publicly (and repeatedly) posted on SB.
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