Confederate Flags banned in the Military

[Free-Stater 101]

Honestly it’s what the citizens deserve. In fact it’s better than they deserve.

Who are you to pass judgement on your every fellow American? This 'Go to hell more room in heaven for me!' attitude your giving off is beyond stupid.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I just want to know what the line in the sand is for Bacle and others. They apparently have one but haven't been able to substantiate how that line or hill or other vapid moniker would somehow be better to die on defend and how they'd go about defending said hill considering the current complete rout in the Culture War going on over... pretty much everything.

Maybe it is the fact that I deal with the government often but malicious compliance is an actual tool. Also regarding flags, what if a soldier has the Mississippi state flag, they didnt ban that.

Oh wait.

It seems more and more people in the GOP leadership are waking up to the fact the Confederate flag and what it represents is not cherished or honored by most of the country. The seem to be realizing that this is not a hill worth dying on.

ZING!

So much for that example of Malicious Compliance! I'm still waiting to see Bacle's brilliant counter strategy though. It probably involves the term 'paradigm shifting' or 'winning hearts and minds' or some such.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Who are you to pass judgement on every American This 'Go to hell more room in heaven for me!' attitude your giving off is beyond stupid.

My attitude is one of resigned dismay and disgust. “Conservatives” are just licking the left’s boots now and asking “how much more can I do?” while being stomped on and apologizing for not being stomped hard enough.

This country is lost. It’s a wretched ugly diseased overwrought creature out of hell itself.

And America is definitely going to hell. Not every American, but most. On Judgement Day I expect America the nation to be on the left hand. And to get the doom it so righteously warrants.

A small remnant of the righteous remain.

But prophets are never accepted in their home towns.

Look forward to BLM/Antifa rule.

 

[Bacle]

I just want to know what the line in the sand is for Bacle and others. They apparently have one but haven't been able to substantiate how that line or hill or other vapid moniker would somehow be better to die on defend and how they'd go about defending said hill considering the current complete rout in the Culture War going on over... pretty much everything.





Oh wait.



ZING!

So much for that example of Malicious Compliance! I'm still waiting to see Bacle's brilliant counter strategy though. It probably involves the term 'paradigm shifting' or 'winning hearts and minds' or some such.

It involves less angry ranting that equivacates taking down and removing Confederate symbols with destruction of our nation, for one.

It also involves being able and willing understand the issue from the other side. It involves not acting like anything but uncompromising resistance is a loss. It's involves actively chasing out racists, ethno-nationalists, and blackpilled who do more harm than good.

It involves being willing to face tough truths and modern realities and adapt to them, instead of clinging to past ideology, dogma, and traditions, as though it will be enough to win in the long run.

Start by moving environmental issues back into the conservative sphere. This is a fight of baby steps and patience, not of mad rushes and knee jerk defensive stances.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Yes, “respectable conservativism”.

Where the flying flaming fuck has that gotten us?

It couldn’t be that is has bought us endless defeats and ever closer ruin, that would be dooming and blackpilling, not an honest and objective evaluation of the balance sheet, no sirree.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

SNIP

In all seriousness are you done dooming?

 

[Deleted member 88]

In all seriousness are you done dooming?

All I want is people to face the truth.

If we can’t do that, then there is no point in discussing anything at all.

If everyone wants to remain in fantasy land then I can’t stop them. I can only tell them their goose is cooked and dinner will soon be served.

Whatever, continue to play in Denial Land.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

It involves less angry ranting that equivacates taking down and removing Confederate symbols with destruction of our nation, for one.

It also involves being able and willing understand the issue from the other side. It involves not acting like anything but uncompromising resistance is a loss. It's involves actively chasing out racists, ethno-nationalists, and blackpilled who do more harm than good.

It involves being willing to face tough truths and modern realities and adapt to them, instead of clinging to past ideology, dogma, and traditions, as though it will be enough to win in the long run.

Start by moving environmental issues back into the conservative sphere. This is a fight of baby steps and patience, not of mad rushes and knee jerk defensive stances.

Because it is exactly the same thing. They want to destroy the past, it is just the first step on their way. They are like ISIS in that regard, they want to destroy all the past that doesn't accord to their beliefs.

You mean unlike them? I understand the other side, which is why I understand compromise is out the window. They aren't doing anything in good faith. And really, we have to chase the people out even more, when the opposite side does not do the same and in fact sets them out to destroy and despoil?

What modern truths? That we have a crowd of insane iconoclasts who only want to destroy the past because it triggers them? And why shouldn't we cling onto to the past? That is the whole point of conservatism, to preserve the past, or rather the things that should be preserved. And our history should be preserved.

So you mean let them destroy and despoil our history, our culture and our icons. Where has patience got us? Except to this very point?

 

[Free-Stater 101]

All I want is people to face the truth.

If we can’t do that, then there is no point in discussing anything at all.

If everyone wants to remain in fantasy land then I can’t stop them. I can only tell them their goose is cooked and dinner will soon be served.

Whatever, continue to play in fantasy land.

What fantasy are you referring to in particular?

 

[Deleted member 88]

What fantasy are you referring to in particular?

The fantasy that of appealing to our enemies?

“see we drove out all those meanie fundamentalists and southerners-won’t you join our party?”, “we accept everything you believe, and have no principles except submission to yours? But we’re nice, please vote R”.

Any human being who reads this will take this as the weakness that it is. And will be repulsed, not interested.

Bacle wants us to simply ride the left’s coattails and to appeal to his imaginary mass of citizens who might be interested in right wing politics if only there were less confederate flags.

This is a fantasy, it’s based on a fantasy of how human nature works and how politics works. It’s a fantasy in that denies current reality in favor of silly empty wish fulfillment.

Bacle and others like him in this thread have no principles, just constantly shifting goalposts of concessions given.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

And really @Bacle rather then driving these people out, I'd rather bring them in from the cold. Show them compassion and try t moderate them, try to bring them back into the light, or failing that bring them closer to a more sensible position. I'd rather help people than casting them out in the cold and letting them freeze.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Bacle and others like him in this thread have no principles, just constantly shifting goalposts of concessions given.

That's big talk coming from someone who hasn't made his own goals clear, as in what is that ideal society you seek and what realistic means are you willing to use to acquire it?

 

[Husky_Khan]

It involves less angry ranting that equivacates taking down and removing Confederate symbols with destruction of our nation, for one.

It also involves being able and willing understand the issue from the other side. It involves not acting like anything but uncompromising resistance is a loss. It's involves actively chasing out racists, ethno-nationalists, and blackpilled who do more harm than good.

It involves being willing to face tough truths and modern realities and adapt to them, instead of clinging to past ideology, dogma, and traditions, as though it will be enough to win in the long run.

Start by moving environmental issues back into the conservative sphere. This is a fight of baby steps and patience, not of mad rushes and knee jerk defensive stances.

So when I was asking about your proscriptions for solving the current iconoclasm issues devoid of platitudes I was actually expecting something besides platitudes. But that's literally everything you listed... then you brought up environmental issues.

So in short, you have a line in the sand but won't define it and you want to defend this line in the sand but have no actual idea as to actual actions that can be taken beyond word salad?

Like literally nothing you stated in this post has anything to do with the topic at hand or anything approaching substance. You'd be an amazing politician. Your smug, ignorant and great at saying a lot of good sounding nothing.

Where is your line in the said in relation to the topic at hand and what ideas do you have to prevent Leftists from crossing it since your willing to roll over on everything else and call everyone else who disagrees with you Neo-Confederates and the equivalent of Comfort Women deniers.

I've brought up numerous examples of Leftists showing they won't compromise on this issue beyond the Confederacy symbols and your idea is compromise even more! And lets work together on the environment! Kind of like how Trump worked with the Liberals on Criminal Justice Reform! That's really paying dividends now...

clinging to past ideology, dogma, and traditions, as though it will be enough to win in the long run.

I think someone missed the point of being a Conservative.

EDIT:

Actually I'm sorry... just tell me what Conservative principles your absolutely not willing to ditch for Liberal feelings? Maybe that's a better starting point. Is there anything that is an actual LINE IN THE SAND for you that is a widely regarded Conservative principle that is contrary to the Far Left?

 

[Bacle]

Because it is exactly the same thing. They want to destroy the past, it is just the first step on their way. They are like ISIS in that regard, they want to destroy all the past that doesn't accord to their beliefs.

You mean unlike them? I understand the other side, which is why I understand compromise is out the window. They aren't doing anything in good faith. And really, we have to chase the people out even more, when the opposite side does not do the same and in fact sets them out to destroy and despoil?

What modern truths? That we have a crowd of insane iconoclasts who only want to destroy the past because it triggers them? And why shouldn't we cling onto to the past? That is the whole point of conservatism, to preserve the past, or rather the things that should be preserved. And our history should be preserved.

So you mean let them destroy and despoil our history, our culture and our icons. Where has patience got us? Except to this very point?

The Confederacy is not my history, not my icons, and aren't icons of the United States either.

When they go after non-Confederate items and artifacts, people cross a line.

But there is growing bipartisan consensus that Confederate symbols and such belong in museums, not in public or in government, regardless of the current protests. Nikki Haley did the right thing when she removed the Confederate flag from the State House in NC, this is just a larger expression of that same sentiment.

It's actually because of people like Invictus and hyperspacewizard that it has taken so long to do what should have been done right after the Civil Rights Act was passed. The ghosts of the Confederacy should have been snuffed out then, and Southern Pride moved on to other parts of their society that are actually worth being proud over.

And really @Bacle rather then driving these people out, I'd rather bring them in from the cold. Show them compassion and try t moderate them, try to bring them back into the light, or failing that bring them closer to a more sensible position. I'd rather help people than casting them out in the cold and letting them freeze.

If I thought it was realistic to rehabilitate them and get them to realize they are wrong, I'd agree.

However, it is a rare person who can pull off moderating those types, and I'm not convinced that many could be moderated.

I prefer to help people instead of cast them out, but I'm not terribly concerned about saving those types. I'd rather empower and help environmental ands fiscal conservatives, rather than try to rescue racists and ethno-nationalists from themselves.

 

[Deleted member 88]

In short, for everyone-Bacle’s program is “we surrender”.

Even if he doesn’t realize it.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

In short, for everyone-Bacle’s program is “we surrender”.

Even if he doesn’t realize it.

Please stop sh*t posting, while I agree Bacles solution isn't ideal neither is the other option of fighting a stalling war that we know we aren't going to win long term either and that seems to be his point.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I’ve said my peace on this thread.

 

[Bacle]

Actually I'm sorry... just tell me what Conservative principles your absolutely not willing to ditch for Liberal feelings? Maybe that's a better starting point. Is there anything that is an actual LINE IN THE SAND for you that is a widely regarded Conservative principle that is contrary to the Far Left?

1) Stop mistaking me for a 'conservative' of the traditional sort. I'm in the GOP tent now, and probably will remain there for the rest of my life, but I am not what you think of as a 'conservative'.

2) I have lines in the sand and support some 'conservative principles', and I've even mentioned them before. So I'll restate and clarify.

A) Going after actual Confederate burials, not simply monuments; I draw a big fucking line at disturbing war graves.
B) Physically assaulting people for what they say, even if I despise what is said.
C) Attempting to destroy or invalidate the 2nd Amendment.
D) Supporting illegal immigration (Did you seriously forget what I expereinced on SB with relation to that?)
E) Supporting Planned Parenthood; Sanger was a racist and PP has killed millions of minorities.
F) Defunding cops; this is plain stupid.
G) Supporting H1-B applicants over American workers.
H) Supporting or idolizing Marx or Lenin

There are plenty of conservative positions I'm not compromising with the left about, so maybe cool your jets and remember that the GOP and Right consists of more than just 'traditional' or social conservatives now.

 

[OrigaDiscordia]

Please stop sh*t posting, while I agree Bacles solution isn't ideal neither is the other option of fighting a stalling war that we know we aren't going to win long term either and that seems to be his point.

Winning is simply a matter of not surrendering or appeasing them any longer. Half the battle at this point is that the left is going crazy that some white people simply don't want to be replaced by a foreign horde. I feel like yea we might lose but I'd rather push and see if we can win. I think it's still feasible so long as the surrender monkeys on the right stop fucking surrendering.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

What hill is worth dying on?

When Antifa commissars drag away you for re-education?

God I hate republicans. I hate their cowardice, their pathetic invertebrate back bending, I hate mainstream "conservatives" who defend nothing except their own sinecures, I hate all the damn pundits and "right leaning" politicians that try to meet the left three quarters of the way to get a favorable editorial from the NYT or response from CNN.

Get rid of confederate imagery, and American imagery will follow soon.

This just confirms something I have long suspected.

Its over. This worthless disgusting wretched country ought to have BLM rule, in fact it absolutely fucking deserves it.

You may as well lower your American flag, and report to your re education camps.

Not an American so I don't much care about the confederate issue. But I do agree with Lord Invictus that once you let leftists destroy these things, they will move on to destroy other things. Hell, they have already done so.

Instead of realizing this, you guys just capitulate and appease over and over again.

Seriously, mark my words. When all the confederate statues are gone, they will start hankering to tear down all the other statues and monuments and people like @Bacle will agree.