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The Immortal Watch Dog

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And if you think the Republicans are going to win the next election by thinning the herd via repeated exposure to a deadly virus, you're as stupid as you are ugly.

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Yes Republicans are going to have the herd thinned by a plague with a 99.6 percent survival rate. Especially by taking vaccines that have killed hundreds and sterilized thousands of young women.

Nah.
 
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Not a Rino. I'm a moderate. Somewhat right of center.
So a leftist, then. Entire modern-day political spectrum is skewed extremely left.

While COVID is not as terrible as the left likes to pretend it is, it's a 100% much worse than any side effect (real ones, not imaginary) the vaccine has, I guarantee you. This is some anti-vaxxer shit.
Which is why most health workers in Croatia are refusing or at least not taking the shots? It may not be a conspiracy, but literally everyone I've talked to in private has told me that the vaccines were rolled out too damn quick.
 

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So a leftist, then. Entire modern-day political spectrum is skewed extremely left.



Which is why most health workers in Croatia are refusing or at least not taking the shots? It may not be a conspiracy, but literally everyone I've talked to in private has told me that the vaccines were rolled out too damn quick.
Ah yes, Croatia, that model to all nations of the world :rolleyes:

Seriously? That the best you got? Virtually the entire world is begging for vaccines, death tolls from COVID are dropping like a rock for vaccinated people all over the world, but well, if a bunch of Croatians said so...
 

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So a leftist then. Entire modern-day political spectrum is skewed extremely left.



Which is why most health workers in Croatia are refusing or at least not taking the shots? It may not be a conspiracy, but literally everyone I've talked to in private has told me that the vaccines were rolled out too damn quick.
The hospital where I work is only 45% vaccinated lol
I'm actually not against vaccination, but I am vehemently against vaccine mandates.

Ah yes, Croatia, that model to all nations of the world :rolleyes:

Seriously? That the best you got? Virtually the entire world is begging for vaccines, death tolls from COVID are dropping like a rock for vaccinated people all over the world, but well, if a bunch of Croatians said so...
Death tolls in general are dropping because the new variants are less deadly.

There hasn't been a covid death in my state in the month of August.
 

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Death tolls in general are dropping because the new variants are less deadly.

There hasn't been a covid death in my state in the month of August.
Here in Israel we've been vaccinating like crazy since February, the infection rate dropped to almost nothing (but now picking back up due to variants) and with it the death rates. No people with horns or tails dropping dead and sterile on the streets so far, and we have like a 60% vaccination rate countrywide. I think there was a singular, one death actually attributed to the vaccine that caused a pulmonary failure in a high school student, which is one of the acknowledged possible side effects that's extremely rare.

Edit: oh, and we started vaccinating the elderly with a third shot, going well so far.
 

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Ah yes, Croatia, that model to all nations of the world :rolleyes:

Seriously? That the best you got? Virtually the entire world is begging for vaccines, death tolls from COVID are dropping like a rock for vaccinated people all over the world, but well, if a bunch of Croatians said so...
Better Croatia than Western Communist clusterfucks. Though we have problems with our own Communists...

And as for COVID, that depends entirely on how well vaccines cope with virus mutations. Thing is a bloody flu. And most viruses actually mutate over time to be less deadly.
 

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Better Croatia than Western Communist clusterfucks. Though we have problems with our own Communists...

And as for COVID, that depends entirely on how well vaccines cope with virus mutations. Thing is a bloody flu.
You have a decent country, I did not intend to imply otherwise, but I don't see why take it as a global example.

The vaccines don't cope that well with some of the variants, but they're better than nothing. And it's not a flu, but it is a virus.
 

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The vaccines don't cope that well with some of the variants, but they're better than nothing. And it's not a flu, but it is a virus.
What I meant to say is that it mutates quickly. So any vaccine will have limited effectiveness. And I have concerns about how well mRNA and similar vaccines will work - a strand of RNA is a strand of RNA, not a virus, and mRNA vaccines are a new technology. Though I think the main reason why people here are refusing to get vaccinated is because politicians are insisting they do get vaccinated: nobody with a brain will trust anything said by a Croatian politician. Or any politician, from what I have seen in the US and Western Europe.

EDIT: Personally, I am waiting for a traditional (whole virus) vaccine, or maybe a protein subunit vaccine.
 
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Honest, don't get the vaccine stuff. People who are worried can get it and people who are not can choose to not. The whole kerfuffle with people bothering with what others do is kinda frustrating.
Exactly. I think the vaccines are great to have around, but I'm not vaccinated because I decided to take a "wait and see" approach. During that time I have watched a massive attack campaign and mandates roll out. Now I don't want to get it because fuck you. (obviously not you, but those in charge.)

Anyways I have been thoroughly exposed to covid twice now. Once in a small room with two positive people, for 9 hours.

Once about 9 days ago. (Got a negative test result Saturday) and on that one we ate and drank after each other and were in a car with closed windows.

In the very beginning of this when COVID was still a right wing conspiracy theory, I got sick AS FUCK, and I believe that was covid-19, and I believe I still have natural immunity.
 

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Honest, don't get the vaccine stuff. People who are worried can get it and people who are not can choose to not. The whole kerfuffle with people bothering with what others do is kinda frustrating.
Vaccination is now no longer a simple medical procedure, but a kind of secular globohomo version of Holy Communion. The strivers and deplorables both view taking it as a sign of your communion with the new dominant secular religion of the west.
 
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Honest, don't get the vaccine stuff. People who are worried can get it and people who are not can choose to not. The whole kerfuffle with people bothering with what others do is kinda frustrating.
Honestly, I would have preferred the upfront "you have to get vaccinated, period" to the stuff our government is pulling. Our Civil Protection HQ has been flip-flopping like a beached fish... first it is dangerous, then not, then it is; then the vaccine is not mandatory, but if you refuse it we will make your life basically unlivable. And less said about their "blind chicken" approach to countermeasures the better...

EDIT: I ended up on basically what Rocinante said:
During that time I have watched a massive attack campaign and mandates roll out. Now I don't want to get it because fuck you. (obviously not you, but those in charge.)
 

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While COVID is not as terrible as the left likes to pretend it is, it's a 100% much worse than any side effect (real ones, not imaginary) the vaccine has, I guarantee you. This is some anti-vaxxer shit.
Not if you're a young person it ain't.

Which is why most health workers in Croatia are refusing or at least not taking the shots? It may not be a conspiracy, but literally everyone I've talked to in private has told me that the vaccines were rolled out too damn quick.
Most health workers in Cuban American heavy areas straight up are calling it an attempt to slaughter certain demographics and they're openly telling their patients not to get it down here as well.

Fuck taking a needle for something that weak sauce unless you're extremely sick or frail or something.

"We need to shoot up with something that leaves young women barren wombed to own the libs" is about as right wing as letting someone fuck your wife.

Or is this another "It's not my job to educate you" moment?
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I've taken my 2 vaccine shots during the Summer. I might consider taking the 3rd booster vaccine shot someday.
 

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I've taken my 2 vaccine shots during the Summer. I might consider taking the 3rd booster vaccine shot someday.
It seems to only ravage young people and since no.one on this board is left that's under 25, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the user base has taken the needle.

Ordinarily I don't care about vaccines enough to oppose their use. Shit like innoculating against smallpox and Polio makes sense, hepatitis as well.

But this? Suspicious.
 

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The vaccine is useless. The AstraZenca and regular based ones are pretty much only good for one strain and barely at that, and the mRNA based ones are bleeding edge experimental who not only don't do shit against the variants but have been barely tested and seem to be more harm than good. The only people benefiting from it all are the manufacturers making huge bank.

If the vaxx is worth anything how come the Pfzer president didn't take his own jab? Seems a weird move for a man in his 60's who could have had it as soon as it was ready. Unless he knows something huh?
 

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The vaccine is useless. The AstraZenca and regular based ones are pretty much only good for one strain and barely at that, and the mRNA based ones are bleeding edge experimental who not only don't do shit against the variants but have been barely tested and seem to be more harm than good. The only people benefiting from it all are the manufacturers making huge bank.

If the vaxx is worth anything how come the Pfzer president didn't take his own jab? Seems a weird move for a man in his 60's who could have had it as soon as it was ready. Unless he knows something huh?
Hahaha yeah sure, tell that to all the millions of vaccinated people around the world with zero side effects and a hugely reduced number of new COVID cases.

But if someone is dead set against something, Jesus himself floating out of the sky holding a flaming sword telling you that the vaccines work won't change your mind.
 

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Hahaha yeah sure, tell that to all the millions of vaccinated people around the world with zero side effects and a hugely reduced number of new COVID cases.

But if someone is dead set against something, Jesus himself floating out of the sky holding a flaming sword telling you that the vaccines work won't change your mind.

The vaccines are not doing a good job at preventing spread. But they do tend to make you get less sick when you become infected.
 

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The vaccines are not doing a good job at preventing spread. But they do tend to make you get less sick when you become infected.
Might be the new variants, the current vaccinations are much less effective against those. Besides, what's the vaccination rate there? If there are barely any unvaccinated people left, that would explain this. Vaccines are not a 100% iron clad guarantee against infection ("only" around 98%, which with the population of a whole state means many thousands can still get sick).

Back in February-March, when the vaccines arrived in Israel, they "flattened the curve" really fucking quick, not only deaths but infection rates too. Super effective. Today, however, new cases are again skyrocketing. Variants.
 

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Might be the new variants, the current vaccinations are much less effective against those. Besides, what's the vaccination rate there? If there are barely any unvaccinated people left, that would explain this. Vaccines are not a 100% iron clad guarantee against infection ("only" around 98%, which with the population of a whole state means many thousands can still get sick).

Back in February-March, when the vaccines arrived in Israel, they "flattened the curve" really fucking quick, not only deaths but infection rates too. Super effective. Today, however, new cases are again skyrocketing. Variants.
Yes, the fact that it doesn't work well against variants is true. And we knew before the vaccine came out that coronaviruses are EXTREMELY quick to mutate.

And we also know that these variants are now the dominant strains.

At this point it's pretty much not stopping spread.
 
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