Cultural destruction and White guilt

DarthOne said:
As opposed to doing what? Just sitting back and doing nothing? Yeah, we might not be able to convince all the Far-Leftest, but we might get through to some of them and a good chunk of the moderates.

If a black man can convince people to leave the KKK by sitting down and talking to them, we can certainly do the same to the far left.

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What I'm saying is that leftists hate the West. They hate white people. They want to genocide white people just without direct violence but through other means though of course, there are those that do want to kill them directly. Anyway, these people praise Stalin despite how many people he killed! They want communism. Its not about morality. Its not about facts.

Seriously, watch Yuri Bezmenov. He will tell you outright that facts don't matter. Cause these people don't fucking care about facts. They care about narrative. Something they have control over. Facts are things that can be ignored or rewritten.

Arguing with them intellectually is pointless.
 
Yes, I know all that and I have seen that video. That's not the point.

You don't win, you don't convince people and change minds by playing safe and going for the easy options that give you certain success. You go for the long odds; the ones that require sacrifice and suffering. By showing just how much you believe in your cause and are willing to fight for it. That's what makes the world turn. By all means, know when to pick your battles, but don't just stay silent and roll over. No one ever got anywhere by sitting at home and waiting for the world to change; I'd argue that sort of thinking is what got the West into this mess.

 
DarthOne said:
Yes, I know all that and I have seen that video. That's not the point.

You don't win, you don't convince people and change minds by playing safe and going for the easy options that give you certain success. You go for the long odds; the ones that require sacrifice and suffering. By showing just how much you believe in your cause and are willing to fight for it. That's what makes the world turn. By all means, know when to pick your battles, but don't just stay silent and roll over. No one ever got anywhere by sitting at home and waiting for the world to change; I'd argue that sort of thinking is what got the West into this mess.

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My opinion on what can be done is focus on the masses aka the ordinary people who are not that politically active. They are the one's that must be convinced. Arguing with leftists needs to happen but not for the sake of changing their mind. That is a pointless task. The point is to change the mind of any audience member not yet fully indoctrinated. The leftist themselves you don't try and convince cause its futile.

While doing the above, Academia and media must either be destroyed or recaptured from the left.

Thats what needs to happen.
 
LifeisTiresome said:
My opinion on what can be done is focus on the masses aka the ordinary people who are not that politically active. They are the one's that must be convinced. Arguing with leftists needs to happen but not for the sake of changing their mind. That is a pointless task. The point is to change the mind of any audience member not yet fully indoctrinated. The leftist themselves you don't try and convince cause its futile.

While doing the above, Academia and media must either be destroyed or recaptured from the left.

Thats what needs to happen.
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...so your plan is to convince people who aren't politically active...to get involved in politics? :confused:

Okay, kidding aside, I get what your trying for. However, arguing with the far-left does have a purpose. Besides the ones I mentioned before.

1) It shows people that not only are people still willing to fight, but helps demonstrate that we aren't all Nazis or whatever when they see how we argue and what points we make.

2) it makes the far left freak out and flail around like spastic monkeys, which just makes their insanity all the clearer to everyone watching. It also makes our side more sympathetic and approachable. Look at how over-reactions to, say, Ghandi and the Civil Rights movement, swayed people onto their side.

3) it provides contrast between us and them, as well as introducing people who might not have heard the truth or the counterarguments beyond those the left vomit out.

4) the more the far left tries to shut us up, the more attention the cover-up will generate and the more we can point out their nonsense. Basically, the Streisand effect.
 
DarthOne said:
...so your plan is to convince people who aren't politically active...to get involved in politics? :confused:

Okay, kidding aside, I get what your trying for. However, arguing with the far-left does have a purpose. Besides the ones I mentioned before.

1) It shows people that not only are people still willing to fight, but helps demonstrate that we aren't all Nazis or whatever when they see how we argue and what points we make.

2) it makes the far left freak out and flail around like spastic monkeys, which just makes their insanity all the clearer to everyone watching. It also makes our side more sympathetic and approachable. Look at how over-reactions to, say, Ghandi and the Civil Rights movement, swayed people onto their side.

3) it provides contrast between us and them, as well as introducing people who might not have heard the truth or the counterarguments beyond those the left vomit out.

4) the more the far left tries to shut us up, the more attention the cover-up will generate and the more we can point out their nonsense. Basically, the Streisand effect.
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Exactly. Thats what I'm saying. Argue with them not to change their mind but to convince others.
 
LifeisTiresome said:
The West did exactly the bolded.

Once they did that, they now have to keep apologizing over and over again as showing off their submission and white guilt. As I said, once you accept wrong doing and apologize once. You create a crack that leftists will start to widen by constantly bombarding everyone about the bad things that you just admitted and creating endless deconstructions that further widen the crack until said pillar is decayed and rotten. Then it falls apart.
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I agree. One need merely look at Japan's situation re:Korea.

Just count the absurd number of Apologies Japan has made. 53 freaking apologies since 1950 and they're still not satisfied. 1 in 4 Koreans thinks Japan has never apologized at all, not having noticed the 53 times it's happened so far. Japan's paid reparations and had the Korean government yoink them from the actual victims Japan wanted to pay them to, then had the government of Korea turn around and ask where the money for the actual victims was, multiple times. Japan paid $300 million in reparations in 1965 followed by another $200 million in free credit, then started the Asian Women's fund in 1995 that raised around $45 million more that was paid to the victims directly (some of it contributions by Japanese citizens directly). Then in 2015 Japan made yet another apology, paid another $8.3 million to the victims in exchange for a treaty saying it was finally over and settled... only for Korea to tear up the treaty, keep the money, and demand even more reparations in 2018.

It's really no wonder Japan has become so nationalist and xenophobic when that's the reaction they get for apologizing and paying. Once you start doing that the demands for even more apologies and reparations never stop.
 
DarthOne said:
As opposed to doing what? Just sitting back and doing nothing? Yeah, we might not be able to convince all the Far-Leftest, but we might get through to some of them and a good chunk of the moderates.

If a black man can convince people to leave the KKK by sitting down and talking to them, we can certainly TRY to do the same to the far left.

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Most traditional KKKers are just simple petty racists without a truly systemic worldview. Thier ideals are more based on a kind of ignorance and desire for fellowship than anything. Their beliefs are mainly negative..they dislike blacks. People like this can be reasoned out of positions because they have no ideological or intellectual framework. In truth, the KKK is no real threat, and its main role is serve as linkage point, to reduce the status of dissenters by linking them to a bunch of losers.

The modern left OTOh has has a vast ideological framework with insitutional support. Most of them will never be reasoned out of thier positions even when they are literally raped, robbed or assaulted. They will return to their framework to justify the inconsistencies and double down. Their worldview is quasi religious in nature.

The fact is, the time for talk has passed. These people have won, and they have no real reason to support dialogue. They do not regard our worldview as legitimate. By all means, continue talking, but the real objective is to think systemically, to create networks, to create allies, to reject, to critique and build an alternate ideological framework.

Think less like a traditional conservative, and more like maoist.
 
LordsFire said:
"Defeat political leftism by becoming like one of their worst mass murderers."

No thanks.
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/sigh

You dont need to become a mass murderer or a communist to study his strategies and adapt them. The right thinks too much like a clausewitzian..that we are a struggle between equals and near equals, that a decisive event will happen, that terms will be offered, that we will all go home and wait for the next one.

We are not equals. We are defeated and largely without institutional power or influence. We must behave like an insurgent. We must see this struggle not as a fight between equals, but as one between profound unequals. We must view the conflict as long series of smaller things, leading to bigger things many years from now. To do this we have to create alternative frameworks that can function in a environment of oppression and opposition from the institutions. We have to learn how to use this framework to make real gains. The left has a vast literature on how to do this, so we should study it and apply it.

The losers learn from the winners.
 
AnimalNoodles said:
/sigh

You dont need to become a mass murderer or a communist to study his strategies and adapt them. The right thinks too much like a clausewitzian..that we are a struggle between equals and near equals, that a decisive event will happen, that terms will be offered, that we will all go home and wait for the next one.

We are not equals. We are defeated and largely without institutional power or influence. We must behave like an insurgent. We must see this struggle not as a fight between equals, but as one between profound unequals. We must view the conflict as long series of smaller things, leading to bigger things many years from now. To do this we have to create alternative frameworks that can function in a environment of oppression and opposition from the institutions. We have to learn how to use this framework to make real gains. The left has a vast literature on how to do this, so we should study it and apply it.

The losers learn from the winners.
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This is very different form 'think more like Mao' as a standalone statement.

Also, most of the leaders on the right are already working on changing up the thinking. Honestly, it looks like you're arguing against the pre-Trump era RINO wing of the Republican party.
 
LordsFire said:
This is very different form 'think more like Mao' as a standalone statement.

Also, most of the leaders on the right are already working on changing up the thinking. Honestly, it looks like you're arguing against the pre-Trump era RINO wing of the Republican party.
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I said "maoist" not "mao"
 
AnimalNoodles said:
Fuck that. I am not American, but I do live in a lefty area. I am not moving. Retreatism is what got us in this mess to begin with. I have purged the idiots from my life. I am a part of a network of friends and like minded people. We help each other. We are the worm in the apple.
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Lot of luck to you but you are the last stubborn person on the Titanic who refused to jump ship. Blue areas will only get worst not better in the next decade or so.
 
Here is a different POV. Its the first in a series on nerd culture. watch em all if you get the time.

Basically modern 'Nerd Culture' is not really redeemable, because its not a culture, its a consumption pattern that elevates brokenness, sterility and nihilism. Far from having subverted nerd culture, SJW stuff is its logical conclusion.

 
Every modern subculture is based around consumption patterns. In fact modern culture is itself a culture of consumption.

That’s more to due to our capitalist alienated society. Where people find identity through consumption. A phenomenon which was analyzed in the 1950s.

I could condemn sports culture or fashion culture or whatever along similar lines.

But this derail is pointless and counter productive.

Not to mention that this site-The Sietch and it’s progenitor and sister sites are for nerds though we oft deny it. So condemning nerds and nerd culture here is most inappropriate.
 
LifeisTiresome said:
Erasing George Washington and Jefferson it seems.
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If the people don't punch against this sort of madness, then they are at fault for having their culture destroyed. Unless they fight to preserve these cultural goods, these historical parts of the USA, they will lose their identity and eventually turn into a sludge of sameness that has no identifier whatsoever. What will once have been the great United States of American will be a distorpian hellhole where people are judged by the color of their skin and not the contents of their character.
 
LifeisTiresome said:


Erasing George Washington and Jefferson it seems.
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God, reality's becoming just like the Kelly Turnbull novels, next they'll be destroying the remains of the statues or buildings they've destroyed and even upturning the very land itself till you just get big empty holes

Soon they're gonna be even making statues and monuments to ANTIFA members, even statues showing em throw Molotovs
 
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