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An act which many would see as ... unnatural.
United States DC Airport Plane and Blackhawk Collision
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It's mostly because of how a helicopter works, but I also wonder if the altimeter was properly calibrated
It's how helicopters work.
From what the guy said it probably was but they were reacting to the alarm and looking for the aircraft.
They didn't know where it was die to how NVGs work.
And that LEDs are almost invisible in them
A helicopter turns horizontal energy to vertical lift as it slows. They pilot has to actively reduce power as he changes the pitch of the blades in order to keep that vertical rise from happening.
And as the pilot in the video.mentioned, it is not easy when you are searching for the aircraft you are getting warned about
add in parallax issues, add in NVG limitations... a perfect storm.
It's actually a perfectly natural consequence of the way a helicopter uses cyclic and collective pitch changes to achieve both lift and forward thrust from a single rotor. When you ease back on the cyclic, the rotor shifts its thrust to be 'more vertical' with less sideways thrust; hence it tends to lift until you also reduce the total thrust production by changing collective.
(Helicopters above small toy scale do not actually use the *throttle* to change thrust levels because it's not responsive enough; the collective pitch control is used, with throttle being adjusted to maintain a more or less constant rotor speed across collective settings. Any reasonably modern helicopter normally uses auto-throttle for this.)
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Autothrottle is the normal setting even on performance-badass military helicopters; there's really not any REASON to throttle manually since you're generally just trying to hold the rotor in its narrow optimal RPM range regardless of cyclic and collective changes.
From what the thing I posted above mentioned, they have zero auto on as the whole point of the flight is to do it manually
Article: The @nytimes story on the January DC plane crash hides its takeaway until the last sentences: the lady helicopter pilot ignored multiple warnings from her right seat about altitude (and his directly telling her to turn away) and flew straight into a passenger jet.
The end.
Ugh.
Yes, there were other factors that allowed her to screw up and kill herself and almost 70 other people, but she was the one flying the Black Hawk. And she repeatedly ignored warnings.
The helo pilot ignored multiple warnings, including from her copilot, that she was too high and to turn away.
Yeah while I value the opinions of Aviation Experts like Alex Berenson, DC Draino and Libs of TikTok, CW Lemoine already did a video on the NTSB Report (its their preliminary one) that came out early in March.
Shockingly Aviation experts like Jack Posobiec and Ann Coulter apparently failed to disclose that the preliminary NTSB report and NYT article probably pointed out how both the Pilot and Training Officer had reported discrepancies in their separate altimeter readings immediately prior to the accident with them reporting a hundred foot difference (Pilot reporting 400 feet, TO reporting 300 feet) that wasn't reconciled according to the CVR recovered from the helicopter.
Or that the Training Officer was possibly looking to the right for traffic over the Potomac River instead of Left where the actual Airliner was actually approaching from and stating it had a visual contact with potentially the wrong aircraft.
Watching the video and reading the comments there and in other Facebook and Reddit Aviation communities, I'm in a real crisis to wonder who I should believe in this case since it's clearly either the Womans fault or it wasn't and I can't believe someone reliable like Meme Defense Fund would be biased in its presentation of the events.
Yeah while I value the opinions of Aviation Experts like Alex Berenson, DC Draino and Libs of TikTok, CW Lemoine already did a video on the NTSB Report (its their preliminary one) that came out early in March.
Shockingly Aviation experts like Jack Posobiec and Ann Coulter apparently failed to disclose that the preliminary NTSB report and NYT article probably pointed out how both the Pilot and Training Officer had reported discrepancies in their separate altimeter readings immediately prior to the accident with them reporting a hundred foot difference (Pilot reporting 400 feet, TO reporting 300 feet) that wasn't reconciled according to the CVR recovered from the helicopter.
Or that the Training Officer was possibly looking to the right for traffic over the Potomac River instead of Left where the actual Airliner was actually approaching from and stating it had a visual contact with potentially the wrong aircraft.
Watching the video and reading the comments there and in other Facebook and Reddit Aviation communities, I'm in a real crisis to wonder who I should believe in this case since it's clearly either the Womans fault or it wasn't and I can't believe someone reliable like Meme Defense Fund would be biased in its presentation of the events.
But Husky! Women pilot equals DEI!!!!
Even thiugh multiple people from the United have clarified against this...and one outright saying this was bound to happen even to the TO and crew chief, both of which he had flown with personally
There's no denying there are competent and good women pilots out there, but in this case it looks like she was pretty much a DEI hire that had as much sense to be in a cockpit as I would be in a nuclear reactor.
"This was bound to happen" and all the like sounds like ass-covering for the consequences of there being a pilot that shouldn't have been a pilot.
Except as Husky pointed out, it was not her or her TOs fault. They were having diffrent readings.
Add in she had more then enough hours for a commissioned officer.
The NTSB Report mentioned everything me and Husky have said, but yall seem to ignore it heavily.
Robovski
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Let's see now, nobody's fault? I'm certain that is so satisfying to the families of the 70 dead civilians who were on the airliner. It was all just a big oopsie when the pilot flew the Blackhawk into a civilian flight due to everyone on board being incompetent or failing to do their duty.
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She was instructed to lower her altitude multiple times by her copilot and she ignored him. This is 100% her fault and frankly it's fucking disgusting that you guys are still trying to cover her ass.
70 people are fucking dead, and Husky is busy trying to pass the blame from the Pilot who caused it to the guy who was giving her the correct instructions, which she ignored.
Also I just read the NTSB report and surprisingly I didn't find anything that would justify her ignoring two instuctions to lower her altitude, and the final instruction to turn left.
Not everyone on board, this was pretty much just Lobach, her copilot told her to lower her altitude twice before she entered the corridor, and he told her she needed to turn left to avoid the flight.
She did not heed any of those instructions...
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Wow it's like none of you read what Husky or I have posted.
It is a fault of multiple people, not a single one.
Did you not read the NTSB report? Your gonna trust the NYT?
The NTSB report mentions that the pilot and TO had diffrent readings on thier Alt. Which one was right or wrong is iirc in the report.
Add in, the TO was looking the opposite direction of the plane that hit them, so his comment on the altitude had nothing to do with the plane that hit them.
Except again, did you actually read it? Can you find in the NTSB report that refutes what Husky said?
Because the NTSB report says, he was looking the opposite direction and thier alt were diffrent.
You did?
yet every single person i have found on youtube who have gone through the whole thing and have experience doing this say itherwise...
Add in turning to the left is the direction the plane was coming from, he would have told her to bank right if he was looking at the right plane...
Again, thier alt were diffrent and the TO was looking another direction...
Why not listen to someone who actually has flown the route instead of some NYT reporter.
The guy I'm this video with Pilot debrief? Knew the entire crew, flew the route, knew the birds they flew.
Wanna know something interesting? They were using the oldest in service Blackhawk varient.
Do know that the leasing cause if aircraft deaths in the military? Malfunctioning equipment. It is reported they were tracking diffrent alt, that alone is part of the reason the crash happend.
Add in the ATC knew the helicopter was on that route and would be near the intersection point and still sent the aircraft there instead of its initial runway.
But it's blame the women!!!
If the airplane had a female pilot, immediately they would get blamed for it.
Robovski
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I am not blaming the women, once again I am blaming the dumbass pilots being there in the first place in the path of a civilian airport in the approach flight path, something easily avoided but NOOOOOOO you said it's necessary so they can train so we can evacuate bigwig shitbags efficiently. Won't someone think of the shitbags? Meanwhile 70 are dead and their families have no satisfaction other than it wasn't intentional.