Do you think that countries such as Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova should be given a roadmap to European Union membership?

[WolfBear]

Do you think that countries such as Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova should be given a roadmap to European Union membership, even if actual EU membership for these countries is likely to be quite a while away? Just so that they are actually able to set some concrete goals in regards to this and to know what exactly is expected of them. It seems like if one wants a more nationalistic and traditional European Union, then this is the best away to achieve it. It would essentially create a 130-million-strong conservative and traditional Intermarium bloc within the EU, after all:

Intermarium - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TheRejectionist]

No

 

[WolfBear]

No

Why not?

 

[TheRejectionist]

Why not?

Because It would at best throwing them at the wolves, at worst we start another global Conflict.
I would expand on it but right now i can because its 4am here

 

[Abhorsen]

Do you think that countries such as Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova should be given a roadmap to European Union membership, even if actual EU membership for these countries is likely to be quite a while away? Just so that they are actually able to set some concrete goals in regards to this and to know what exactly is expected of them. It seems like if one wants a more nationalistic and traditional European Union, then this is the best away to achieve it. It would essentially create a 130-million-strong conservative and traditional Intermarium bloc within the EU, after all:

Intermarium - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It depends what your goals are really. I want the EU to die so that the US has more influence, so I'd say probably not, for example.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

It depends what your goals are really. I want the EU to die so that the US has more influence, so I'd say probably not, for example.

Actually, adding those countries might bring down the EU faster.

 

[LordsFire]

The EU is already in turmoil, and I doubt it'll last another ten years as anything but a shadow of itself. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes in five or less.

It's not in the interest of any nation to make themselves serfs to EU bureaucrats only to be left holding part of the bag when it collapses.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Getting Romania and Bulgaria was bad enough economy wise, getting in the economic clusterfucks that are Moldova and Ukraine would be even worse. And Georgia is on the wrong side of Black Sea, if EU membership is offered, then why not also countries on the wrong side of Mediterran, like Israel and Lebanon?

 

[Zachowon]

If only to piss off Russia I am for it

 

[AnimalNoodles]

If only to piss off Russia I am for it

thats a bad reason.

Europe cant defend these countries, and adding them would be needlessly poking the bear, so the logical response is that they shouldnt be added.

 

[Zachowon]

thats a bad reason.

Europe cant defend these countries, and adding them would be needlessly poking the bear, so the logical response is that they shouldnt be added.

Poke the bear. Let them extend themselves to far

 

[PsihoKekec]

If only to piss off Russia I am for it

And most importantly, it will fuck up the EU.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

The EU was an good idea...and we all know what paves a certain road.

 

[Cherico]

thats a bad reason.

Europe cant defend these countries, and adding them would be needlessly poking the bear, so the logical response is that they shouldnt be added.

Europe in general cant defend themselves.

 

[WolfBear]

And most importantly, it will fuck up the EU.

How so?

 

[TheRejectionist]

Europe in general cant defend themselves.

Germany especially. I think Italy, of all EU, countries, has the biggest standing army, with reservists and whatnot. Which eats tons of her budget.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Getting Romania and Bulgaria was bad enough economy wise, getting in the economic clusterfucks that are Moldova and Ukraine would be even worse. And Georgia is on the wrong side of Black Sea, if EU membership is offered, then why not also countries on the wrong side of Mediterran, like Israel and Lebanon?

Both are MENA countries, regardless on how much European and progressive-liberal-conservative-social democrat Israel pretends to be.

 

[WolfBear]

Getting Romania and Bulgaria was bad enough economy wise, getting in the economic clusterfucks that are Moldova and Ukraine would be even worse. And Georgia is on the wrong side of Black Sea, if EU membership is offered, then why not also countries on the wrong side of Mediterran, like Israel and Lebanon?

Because Israel and Lebanon have a lot of Muslims? And Lebanon also has Hezbollah? Though Israel in the EU isn't necessarily a bad idea.

Also, an EU roadmap for Moldova, Ukraine, and Georgia doesn't necessarily mean immediate EU membership for them. Rather, it can come 20-30 years later if necessary, once they will become wealthier.

 

[Cherico]

Germany especially. I think Italy, of all EU, countries, has the biggest standing army, with reservists and whatnot. Which eats tons of her budget.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Lol. I don't think we are competent as the Legionnaires. The only strategic reason we (might) have is because

1. We are in NATO
2. We are in a strategic position and we are the Mediterranean carrier
3. Russophobia in Washington