Lord Sovereign
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As much as I do like Dune, through the ideas of Frank Herbet it is built on a comically liberal misunderstanding of history. Only men like Paul Atreides can turn the wheels of history.
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As much as I do like Dune, through the ideas of Frank Herbet it is built on a comically liberal misunderstanding of history. Only men like Paul Atreides can turn the wheels of history.
Like the David Lynch adaption (which was also used as a base for Westwood Studios' Dune 2000 and Emperor), I've always liked looking at the different art styles. Is there a book on the new Dune's art, or am I stuck looking at the film's scenes?
Yeah: H R's Geidi Prime's architecture was wild.
I never read that anywhere.
Was that in one of the later Dune novels by Frank, one of the odd prequels, or the "sequel" shit written by his son and about three other people?
Jaenera Targaryen
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Um, yes? That was even a thing in-universe, if you read the novels right to the very end. The problem was that despite what rationality and the lessons of history teach them, Humans love strong leaders and visionary figures. Leto II thus intended the Golden Path to not just free Humanity from the trap of prescience, but also to teach Humanity fear and loathing for the notion of another messianic god-king. Or, if the lesson failed to stick - since Leto II could no longer see past the end of the Golden Path thanks to the spread of the no-gene - then the Scattering, i.e. the dispersal of Human populations beyond the boundaries of known space, would ensure that even if other god-kings arose in the future, they would never actually be able to rule all of Humanity.
Paul was afraid/selfish in not wanting to go down the Golden Path, but his son and daughter, especially his son, took up the mantle, IIRC? It's been years since I've read them.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
A naive hope to my mind.
There will always be Caesars or Shahanshahs, even if they aren’t called that. Somebody rules at the end of the day.
That aside, we must remember the Golden Path is effectively a madman’s drug infused vision of the future for which billions ended up dead, so I don’t take it too seriously.
stephen the barbarian
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iirc it was a dig at Isaac Asimovs Foundation and Psychohistory.
Of course.Look what Napoleon ,or Alexander the Great did: created myths of great man capable of making pervest world - but not only failed to deliver such world themselves,but created million of would-be Napoleons/Alexanders who tried and failed even more miserably then them.
And,even if they succed and create perfect empire for few generations,it would fail,becouse it would depend on genius to leading it.And,average rulers are not geniuses.
Polish nationalists after WW1 opposedPiłsudzki not only becouse he was socjalist,but also becouse he used "great man" myth,when problems must be solved by normal people,not choosen geniuses.
Jaenera Targaryen
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Yeah, which is why - like I said - Leto II engineered the Scattering. So when new tyrants appear, they won't have nearly the same degree of all-encompassing power that he had possessed, simply because there'd be no telling how many and exactly where all the various Human-settled worlds in the universe were.
Speaking of which, funny thing is, IIRC Leto II actually ascribed to a similar mentality with regard to intelligent machines as the 40k Mechanicum. That is, if machines cannot be trusted to think for themselves, and purely Human bodies are too limited, then why not merge both? Put the Human element at the heart of the machine, and break the limitations of the Human form with mechanical augmentation?
Leto II actually favored the Ixians (which inspired the Mechanicum meta-wise) because of that, since they found ways around the proscriptions of the Butlerian Jihad by means of cybernetics in place of pure machine thinking.
Bassoe
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Good news, I found a website which is either Jodorowsky's artbook or a reasonably high-quality fake, either way, worth checking out.
Thanks ! if Moebius help Jodorowsky,it would be masterpiece.
I just read the first two pages ("The Dog Beings" and the next)... what the fuck did I just read?
Madness - and that is why i wanted that movie.But - Jodorowsky would not include dog beings,but - aside from that,it would be the same.
Bassoe
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The problem with this, Leto was genuinely doing a great job. His Wormyness banned ursery and maintained a currency backed by a hard value*, had politicizing pseudohistorians burnt at the stake atop pyres of their own propaganda** and recognized that giving dissidents wives and families under the status quo meant they now had reason to support it***.
During the landsraad and later, Leto's empire, space travel was limited to a finite bubble of territory surrounding Arrakis, since a ship had to carry enough melange to sustain its Navigator both ways. After the Scattering, Ixian Navigation Machines and synthetic Melange produced in Axlotl Tanks broke this monopoly and allowed people to colonize everywhere. The idea being, that eventually new colonies would be being established at a rate faster than existing colonies could be conquered or destroyed, therefore, it'd be impossible for anyone to rule everyone.
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**God Emperor of Dune by Frank Herbert said:
***God Emperor of Dune by Frank Herbert said:
God Emperor of Dune by Frank Herbert said: