Abhishekm
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Is that what this one was about?
Trump campaign just pulled a "You fool! You fell for my trap!" statement.
Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow
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DarthOne
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Probably- if so, I forgot seeing that notice prior to today. In my defense, there's a lot going on and it's hard to keep track of it all sometimes.
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The judge was suggested by Sen. Toomey. He's an almost 20-year member of the Federalist Society. Saying he was appointed by Obama is trying to sow doubt that is, perhaps misplaced.
Trump's lawyers haven't filed an appeal to the Third Circuit yet. (Which makes zero sense, the thing is a form you fill out.) They had 48 hours. They've wasted 12. The judge clearly indicated he was going to dismiss the day before doing so.
No appeal court will look kindly on 'emergency' relief if there's apparently no urgency behind it. The only relief they asked for was to block certification of the PA ballots; once the state does it, this lawsuit is dead, appeal or no appeal.
Trump's lawyers haven't filed an appeal to the Third Circuit yet. (Which makes zero sense, the thing is a form you fill out.) They had 48 hours. They've wasted 12. The judge clearly indicated he was going to dismiss the day before doing so.
No appeal court will look kindly on 'emergency' relief if there's apparently no urgency behind it. The only relief they asked for was to block certification of the PA ballots; once the state does it, this lawsuit is dead, appeal or no appeal.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
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This appears to be based on the same affidavit filed in Georgia that confused Minnesota and Michigan.
If there was massive fraud, why isn't Trump's legal team raising this argument in court?
A vast international leftist conspiracy?
Doomsought
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Because there are some weird sophistries of law that probably make it legally inoperative.
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And those would be...?
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I asked Doomsought what these "sophistries of law" that have resulted in explosive allegations on television and the internet, rather than in court, where they might actually make a judge give the relief Trump's legal team is seeking, are. You can't unring a bell. Either this is reckless political theater or the death knell for American democracy, and if it's the second one, why hasn't any of this been raised in court by the campaign? Why does every lawyer for the campaign change their tune and say it's NOT about fraud when they're actually IN court?
I'm adopting a wait and see approach.
I think we all are.
We know fraud exists at this point we have people being prosecuted, but I think its going to come down to Dominion if true that's huge that's dear god one of the worst scandals in American history.
gral
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You know, a Brazilian conservative commented something I agree with; why is Biden's legal team not aggressively pushing their point of view, like Trump's is?
No matter the judicial result(and I still think things are in Biden's favor, although I'd give Trump about 35% chances of succeeding right now, up from the around 20% he had last weekend), Trump's team is pushing aggressively(well, they have to), and they are succeeding in the political arena - people are slowly getting convinced something is wrong with this election; maybe not wrong enough to change the results in some peoples' opinion, but still wrong.
I can't help but agree with that guy that leaving the press in charge of divulging his side of the argument as Biden's team seems to be doing is a mistake, one that will cost dearly to the democrats.
No matter the judicial result(and I still think things are in Biden's favor, although I'd give Trump about 35% chances of succeeding right now, up from the around 20% he had last weekend), Trump's team is pushing aggressively(well, they have to), and they are succeeding in the political arena - people are slowly getting convinced something is wrong with this election; maybe not wrong enough to change the results in some peoples' opinion, but still wrong.
I can't help but agree with that guy that leaving the press in charge of divulging his side of the argument as Biden's team seems to be doing is a mistake, one that will cost dearly to the democrats.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I got this claim back in 2019. Do they always do a 180?
This was in 2018.
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mesonoxian
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Are you claiming the fact they are having their machines tested for weaknesses is evidence the machines are vulnerable? It would seem to be the opposite.
Of course, you can't hack a voting machine that isn't on the internet, but Republicans blocked a bill to ban them from being online.
No, you can just hack them in-place by making them go to the admin mode, which is stupid simple to do once you've seen it demonstrated.
We have a video earlier in this thread that showed just how easy it was to do that.
Now come back when you can show the Republicans blocking election security bills that don't include a metaphorical dozen poison pills.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
No I'm claiming the media cried about voter fraud and then switched direction much like some Democrats before.
mesonoxian
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So you think hackers were in polling places all over the country?
Why would I come back? A bad argument was made that testing for vulnerabilities meant the machines were insecure. I pointed out that was a bad argument and that the Republican in the Senate prevented security legislation from being passed.
That's all I intended to do.
The Democrats are definitely feckless rubes, no argument there. But that wasn't a democratic source, nor was it a claim that elections were being hacked. It was a (somewhat sensationalist) news story about vulnerability testing.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
They were really intent on the Russians unlike the Chinese.
mesonoxian
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It shouldn't matter, the vulnerabilities are the vulnerabilities, no matter who is trying to exploit them
Neither group has shown any interest in hacking election results, though. The Russians engaged in election interference certainly, but I have never seen any evidence that they manufactured votes for Trump or anything like that. There is a big difference between trying to foment chaos through social media and actually trying to change results.