Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

DarthOne

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They keep going and just praise Biden all day like they did with Obama?

Idk why people act like the MSM didn't exist before Trump lol
Tue, but they haven't taken financial losses or the loss of public trust to this degree before. It might be enough to end them.
 

Rocinante

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Tue, but they haven't taken financial losses or the loss of public trust to this degree before. It might be enough to end them.
They've only lost trust with people who don't really watch them in the first place.

The rest of them will keep happily watching their leftist propaganda. It makes them feel good.

Sure they'll probably lose some viewers, but they'll keep on rolling.
 

DarthOne

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They've only lost trust with people who don't really watch them in the first place.

The rest of them will keep happily watching their leftist propaganda. It makes them feel good.

Sure they'll probably lose some viewers, but they'll keep on rolling.
I'm not so sure about that.
 

ATP

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Tue, but they haven't taken financial losses or the loss of public trust to this degree before. It might be enough to end them.
Their backers are yellow dog party people - which mean,that they would always support them no matter how rotten they are.
In Poland we have similar situation in big cities - for example,president of Warsaw is supporing Antifa thugs and mafia which stealed ownerships of buildings,but is still supported by our leftists.
 

The Original Sixth

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Yes. Which is why there's been both a hand recount and a machine tally. Neither changed the results overmuch. If you want to match signatures, that can not be done in a way that matches the ballot with the outer, signed envelope after the ballots are opened. That is why GA law requires observers during that phase of the process.

Which is why you should not be working with those ballots after poll watchers have left. Especially when you KNOW that they should be there watching it.

So now you're arguing something entirely different, that the observers were too far away? That's not what was implied with the video at the hearing, or earlier in this thread.

That was exactly what they were alleging in the video and their affidavits. I know, I listened to the entire hearing portion concerning that video.

Did a miscommunication result in the (not required) partisan watchers leaving early? Likely.

No, that is a likely possibility. Which is persuasive to you, because you seem rather intent on not finding any fraud. Or rather, the possibility of no fraud. I am of the opposing persuasion.

Was the legally mandated state observer present? Yes.

You mean after he was gone from his lunch? They started before he had returned from his lunch, as I understand it. Nor does that prove that he was innocent of a similar crime or just didn't care.

Did the ballots come from the same process as those counted earlier? Yes.
Was the vote distribution during that period within an expected ratio? Yes.

Those legal teams are alleging otherwise.

So what are you arguing?

I've been very clear. If you're foolish enough to think you can railroad me into changing my opinion to make my position look weak or me stupid, you're very much mistaken. I am alleging that this was rigged, that these ladies AND the observer might have been in on it, and that to be sure that the count was fair and proper, we should have an audit of the ballots.

Not a recount, an audit.

Certainly, there is no harm in having an audit. If we're to believe that we should piss away countless billions in economic production for the sake of every single life, then we should also be willing to piss away millions to ensure that every single life's vote is tallied properly.
 

The Original Sixth

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Yes, but its a slim possibility. This will likely go before SCOTUS and or the House. If it goes before SCOTUS its a tossup, but Rudy is building momentum. If it goes before the House then Trump has it.

It's more than a slim possibility. That's the media, weighing down upon your subconscious. You might compare it to the ever pressing evil of Mordor. In reality, Trump has a really good chance of winning this. And right now, with these public hearings, Trump and Rudy are not just building momentum, but to cite Razorfist, they are building pressure on judges. It's no longer safe for them just to turn the Trump campaign away because all the evidence is behind closed doors.

Now it's being put out there. And what's more, it's being done with affidavits. People who have sworn an oath to the truth. And it's going up against opponents who have yet to do the same. He said, she said means nothing if the other side isn't going to swear affidavits. And if you have two sworn statements alleging the opposite, that means you should check the physical evidence.

Which is where we're heading. And contrary to what the media, democrats, and certain rubes think, Guiliani isn't just showing up with complete randos who feel like things aren't fair. They've shown up with experts that confirm that Dominion has shady origins, shady connections, has odd tallying methods, lied about certain facts of their machines, and are in no way secure. And oddly enough, won't show up for these hearings.
 
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The Original Sixth

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It is when you willfully lie about a water leak to get them to leave.


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Sure.

Complete forensic scans of the Dominion voting machine. An outing of their network system. A comprehensive laying out of their encryption methods and their hashes. Ballot audits to ensure that chain of custody was kept. Scans to ensure that there weren't any mass machine produced ballots.

All of which could have been easily done weeks ago, were judges in these states not intentionally hampering them.
 

Morphic Tide

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Why bother? If they did their damned jobs properly, then there shouldn't be anything remotely at issue. There shouldn't be anything for "hostile actors" to use in the first place. There shouldn't be any way for Dominion themselves to do anything to the results once machines are on site, or find out who cast which ballot.
 

Zachowon

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Why bother? If they did their damned jobs properly, then there shouldn't be anything remotely at issue. There shouldn't be anything for "hostile actors" to use in the first place. There shouldn't be any way for Dominion themselves to do anything to the results once machines are on site, or find out who cast which ballot.
But how could they change ballots if they did not have access to the machines!
 

The Original Sixth

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Regardless of which lie they used, the affidavit indicates that they were told to leave. Even the media left. Question, how many affidavits have the opposing side signed?

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What hostile actors? It's a fucking counting machine, no one is going to steal that technology. Nor is any sort of hashing or cryptology they use in danger. Only a fucking idiot uses private hashing and cryptology methods. Best practice is to used well tested methods while keeping the actual encryption key secret. There is absolutely no reason why Dominion needs to keep their information secret.

It certainly isn't to protect their security, seeing as there are no less than twelve different attack vectors. And apparently white hats ranging in skill can crack their system between 2 and 12 minutes.

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According to at least one woman who I listened to, chain of custody was not maintained. In fact, another woman working the polls dragged her feet to get the required plastic tag seals, refused to sign the proper paperwork, and when the woman who wrote the affidavit arrived for the counting, discovered that the ballots were being pulled from brown carboard boxes. The red baggie seals they had been placed in, nowhere in sight. Nor the tags.

And according to one sworn affidavit, the official overseeing it was less than engaged, often paying little to no attention. The man who swore the affidavit in fact took pictures (which I have not fortunately seen) and alleges that the man was more interested in his phone calls than the election he was overseeing.

Maybe our electoral process has always been this sloppy. Maybe not.

Either way, there is no reason why we can't do an audit to ensure that we have trust in our system. Again, if we can piss away billions in economic activity for every life, why can't we spend millions making sure every life's vote counts?
 

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