Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

mesonoxian

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Lolno, recounts are useless, all that does is just recount potentially fraudulent ballots.

A forensic audit is what's needed.
So the problem is that the machines flipped Trump ballots to Biden ballots, but the ballots are also fake? It sounds like you have no coherent explanation of what happened and are just agreeing desperately with anything that throws doubt onto the very clear loss Trump suffered.
 

mesonoxian

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That means that if the results are neck and neck, Trump got 57% of the vote.
No, it doesn't. If your claim is that the Dominion voting machines gave the election to Biden, the a recount without the machines should have uncovered the discrepancy. It didn't. If your claim is that there were fake ballots, the Dominion voting machines misreading them this badly should have Trump lost by substantially more in the initial count than he did in the hand recount. That is not the case. He lost by the same margine everywhere, with the exception of votes from two counties that weren't properly entered (and included votes for both candidates), which failed to change the results.

Like Powell's imaginary raid in Germany, or Hunter Biden having a hard drive full of snuff films, your shouldn't believe everything you see on social media, just because you want it to be true.
 

mesonoxian

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Really? Because I haven't been posting unsourced Twitter posts as evidence of an invisible conspiracy, or buying conspiracy theories about raids that never happened on buildings that don't exist.

Trump's own lawyers filings don't back up the claims on social media.

And let's be honest here. Imagine for a moment Trump just honestly lost the election. Do you think he would act any differently than he is now? Do you think he would gracefully concede, help with the transition, and wish President Biden well? I can't imagine that happening. And can you imagine any world where Trump fails to concede defeat and his supporters don't agree with him, and people don't capitalize on it by making up fake stories on social media? Is there any possibility than any Trump loss, no matter how absolute, would come out looking any different from what we're seeing right now?
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Yeah, I tracked it back, and there is nothing supporting the claim. Hice claimed there was some evidence of vote flipping, but he provided no source for it, and the numbers seem to have been invented wholecloth. Meanwhile the election officials in Ware county have denied that any such thing occurred.

As much as I don’t like agreeing with people on the left, we (and right wingers in general) need to prepare ourselves for the almost certainty that Trump and his campaign can’t prove enough election fraud to win.
For what it is worth, my feelings on the matter are very much like that Onion article headline "Celebration over Trump defeat marred by news of Biden victory" or something like that. Biden is a trade up from Trump, but he is hardly what leftists actually want. I don't know if that makes it any more bearable or not.
 

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mesonoxian

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Wow, an unsourced screenshot of part of an article. That is a new low, even for this particular discussion. Though having found the source I can see why you posted it this way.

This is an article from the Epoch Times. It is reporting claims from the Trump legal team. The claim is that they have received permission to do "forensic analysis" on a voting machine in Michigan today. So even if we take the Epoch Times reporting on the Trump legal team's claims as somehow comporting with reality, it doesn't remotely support the suggestion that they already found evidence of tampering in Georgia. And in fact, the Georgia hand recount's failure to show any meaningful discrepancy from the machine vote means they won't find any such evidence. (And while they might lie about it on Twitter, I doubt they have the brass to present fake evidence in court, though they might prove me wrong.)

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Oh Lord, that's perfect.
 

ShieldWife

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For what it is worth, my feelings on the matter are very much like that Onion article headline "Celebration over Trump defeat marred by news of Biden victory" or something like that. Biden is a trade up from Trump, but he is hardly what leftists actually want. I don't know if that makes it any more bearable or not.
Well, I do think it’s rather strange that leftists are orgasming over the idea of a less articulate and more anti-white version of George W. Bush getting elected.

The conservative base at least managed to defeat the GOP establishment and put up a candidate, flawed and obnoxious though he may be, who represents their interests.
 
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mesonoxian

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Well, I do think it’s rather strange that leftists are orgasming over the idea of a slightly more anti-white version of George W. Bush getting elected.

The conservative base at least managed to defeat the GOP establishment and put up a candidate, flawed and obnoxious though he may be, who represents their interests.
A few things might be clouding the issue. for one thing, "leftist" has a lot of different possible interpretations, and it seems among conservatives it is "anybody less conservative than Barry Goldwater". Biden is basically a centrist. I think by design, he has basically sat at the midpoint of the Democratic party on just about every issue, no matter how the party has changed. If you are a goo-goo type who thinks the system basically works, with the possible nedd for a few reforms on corporate power and maybe some slight improvements to the socia safety net, Biden is great.

He is better than great, because Trump is a huge thumb in the eye to that philosophy. Trump represents a break down of the facade of liberal idealism, that the world is post-racial and post-political, and all that is left to do is work out the fine details of exactly how neo-liberalism should be implemented. Trump reveals an America deeply riven by racial paranoia and economic inequality, and the ease with which our constitutional and legal structures can be undermined if people decide to ignore the norms of the system. (This was true before Trump. The rise of the religious right and the Gingrich coalition and later McConnell's grinding congress to a halt under Obama made that clear to those with eyes to see. Trump just made it undeniable.)

If you are little more to the left, in the AOC,/Sanders wing of the Democratic party, getting rid of Trump is still great news. His policies are immoral and his influence on the country is baleful. But a Biden win is a decidedly mixed blessing, and strengthens elements within the party that support a deeply immoral status quo on issues like economic inequality, racial discrimination, police violence, etc.

It you are even further to the left, (it me), you are happy Trump is gone, wish someone who would do more good things than Biden had won (I was partial to Sanders or Warren), but ultimately don't believe any president is going to be able to fix what is wrong with the US or the wider world, and that it will take a deep restructuring of social relations to do so.

So the first set are delighted, everybody else is just relieved Trump is gone but are dissatisfied with Biden. The folks in the second group will continue to try to drive the Democrats left, and the actual Leftists will continue to organize outside of government.
 

The Original Sixth

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This is hilarious. "You're a fascist because you brought up Trump losing the popular vote, and not just the hundreds of thousands of legal votes we have to suppress for him to steal the election!"

Me:
Either way, there is no reason why we can't do an audit to ensure that we have trust in our system. Again, if we can piss away billions in economic activity for every life, why can't we spend millions making sure every life's vote counts?

Terthna:
Because it might result in Trump winning.

Comrade Clod:
Given that the man seems to have lost by 5 million+, unlikely.

Me:
And this is why Commies always ending up showing their fascist colors. A deep seated unwillingness to do basic math.

Trump needs to overturn only a few hundred thousand votes.

Pennsylvania -- 93,000
Wisconsin -- 20,000
Michigan -- 150,000
Georgia -- 13,000
Arizona -- 11,000

Disingenuous Retard:
This is hilarious. "You're a fascist because you brought up Trump losing the popular vote, and not just the hundreds of thousands of legal votes we have to suppress for him to steal the election!"


You want to try that again champ?

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Or is this honestly another attempt at trying to paint the electoral college as fascist? The "popular vote" is what Democrat elite tell their retarded little commies to explain away their incompetency, because they know their constituents are too stupid to understand how geopolitics actually work.

"You can't do this! It's inhumane!"
"But we all took a vote and we can rape your wife and daughter in front of you. See? You had a voice. You voted no."
"But there are 20 of you."
"Popular vote comrade."
 

mesonoxian

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Well, I thought that perhaps you were confused or rather dim and so somehow equated the popular vote to the electoral vote.

As it turns out, you're just really, really fucking ignorant.
I'm sorry. I shouldn't have made fun of you.

I gave into the temptation to score points on someone who is clearly dealing with an upsetting situation and that wasn't appropriate. I apologize.
 

The Original Sixth

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I gave into the temptation to score points on someone who is clearly dealing with an upsetting situation and that wasn't appropriate. I apologize.

Upset?

I think you mistake me for someone else. I'm having the time of my life. Because no matter what Biden does, he's not going to turnback what Trump did. And then I get to watch the Democrats tear themselves apart as the neo-liberals desperately try to shove the commies and progressives back in their box. Really, I'm mostly just bored that it's taking this long to reach a decision.
 

Megadeath

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In other words you are a pretentious and bloviating fool? Guy complemented his daughter? I'm supposed to not vote for him over the guy on tape making out with his niece? Not merely saying something creepy but doing it in an alzhimered fugue? I don't have an answer to you're 'issues' because they have been addressed repeatedly and you will either ignore them or use an appeal to authority in msm. I have been through this song and dance before. I also like many conservatives don't give a damn about religion. But if you keep trying i'm sure you will find the magic words to make me agree with you. What's you're commie tag on sb? I like to know which lefty troll im dealing with?
You're an idiot. My SB tag is exactly the same as I go by here. Like I said in my initial post, I don't expect to convert people so dyed in the wool they're okay with a candidate wanting to screw their own daughter. I can only assume you're not a father, and have weird issues about your mother if you think what Trump said about his daughter is okay. It's not a compliment. I also think it's weird that people compare a kiss on the lips among family to talking about wanting to date said family member.

As to your argument that you won't even bother defending a position because it's been done before, surely then responding is no harder than copy/pasting a response. If that CBF attitude is representative of can see why the legal effort is failing.
 

mesonoxian

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Upset?

I think you mistake me for someone else. I'm having the time of my life. Because no matter what Biden does, he's not going to turnback what Trump did. And then I get to watch the Democrats tear themselves apart as the neo-liberals desperately try to shove the commies and progressives back in their box. Really, I'm mostly just bored that it's taking this long to reach a decision.
I'm glad to hear you're taking it well.

They've been trying to do that for the last 100 years. The Democrats aren't leftists and alliances with them are necessarily alliances of convenience. Entryists like the DSA are interesting, but I don't hold out much hope for them.

The question with this election was only whether we got the competent elderly, racist neoliberal or the incompetent one with the fascist fan club. while I am glad to see the former beat the latter, neither one is some sort of revolutionary.

It's why it is baffling to see people screaming that Biden is going to throw them into reeducation camps or outlaw church or something. He's going to be a less corrupt, (somehow) less gaffe prone aid to the corporations and the cops than Trump was. He'll have a bit more plausible deniability, but he won't be a focal point for a bunch of khaki wearing neo-Nazis or trying to starve children to own the libs so I'll call it a net plus.
 

Cherico

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I'm glad to hear you're taking it well.

They've been trying to do that for the last 100 years. The Democrats aren't leftists and alliances with them are necessarily alliances of convenience. Entryists like the DSA are interesting, but I don't hold out much hope for them.

The question with this election was only whether we got the competent elderly, racist neoliberal or the incompetent one with the fascist fan club. while I am glad to see the former beat the latter, neither one is some sort of revolutionary.

It's why it is baffling to see people screaming that Biden is going to throw them into reeducation camps or outlaw church or something. He's going to be a less corrupt, (somehow) less gaffe prone aid to the corporations and the cops than Trump was. He'll have a bit more plausible deniability, but he won't be a focal point for a bunch of khaki wearing neo-Nazis or trying to starve children to own the libs so I'll call it a net plus.

your a literal communist you openly avocate for a system that murdered over a hundred million people world wide, you have exactly zero moral authority.
 

mesonoxian

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your a literal communist you openly avocate for a system that murdered over a hundred million people world wide, you have exactly zero moral authority.
Cool, not like I haven't replied to that 1500 times.

In other election news, Giuliani has tested positive for covid-19.
 

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