Fallout Fallout General Thread - War, War Never Changes. Nor do game engines.

[ThatZenoGuy]

The underlying frsme makes more sense.
And I mean, a lot of things are the same on the inside. Especially military wise.

A T72 and a T90 are the same internally for the most part.

Same with power armor. It isn't identical underneath, the frame os just a place to put it on.

One small problem, the damned things are so differently shaped, plus they obviously use different internal systems because they confer different radiation proofing, use different power plants, different hydraulics/servos and so on.
T-45 vs X-01 is less like T-72 vs T-90, and more like M-47 vs M1A2 SEP V3

 

[Agent23]

My question is.
How can you wear parts of the power armor without the other parts?
It makes no logical sense.

I would assume you can use the chestplate or the whole torso section as regular armor. Same goes for the helmet.

The other stuff - dunno, maybe ornamental armor.

 

[Zachowon]

One small problem, the damned things are so differently shaped, plus they obviously use different internal systems because they confer different radiation proofing, use different power plants, different hydraulics/servos and so on.
T-45 vs X-01 is less like T-72 vs T-90, and more like M-47 vs M1A2 SEP V3

And let's look at it this way.
The M113 is an APC.
Yet there have been so many things based off ot its platform you would be hard pressed to find some things hard to believe they are M113s.
Same base chassis, diffrent function.

And each individual piece would have all that on the inside connected to the armor.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

And let's look at it this way.
The M113 is an APC.
Yet there have been so many things based off ot its platform you would be hard pressed to find some things hard to believe they are M113s.
Same base chassis, diffrent function.

And each individual piece would have all that on the inside connected to the armor.

But that's still not a very accurate comparison, T-45 uses primitive servos that limit agility by a significant degree, in addition to the original models having primitive power sources.

The very next step up was radically different, fusion power unit, hydraulics, composite shell.
The M2 Bradley replaced the M113, and that's honestly LESS of a change from 45 to 51.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Explain how in NV you can wear it without the servos without becoming completely immobile? :V

Hate to say and it's just personal headcanon but they probably didn't and were just told that by the NCR equivalent of

NCR canonically has incompetent and corrupt people in positions of power, I would NOT be surprised if some Corrupt chief of engineers just said that to their troops and underlings to just resell the parts back to the Brotherhood for some extra caps under the table, it's not like the majority of the NCR troops are going to know how power armor works exactly.

If they actually could strip the parts specific joint parts they're only a few steps away from building their own power armor.


So headcanon is some poorly trained NCR Engineer guy were told by Fantastic 2.0 to rip a bunch of shit out of the power armor trying to get it semi functional but the servos didn't actually get ripped out just what they thought were servos.

It's a retcon but well in line with how the NCR was portrayed in New Vegas.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Hate to say and it's just personal headcanon but they probably didn't and were just told that by the NCR equivalent of

Eh? You literally see and can use the suits.

NCR salvaged power armor

The NCR salvaged power armor is a piece of armor in Fallout: New Vegas. Originally existing as T-45d power armor that was recovered by the NCR during their war with the Brotherhood of Steel,[1] Republic technicians stripped out the joint servos, making the armor much heavier to wear while...

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The suits are missing a couple plates to lighten the load, but the vast majority is still there.

Power armor, especially T-45d isn't THAT complex for the post apocalyptic societies, San Francisco sells em and presumably can build/repair em.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Eh? You literally see and can use the suits.

NCR salvaged power armor

The NCR salvaged power armor is a piece of armor in Fallout: New Vegas. Originally existing as T-45d power armor that was recovered by the NCR during their war with the Brotherhood of Steel,[1] Republic technicians stripped out the joint servos, making the armor much heavier to wear while...

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Different art style we don't know what NCR Salvaged armor would look like in 4.

The suits are missing a couple plates to lighten the load, but the vast majority is still there.

Well yeah that's my point, servers didn't get ripped off they were just told that and some other random shit got ripped out and the Engineer just said that because they couldn't figure it how to get it to work.

Power armor, especially T-45d isn't THAT complex for the post apocalyptic societies, San Francisco sells em and presumably can build/repair em.

Why are we assuming they're just not selling power armor that's been in storage or already in good condition?

NCR Heavy Troopers are literally using armor from people who were killed by NCR weapons, it's going to be a massive difference in the amount of repairs necessary.

It's the difference of pulling a tank that was left in the field without maintenance versus trying to repair a tank that got hit by several RPG's.

Way different

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Different art style we don't know what NCR Salvaged armor would look like in 4.

That's silly, NV is canon no matter how much Bethesda shits the bed over it. FO power armor can be carried around by a single man (with difficulty)
FO4 power armor cannot be carried around by a single man, ergo FO4 is the inconsistent one.

Well yeah that's my point, servers didn't get ripped off they were just told that and some other random shit got ripped out and the Engineer just said that because they couldn't figure it how to get it to work.

It confers no strength bonus, and it does not get effected by any EMP weapons because there's no active electronics in the suit (well, there's an AC unit but that's not very vulnerable to EMP apparently).

Hell the actual joints are modelled without the servos as well lmao.

Why are we assuming they're just not selling power armor that's been in storage or already in good condition?

NCR Heavy Troopers are literally using armor from people who were killed by NCR weapons, it's going to be a massive difference in the amount of repairs necessary.

It's the difference of pulling a tank that was left in the field without maintenance versus trying to repair a tank that got hit by several RPG's.

Way different

I am confused why you think 150+ years of post-nuclear society development wouldn't be able to scrounge up some blueprints (or, ya know, sentient AI's which exist in at least four locations) which allows for the construction of power armor.

It's complicated, but not exactly too impossible to make, the only major component you can't get easily is the fusion power source. FO2 had people maintaining nuclear power plants, armories, and more.

 

[Scooby Doo]

That's silly, NV is canon no matter how much Bethesda shits the bed over it. FO power armor can be carried around by a single man (with difficulty)
FO4 power armor cannot be carried around by a single man, ergo FO4 is the inconsistent one.

FO4 Power armor can be carried by a single man, they just changed It to the frame be the thing doing the carrying

And again you're taking NCR word at face value from a character who is not even an engineer.
Visually the Heavy Trooper is the same as the BOS T-45 with servos intact

The only noticeable difference are the arms and knees having less armor, a far cry from OMG LITERALLY YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE IT EMPTY THERE'S NOTHING THERE LITERALLY NOTHING!!!!

I am confused why you think 150+ years of post-nuclear society development wouldn't be able to scrounge up some blueprints (or, ya know, sentient AI's which exist in at least four locations) which allows for the construction of power armor.

It's complicated, but not exactly too impossible to make, the only major component you can't get easily is the fusion power source. FO2 had people maintaining nuclear power plants, armories, and more.

I'm confused on why you think a post apocalypse society would have people trained on reverse engineering military power armor?

Go ask how many people IRL who know how to repair a Sherman Tank even with schematics. Do you think the Dead Horses in New Vegas know how to repair power armor or how about the Great Khan's? Or at the very least the Black Foot?

It's been 150 years just give them some schematics surely they'd figure it out

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

FO4 Power armor can be carried by a single man, they just changed It to the frame be the thing doing the carrying

And again you're taking NCR word at face value from a character who is not even an engineer.
Visually the Heavy Trooper is the same as the BOS T-45 with servos intact

The only noticeable difference are the arms and knees having less armor, a far cry from OMG LITERALLY YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE IT EMPTY THERE'S NOTHING THERE LITERALLY NOTHING!!!!

>Visually the same
>Missing the fucking power source that makes it go
Kek

 

[Scooby Doo]

>Visually the same
>Missing the fucking power source that makes it go
Kek

We don't even know what the power source looks like in any Fallout Game they never gave us schematics
-Kek

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

We don't even know what the power source looks like in any Fallout Game they never gave us schematics
-Kek

Lets step back and establish the facts.

1: It's man portable
2: It is the only suit of power armor that is not affected by power armor weaknesses, and doesn't need training
3: it lacks the 'fusion backpack' of the T-45d or any other apparent source of power
4: It confers no radiation resistance (no radiation scrubber is active, cos no power!)
5: Confers no strength bonus (no power, no strength!)
6: Reliable sources in the form of Chief Hanlon tells us exactly what it is, and it's weakness of weighing a shitload while not being powered

Sounds to me like power armor isn't as huge as FO4 depicts, and that you can actually move around in a stripped-of-servos version with difficulty.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I'm confused on why you think a post apocalypse society would have people trained on reverse engineering military power armor?

Because it's a silly video game about giant chameleons, green rage monsters, zombie ghouls powered by radiation and a bastardized version of GURPS keeping it all together.
IF THE GAME WAS PURELY REALISTIC, WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO WE MUST TAKE A FEW HITS ON THE CHIN SUCH AS POST-WAR PRODUCTION OF SUPERTECH.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Because it's a silly video game about giant chameleons, green rage monsters, zombie ghouls powered by radiation and a bastardized version of GURPS keeping it all together.
IF THE GAME WAS PURELY REALISTIC, WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO WE MUST TAKE A FEW HITS ON THE CHIN SUCH AS POST-WAR PRODUCTION OF SUPERTECH.

If that's the case why doesn't everyone have power armor in Fallout 2.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

If that's the case why doesn't everyone have power armor in Fallout 2.

Because it's really expensive, and despite this several non BoS people are seen wearing it.

 

[DarthOne]

Because it's a silly video game about giant chameleons, green rage monsters, zombie ghouls powered by radiation and a bastardized version of GURPS keeping it all together.
IF THE GAME WAS PURELY REALISTIC, WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO WE MUST TAKE A FEW HITS ON THE CHIN SUCH AS POST-WAR PRODUCTION OF SUPERTECH.

Nevermind that you do have people who would have the knowledge. Besides the BOS and Enclave, I refuse to believe that (some of) the Vaults wouldn't have at least some knowledge.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Nevermind that you do have people who would have the knowledge. Besides the BOS and Enclave, I refuse to believe that (some of) the Vaults wouldn't have at least some knowledge.

Gunrunners probably found some documents somewhere, Zax knows about it in The Glow, there's probably more places that can figure it out.
I think Lou-Tennant also features power amour pieces.

 

[DarthOne]

Gunrunners probably found some documents somewhere, Zax knows about it in The Glow, there's probably more places that can figure it out.
I think Lou-Tennant also features power amour pieces.

I suspect The lieutenant (aka Lou-Tennant's) armor was salvaged or recovered from storage rather then made. I never got the impression that the Master had much of a manufacturing base.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I suspect The lieutenant (aka Lou-Tennant's) armor was salvaged or recovered from storage rather then made. I never got the impression that the Master had much of a manufacturing base.

Yeah that's true, they nabbed everything from the army base, rather than build it.
There's King Arthur in FO2, easter egg or not you gotta love it.

 

[DarthOne]

Yeah that's true, they nabbed everything from the army base, rather than build it.
There's King Arthur in FO2, easter egg or not you gotta love it.

Personally, one of my issues with Fallout 2 is that it went in too hard with the pop culture easter eggs, as well as being far more wackier then Fallout 1. Something that Bethesda-fallout seems to have noticed and leaned into more.

Also the fact that no one at the Enclave Oil Rig noticed the giant pre-war oil tanker docking with their hidden base or investigated it seriously. Either that or I am SERIOUSLY missing something.