Federalized Austria Survives First World War

ATP

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WWI?
No different than blacks in USA. The black middle class does not move to white areas but creates its own neighbourhoods.
Which is absolutely not racist, unlike whites wishing to live among their own kind.
SORRY,WW1.After WW2 90% go to Izrael/USA,rest remained - mostly soviet minions.
 

ATP

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There are some who claim that 90% were murdered by Germans, though.
Sorry,my mistake.Germans genocided 90%,10% survived,mostly go to Izrael before 1950.Remained commies who owned commie Poland,and those who decided to become poles.
 

WolfBear

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The black middle class does not move to white areas but creates its own neighbourhoods.

Are you sure about that? Sometimes they do live among whites, such as in Oak Park, Illinois, which pursued a carefully designed integration policy that essentially only accepted middle- and upper-class blacks:

 

WolfBear

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There are some who claim that 90% were murdered by Germans, though.

90% of Polish Jews were, in fact, murdered by the Germans. The only reason that this percentage isn't even higher than that is because over 200,000 Polish Jews managed to survive the Holocaust by being deported by Stalin to the Soviet interior before the start of Operation Barbarossa.
 

ATP

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90% of Polish Jews were, in fact, murdered by the Germans. The only reason that this percentage isn't even higher than that is because over 200,000 Polish Jews managed to survive the Holocaust by being deported by Stalin to the Soviet interior before the start of Operation Barbarossa.

And becouse at least 50.000 was saved by poles in situation,when germans killed entire families for that.
To compare - if somebody had rifle,or even entire arsenal,he was killed,but family was spared or go to prison.

And,they were not idiots who belived in jewish gratitude.
Zofia Kossak-Szczucka,who lead ลปegota - action saving jews,was well aware of fact tat surviving jews would blame poles for german crimes.
Yet,those saint fools still helped jews.
 
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WolfBear

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And becouse at least 50.000 was saved by poles in situation,when germans killed entire families for that.
To compare - if somebody had rifle,or even entire arsenal,he was killed,but family was spared or go to prison.

And,they were not idiots who belived in jewish gratitude.
Zofia Kossak-Szczucka,who lead ลปegota - action saving jews,was well aware of fact tat surviving jews would blame poles for german crimes.
Yet,those saint fools stil helped jews.

Yes, I actually do think that it was more courageous for Poles to save Jews relative to, say, French because as you said, AFAIK entire Polish families were murdered by the Nazis for sheltering Jews, whereas this was not the case with French families, et cetera who sheltered Jews.
 

ATP

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Yes, I actually do think that it was more courageous for Poles to save Jews relative to, say, French because as you said, AFAIK entire Polish families were murdered by the Nazis for sheltering Jews, whereas this was not the case with French families, et cetera who sheltered Jews.

That was usually not the case with french who helped jews,tooThey go to prisons and camps,when they could survive.
Unless they were from bigger cities.
I reember memories of polish aristocrat from german work camp - moste poles and soviet prisoners survived,but few french from Paris /also young people/ died.

Interesting - polish soldier from AK,send to gulag meet there other poles,soviets,germans and french from "Charlemagne" dyvision.

All was treated equilly shitty.Most soviets survived,less poles and germans - but almost all french died.
 

ahmed ali

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Do you mean you don't like random changes due to chaos theory being applied (i.e. what "butterfly effect" actually means), or that you don't like causality? Because what @WolfBear said is actually the latter: due to the different timeline, it's very unlikely that the parents of any child born later on are going to have sex the exact same moment as in OTL, and that the exact same sperm will find the exact same egg...

So even without the actual butterfly effect, simple causality means that any child born some significant interval after the POD is just by definition going to be different. An "ATL sibling" of the person that existed in OTL, rather than the exact same person.

(The more affected the parents are by the POD, the earlier this causal effect will reach them. If Something happens in Russia, then it may take some time before the causal effects reach America, for instance. But a few years down the line? You won't be able to realistically defend any person born from then on being the same as in OTL.)

both of them

Births are best like OTL. but change death
 

Sergeant Foley

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More like: there is a good chance they still get whacked, but war happens regardless of whether he survives or not.
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