Fighting Words, Slurs & Culture

[Agent23]

Hello there antifa.

And you are actually surprised?

I mean, we are talking about a sanctimonious NPC with a near zero attention span here.

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

Alright @Bacle I feel the need to holler at you and I'm going to use the Babylon Bee to do it. Have you noticed how for the most part their jokes are pretty tame? A lot of them speak truth to power but the fact is that these guys are respectable, mostly clean, and almost family friendly.

And when it came time to yeet them off of Twitter that respectability counted for absolutely nothing. All the while what I can really respect them for is not punching right, even though there is some wackadoodle wild shit out on the right. They know they're not going to convince a soul on the left by making articles like "what Bannon did was beyond the pale and should be disavowed."

Because if they waste their time doing that, they're not convincing a soul. All the while freaks like Vaush gobble up ad money.

 

[stephen the barbarian]

Do you know the concept of 'fighting words'?

iirc the courts have consistently found that "fighting words" are NOT be a justifiable reason for violence

 

[Bacle]

Hello there antifa.

If you want to abuse the definition of "fighting words" (which itself is a bit of a relic of a different time) to a point where it can be used as a trick for legal grassroots political executions, then any rightwinger with a brain will vote for the election of politicians/judges who will consider namacalling someone as a racist or nazi as fighting words. Do you want to go this road?

I think that you are ignoring the wider context of the implications of calling someone a 'house black', particularly in certain areas, and ignoring who (KKK-type) would be using said slurs against (African-Americans) and how that would be received in the wider US population.

Also, anyone who uses the term 'house black' to describe African-Americans would be someone who is providing a living example of why BLM and Antifa are able to do what they do and get away with it so often.

I'm not saying killing the people who use those slurs would be a 'good thing', but I also understand what is likely to happen to someone if they say that slur in certain areas of the US.

You want to kick Rak's ass? What is this internet tough guy nonsense?

As he is in Germany and is unlikely to ever be face-to-face with someone who would actually kick his ass for using that slur, I doubt anyone would kick his ass for this where he lives.

I was saying that if he ever came to the US and uttered that slur in certain parts of the nation, well...he'd likely get an asskicking at minimum and might get worse if he tried it in a place like Compton or Chicago's East Side.

Alright @Bacle I feel the need to holler at you and I'm going to use the Babylon Bee to do it. Have you noticed how for the most part their jokes are pretty tame? A lot of them speak truth to power but the fact is that these guys are respectable, mostly clean, and almost family friendly.

And when it came time to yeet them off of Twitter that respectability counted for absolutely nothing. All the while what I can really respect them for is not punching right, even though there is some wackadoodle wild shit out on the right. They know they're not going to convince a soul on the left by making articles like "what Bannon did was beyond the pale and should be disavowed."

Because if they waste their time doing that, they're not convincing a soul. All the while freaks like Vaush gobble up ad money.

And the point of this is what, 'Don't punch Right, even when deserved, because you won't convince the Lefties anyway'?

Sorry, but I call bullshit on that; I am a Registered Independent for a reason, and part of that is because sometimes people need to punch Right, to keep people like Rak, Whitestrake, and other racists who hide under the skirts of the Right from charting it's course.

It's not Dem voters waving the Stars and Bars at NASCAR events, after all.

And people who take Vaush seriously should not be taken seriously by anyone else, regardless of their political views.

Edit:

iirc the courts have consistently found that "fighting words" are NOT be a justifiable reason for violence

Sure, but DA's also have discretion in who they press charges against, which is why the concept still counts.

Someone who used 'house black' in-person against an African-American is likely to see the DA shrug at the charges resulting from a beating against the person who used the slur, and is likely dismiss them or drop them to the lowest charges they can get away with.

If it becomes a lethal encounter, then maybe the DA would push harder, but even then it's likely to get dropped to manslaughter, not a murder charge.

This may not be 'ideal', but we do not live in an ideal world, never will, and if some poeple are uncomfortable hearing the reality around what could happen to someone who uses a slur like that in the US these days, tough shit; reality isn't pleasant or just, get used to it.

 

[LordsFire]

Sorry, but I call bullshit on that; I am a Registered Independent for a reason, and part of that is because sometimes people need to punch Right, to keep people like Rak, Whitestrake, and other racists who hide under the skirts of the Right from charting it's course.

No, you're an independent because you still think like a leftist, just the leftist of ten years ago, and you aren't willing to go as extreme as the current leftists have.

You've been pretty clear multiple times that you basically want to turn the modern right into the left of 10 years ago. Which isn't going to happen.

 

[Bacle]

No, you're an independent because you still think like a leftist, just the leftist of ten years ago, and you aren't willing to go as extreme as the current leftists have.

You've been pretty clear multiple times that you basically want to turn the modern right into the left of 10 years ago. Which isn't going to happen.

No, that's just what you tell yourself about me in your own head.

I don't want the Left of 10 years ago, but neither do I think the Right of right now is without significant flaws, and people like you cannot accept that someone can be in the center and be willing to call out both sides for their bullshit.

 

[LordsFire]

No, that's just what you tell yourself about me in your own head.

I don't want the Left of 10 years ago, but neither do I think the Right of right now is without significant flaws, and people like you cannot accept that someone can be in the center and be willing to call out both sides for their bullshit.

I can accept that. I have a libertarian-left friend who more or less plays that role. I ask him for thoughts from his perspective from time to time.

You, on the other hand, have demonstrated a complete inability to wrap your mind around key things such as:
1. The entire modern green movement is a fraud, and those who've been deceived by said fraud.
2. Actual racists are rare in the Republican party, much less the right as a whole, and have no power within the movement as a whole, though a couple local chapters here and there are influenced.
3. The Christian Conservative movement is an integral part of the right, and without it the political right will not win another major federal election in this generation.

When you keep repeating the propaganda lines of the left, it shows that you haven't actually escaped their mental trap in many key ways, and how your perception and judgement are both compromised.

 

[Marduk]

I think that you are ignoring the wider context of the implications of calling someone a 'house black', particularly in certain areas, and ignoring who (KKK-type) would be using said slurs against (African-Americans) and how that would be received in the wider US population.

>in certain areas
Back to the old saying, offense is taken, never given. Also you may have a rather inaccurate polling regarding the wider US population.
We are not "in a certain area", whatever you mean.

Also, anyone who uses the term 'house black' to describe African-Americans would be someone who is providing a living example of why BLM and Antifa are able to do what they do and get away with it so often.

Malema tells Zondo being called a 'house negro' not an insult, but 'academic criticism' | The Citizen

'It is criticism and can even be an academic criticism and that's how she characterises the African judges who are sitting there,' argues the EFF leader.

www.citizen.co.za

South African race communists use it, quoting US race communists while at it.
BLM and Antifa should not be getting away with what they do even if every single white American was waking up and yelling "house black" loudly as part of his morning ritual.

I'm not saying killing the people who use those slurs would be a 'good thing', but I also understand what is likely to happen to someone if they say that slur in certain areas of the US.

"likely to happen"? As in what, a lightning from blue sky?
You are trying to excuse murder over insults, don't sugarcoat it.
If you want to argue that this is a reasonable way to run a civilized society, at least make it equal all around, instead of giving special status to certain parties and insults, and have your medieval\middle eastern style society where people murder each other over all sorts of perceived insults.

As he is in Germany and is unlikely to ever be face-to-face with someone who would actually kick his ass for using that slur, I doubt anyone would kick his ass for this where he lives.

And they still would get their ass into prison for it.

I was saying that if he ever came to the US and uttered that slur in certain parts of the nation, well...he'd likely get an asskicking at minimum and might get worse if he tried it in a place like Compton or Chicago's East Side.

In some parts of the world you would get an asskicking or even worse for supporting gay marriage. Is that something you want to be a conversation ending argument in other matters too? What is it with this roundabout celebration of mob violence?

Sorry, but I call bullshit on that; I am a Registered Independent for a reason, and part of that is because sometimes people need to punch Right, to keep people like Rak, Whitestrake, and other racists who hide under the skirts of the Right from charting it's course.

They get shat on when they ITG, and so shall you.

Someone who used 'house black' in-person against an African-American is likely to see the DA shrug at the charges resulting from a beating against the person who used the slur, and is likely dismiss them or drop them to the lowest charges they can get away with.

If it becomes a lethal encounter, then maybe the DA would push harder, but even then it's likely to get dropped to manslaughter, not a murder charge.

If that is so, then you need to replace antifa wannabe DAs.

This may not be 'ideal', but we do not live in an ideal world, never will, and if some poeple are uncomfortable hearing the reality around what could happen to someone who uses a slur like that in the US these days, tough shit; reality isn't pleasant or just, get used to it.

The reality of politics you are talking about here is about power, who holds it, and who uses to shape it to own liking.
Those who swing a fist or pull a trigger are engaging in that process, legally or not.
Where do you stand on it? Should it be legal, and if so, would it be fair if people were reacting the same way to you calling them racists, and right wing DAs were considering that an ok excuse to do so?

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

As he is in Germany and is unlikely to ever be face-to-face with someone who would actually kick his ass for using that slur, I doubt anyone would kick his ass for this where he lives.

I was saying that if he ever came to the US and uttered that slur in certain parts of the nation, well...he'd likely get an asskicking at minimum and might get worse if he tried it in a place like Compton or Chicago's East Side.

You can tell me you wouldn't do it personally, but here you're practically lamenting the fact that he can get away with it in Germany.

And the point of this is what, 'Don't punch Right, even when deserved, because you won't convince the Lefties anyway'?

Sorry, but I call bullshit on that; I am a Registered Independent for a reason, and part of that is because sometimes people need to punch Right, to keep people like Rak, Whitestrake, and other racists who hide under the skirts of the Right from charting it's course.

It's not Dem voters waving the Stars and Bars at NASCAR events, after all.

And people who take Vaush seriously should not be taken seriously by anyone else, regardless of their political views.

Charting it's course? What exactly are you smoking? How would Rak and Whitetrake chart the course? By turning people away?

News flash, the people who would be turned away, are people who are dumb enough to fall for the Left's framing. And that framing is designed to make principled little independents like you compromise and vote blue when they really need it. It's all a work.

Accepting the Left's frame is utter idiocy.

 

[Bacle]

I can accept that. I have a libertarian-left friend who more or less plays that role. I ask him for thoughts from his perspective from time to time.

You, on the other hand, have demonstrated a complete inability to wrap your mind around key things such as:
1. The entire modern green movement is a fraud, and those who've been deceived by said fraud.

Wrong, and I'll list just a few examples of where the 'greens' have been right.

1) Ocean plastic/garbage patches; they are real, but luckily mitigation is a real and viable way to address the plastic/garbage that 'greens' have complained about. @Spartan303 can even attest to this, as he's kept up with some of those efforts.

2) The Ozone layer was in danger because of CFCs, and the hole in it shrank after CFCs were banned in refrigeration units; was an easy switch over and did measurably help deal with an issue.

3) Biodiversity loss/habitat destruction is a real issue, particularly thanks to the CCP poaching fleets that are stripping countries fisheries bare and destroying reef ecosystems to make their South China Sea sand castles/bases.

These were just a few 'green issues' that are provably not bullshit or frauds.

2. Actual racists are rare in the Republican party, much less the right as a whole, and have no power within the movement as a whole, though a couple local chapters here and there are influenced.

Yet it's still not Dem voters waving the Stars and Bars at NASCAR events.

Until the Right truly wants to reckon with how many racists love to hide under it's skirt, because they're brand of upfront racism is not allowed in the more ivory tower racism of the Left, they will still have problems dealing with that issue.

3. The Christian Conservative movement is an integral part of the right, and without it the political right will not win another major federal election in this generation.

The Christian Conservative part of the Right will never be able to, and has never been able to, accomplish shit without the libertarian and classical liberal parts of the Right helping them out.

The Christian Conservative part of the Right is also where a lot of the racists like to hide, because the libertarian and classical liberal types are more willing to 'punch Right' than the Christian Conservative part.

And this all ignores that it is populism, not conservatism, which is the main driver on the Right, now. Though given you are damn near a YEC, due to your views on evolution, I guess it shouldn't be surprising you are out of touch with reality that doesn't conform to your biases.

When you keep repeating the propaganda lines of the left, it shows that you haven't actually escaped their mental trap in many key ways, and how your perception and judgement are both compromised.

And your shit shows you've swallowed the internal propaganda of the Right, and do not want to hear how the Right looks from the outside looking in, just like many others who were born and bred in the Right.

And as I've said, I wish we had a viable third party so I wouldn't be stuck having to support the modern GOP in order to fight the insanity that has taken over the Dems.

>in certain areas
Back to the old saying, offense is taken, never given. Also you may have a rather inaccurate polling regarding the wider US population.
We are not "in a certain area", whatever you mean.

I think I have a better idea what the response to that slur would be in the US compared to you, because you still look at the US through the eyes of foreigner who mostly likes the US for our nuclear umbrella over your Polish ass.

And no, we aren't in 'certain areas', but it still doesn't mean that slur is 'ok, or that people shouldn't be warned what can happen if you use it in the US in-person.

Malema tells Zondo being called a 'house negro' not an insult, but 'academic criticism' | The Citizen

'It is criticism and can even be an academic criticism and that's how she characterises the African judges who are sitting there,' argues the EFF leader.

www.citizen.co.za

South African race communists use it, quoting US race communists while at it.
BLM and Antifa should not be getting away with what they do even if every single white American was waking up and yelling "house black" loudly as part of his morning ritual.

You do understand a black person calling another black person a 'house black' is still a massive insult and likely to cause a fight as well?

"likely to happen"? As in what, a lightning from blue sky?
You are trying to excuse murder over insults, don't sugarcoat it.
If you want to argue that this is a reasonable way to run a civilized society, at least make it equal all around, instead of giving special status to certain parties and insults, and have your medieval\middle eastern style society where people murder each other over all sorts of perceived insults.

'Reasonable', no; realistic, yes. Human's are more like Klingons than Vulcans, and I just don't care to pretend otherwise for the sake of appearances.

I deal with the world as it is, not as I wish it to be, and the reactions to that slur (depending on the person and location) could definitely get violent.

And they still would get their ass into prison for it.

Maybe, maybe not; the US Embassy and US media would have a say, after all.

Germany also wouldn't really want to work to hard to defend someone who used that slur against an African-American visiting their country, either, I suspect.

In some parts of the world you would get an asskicking or even worse for supporting gay marriage. Is that something you want to be a conversation ending argument in other matters too? What is it with this roundabout celebration of mob violence?

Considering I don't really have any plans to travel to nations where it is illegal, and those nations have no power over US domestic politics or laws, it doesn't matter.

And frankly, sometimes mob violence is justified; just ask the French.

They get shat on when they ITG, and so shall you.

You mistook my explaining how that slur would be taken and why as ITG, mostly because you are looking for any excuse to rant at me, as proven in pretty much any interaction we've had over the past few months.

You have problems with how I view the Right, how I view the US DoD that provides your nation's nuclear umbrella, and you are using any excuse you can find to rant at me, often actually ignoring or misrepresenting what I say.

The only reason I don't have you on ignore is because you are a mod, and I cannot put you on ignore.

If that is so, then you need to replace antifa wannabe DAs.

Easier said than done, given the state of the US electoral and political scene.

The reality of politics you are talking about here is about power, who holds it, and who uses to shape it to own liking.
Those who swing a fist or pull a trigger are engaging in that process, legally or not.
Where do you stand on it? Should it be legal, and if so, would it be fair if people were reacting the same way to you calling them racists, and right wing DAs were considering that an ok excuse to do so?

I think the 'fighting words' and 'mutual combat' concepts are better for the US overall than the overly lawyer-ed, overly litigated, overly regulated society we have now, and think many laws on the books are about giving layers more work, and letting politicians appear 'tough on crime' while making actual crime stats worse in the long run and making it so minor crimes become the start of criminal careers, because ex-cons are left with no other choice to survive.

I think the US 'justice system' is a joke these days, meant to feed the very profitable prison industry, and all we have to do is look at how the Jan 6th political prisoners are being treated.

And if someone wants to do a duel at high noon, so long as they do it somewhere no stray rounds will hit bystanders or damage other people's property, they should be able to.

You can tell me you wouldn't do it personally, but here you're practically lamenting the fact that he can get away with it in Germany.

I'm saying what would happen in the US and why.

And it is less 'lamenting' he's in Germany than getting dogpiled for explaining why this would happen in the US, to foreigners who just want to 'tut-tut' about me even saying the reality of the situation, because they still believe the 'shining city on the hill' bullshit Reagan sold the world about the US.

Charting it's course? What exactly are you smoking? How would Rak and Whitetrake chart the course? By turning people away?

News flash, the people who would be turned away, are people who are dumb enough to fall for the Left's framing. And that framing is designed to make principled little independents like you compromise and vote blue when they really need it. It's all a work.

Accepting the Left's frame is utter idiocy.

And here you just repeat the same 'anything that calls out the flaws of the Right is doing the Left's work' bullshit.

Newsflash, people like Rak, Whitestrake, and a certain piece of cooked explosive have been cheering on Nick Feuntes, who is trying to push this shit into the 'mainstream' of the non-establishment Right. So yes, they are trying to chart the course of the Right, both by driving away people in the center and trying to get people like Nick Feuntes into office.

But yet again, the Right doesn't like hearing how it looks from the outside, and just wants to keep only listening to internal propaganda.

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

And here you just repeat the same 'anything that calls out the flaws of the Right is doing the Left's work' bullshit.

Newsflash, people like Rak, Whitestrake, and a certain piece of cooked explosive have been cheering on Nick Feuntes, who is trying to push this shit into the 'mainstream' of the non-establishment Right. So yes, they are trying to chart the course of the Right, both by driving away people in the center and trying to get people like Nick Feuntes into office.

But yet again, the Right doesn't like hearing how it looks from the outside, and just wants to keep only listening to internal propaganda

Fuentes is largely a lolcow last I checked. You are being paranoid.

 

[Marduk]

I think I have a better idea what the response to that slur would be in the US compared to you, because you still look at the US through the eyes of foreigner who mostly likes the US for our nuclear umbrella over your Polish ass.

And no, we aren't in 'certain areas', but it still doesn't mean that slur is 'ok, or that people shouldn't be warned what can happen if you use it in the US in-person.
You do understand a black person calling another black person a 'house black' is still a massive insult and likely to cause a fight as well?

Should all of you living in more right wing areas of USA or the world in general begin to similarly flippantly warn you when you argue for the more leftie of your opinions?

'Reasonable', no; realistic, yes. Human's are more like Klingons than Vulcans, and I just don't care to pretend otherwise for the sake of appearances.

You don't live in Afghanistan or Libya you kek.

Monkey attack in Libya sparks tribal clashes that kill more than a dozen

Three men turn a pet monkey loose on a schoolgirl, prompting retaliation that escalates into use of tanks and mortars

www.theguardian.com

We call people who act this way uncivilized barbarians and we build walls to keep them out.
At least where my Polish ass resides, dunno if you Americans finally decided to have your own.

Poland completes 186-kilometre border wall with Belarus
I deal with the world as it is, not as I wish it to be, and the reactions to that slur (depending on the person and location) could definitely get violent.
Maybe, maybe not; the US Embassy and US media would have a say, after all.

You don't deal with the world as it is, you deal with the world of your wishful thinking, which is quite a different world than the one everyone else lives in.

Germany also wouldn't really want to work to hard to defend someone who used that slur against an African-American visiting their country, either, I suspect.
Considering I don't really have any plans to travel to nations where it is illegal, and those nations have no power over US domestic politics or laws, it doesn't matter.
Poland completes 186-kilometre border wall with Belarus
And frankly, sometimes mob violence is justified; just ask the French.
You mistook my explaining how that slur would be taken and why as ITG, mostly because you are looking for any excuse to rant at me, as proven in pretty much any interaction we've had over the past few months.

No, as you can see, it's not just me. In the civilized world street violence is a much bigger deal than *any* slur, which is a point everyone is trying to hammer into your thick skull.

The only reason I don't have you on ignore is because you are a mod, and I cannot put you on ignore.

That makes you the second person to say that, and if you find out who is the other one that may in fact make you rethink your attitude.

Easier said than done, given the state of the US electoral and political scene.
I think the 'fighting words' and 'mutual combat' concepts are better for the US overall than the overly lawyer-ed, overly litigated, overly regulated society we have now, and think many laws on the books are about giving layers more work, and letting politicians appear 'tough on crime' while making actual crime stats worse in the long run and making it so minor crimes become the start of criminal careers, because ex-cons are left with no other choice to survive.

Be careful what you wish for, you may get it. And it won't be the world you are imagining it to be. If we interpret "fighting words" so loosely, the state of ideological discourse in the US is such that the hot rhetoric thrown around everyday may aswell be considered a declaration of civil war.
In the world you are wishing for, your problem of "ex cons left with no other choice" would not exist, because they would be hanging out from trees here and there instead of being ex-cons.

I think the US 'justice system' is a joke these days, meant to feed the very profitable prison industry, and all we have to do is look at how the Jan 6th political prisoners are being treated.
Poland completes 186-kilometre border wall with Belarus
And if someone wants to do a duel at high noon, so long as they do it somewhere no stray rounds will hit bystanders or damage other people's property, they should be able to.
I'm saying what would happen in the US and why.

And yet you still fail to realize that your particular ridiculous mixture of contradictory libertarian lite and left wing views is not something that the majority of US public agrees with, it's something probably less than 1% agrees with.

 

[Bacle]

Fuentes is largely a lolcow last I checked. You are being paranoid.

And yet he's still got plenty of followers, and people who think his politics are what the American Right should be adopted.

You can say it's being paranoid, but just because someone is 'paranoid' does not mean they are wrong.

I mean look at all the people who worried about nasty-side effects with teh Wu Flu vax's, and were called 'paranoid' or 'conspiracy theorist' and yet have been proven right months/years later when studies started to show what they were warning about, yet the media dismissed.

Should all of you living in more right wing areas of USA or the world in general begin to similarly flippantly warn you when you argue for the more leftie of your opinions?

Perhaps maybe the Left has a point, now and then, if you think I argue for their views to much for your liking?

Because frankly the Right is so up it's own ass about 'prove how Right Wing you are and prove how much you hate the Left' these days it's just proving horseshoe theory yet again.

You don't live in Afghanistan or Libya you kek.

Monkey attack in Libya sparks tribal clashes that kill more than a dozen

Three men turn a pet monkey loose on a schoolgirl, prompting retaliation that escalates into use of tanks and mortars

www.theguardian.com

We call people who act this way uncivilized barbarians and we build walls to keep them out.
At least where my Polish ass resides, dunno if you Americans finally decided to have your own.

You forget the US had the Wild West, and the Wild West ain't dead, and is not much more 'civilized' than it was initially.

Plus, well, law of the jungle is how many depressed urban areas operate when it comes to street level stuff, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. I was lucky enough to actually get to know people from those sorts of areas in school and at work, and have no illusions about how life works in those areas and how hard it is to change it.

And I have no doubt that someone using the slur 'house black' against an African-American in those areas would not be walking away from it without at least a broken nose, or perhaps just a general social media doxxing to ruin their life, if the person slurred against is a bit more canny about their vengeance.

You don't deal with the world as it is, you deal with the world of your wishful thinking, which is quite a different world than the one everyone else lives in.

The only one here engaged in wishful thinking is you, because you still cling to the 'shining city on a hill' bullshit Reagan sold the rest of the world about the US.

No, as you can see, it's not just me. In the civilized world street violence is a much bigger deal than *any* slur, which is a point everyone is trying to hammer into your thick skull.

Spare me the 'civilized nations' bullshit you Euro's are so fond of trying use against American's who don't go along with Reagan's 'shining city on a hill' bullshit.

I told you how things are likely to go in the some parts of the US and why, and you and others have not been able to accept that reality doesn't fit your vision of a 'civilized US', so you keep dogpiling me.

That makes you the second person to say that, and if you find out who is the other one that may in fact make you rethink your attitude.

Actually I do know who it was, because I was there when he said it, and the reason I am saying it is much different than why he did.

Be careful what you wish for, you may get it. And it won't be the world you are imagining it to be. If we interpret "fighting words" so loosely, the state of ideological discourse in the US is such that the hot rhetoric thrown around everyday may aswell be considered a declaration of civil war.

Have you seen the state of the modern US lately; we already have a cold Civil War going on.

Bringing back 'fighting words'/'mutual combat' concepts is already happening, just under Lefty terminology and using Lefty tactics. And it fucking works for them, unlike most of what the American right tries to accomplish.

In the world you are wishing for, your problem of "ex cons left with no other choice" would not exist, because they would be hanging out from trees here and there instead of being ex-cons.

Actually, the 'ex-cons wouldn't exist' wouldn't be the case, as not all ex-cons are in jail for crimes the general public would lynch them for.

For example, dad's who killed guys that sold their daughters into sex slavery and ended up in prison for it wouldn't be attacked, they'd be treated as hero's. Same with people who scam/steal from megacorps, or other 'Robin Hood' type crimes.

And yet you still fail to realize that your particular ridiculous mixture of contradictory center-right and left wing views is not something that the majority of US public agrees with, it's something probably less than 1% agrees with.Poland completes 186-kilometre border wall with Belarus

A large amount of the American public believe everything the TV news tells them, without doing any research of their own, and another large part of the US just ignores anything that doesn't fit their preconceived biases, so I do not care if I am in a minority position on some issues.

 

[Agent23]

.You don't deal with the world as it is, you deal with the world of your wishful thinking, which is quite a different world than the one everyone else lives in.

Wishful thinking, dude, you are making rhe assumption that the opposition here can think.
We are talking about somebody that "thinks" on the basis of the latest headline and/or the top of his Twitter stream.

The guy is a joke, I suspect he has obsessive compulsive disorder, or bipolar disorder, or one of the new modern " diseases" that used to get cured with a good spanking in youth.Now they are treated with drugs that enrich Big Pharma and make the subject dumber.

That said, you are a bigger royalist than the king where Murikah is concerned.

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

And yet he's still got plenty of followers, and people who think his politics are what the American Right should be adopted.

You can say it's being paranoid, but just because someone is 'paranoid' does not mean they are wrong.

I mean look at all the people who worried about nasty-side effects with teh Wu Flu vax's, and were called 'paranoid' or 'conspiracy theorist' and yet have been proven right months/years later when studies started to show what they were warning about, yet the media dismissed.

What exactly is the issue here, then? To my understanding Rak has strong opinions on immigration. At this point I can't help but be skeptical of people who think "we live here and want to handle our problems first" is extreme or evil or racist.

In fact the constant tone policing, the eagerness to point out racism, can you even be sure it's organically 'you'? We it ever your idea?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Saying that someone has followers on Twitter as evidence of their voice is truly worthless.

The blind and idiotic have always had followers.

 

[Agent23]

Saying that someone has followers on Twitter as evidence of their voice is truly worthless.

The blind and idiotic have always had followers.

And outright grifters like Musk.

 

[Bacle]

What exactly is the issue here, then? To my understanding Rak has strong opinions on immigration. At this point I can't help but be skeptical of people who think "we live here and want to handle our problems first" is extreme or evil or racist.

'Strong opinions on immigration' does not at all justify calling Snoop Dogg a 'house black', given Snoop was born in the US.

No, the 'house black' slur was him trying to be 'edgy' and he crossed the line with it, because the same people who know Rak by that name also know what he has said elsewhere about his views on non-whites.

In fact the constant tone policing, the eagerness to point out racism, can you even be sure it's organically 'you'? We it ever your idea?

It's not 'tone policing' to call out that 'house black' is a slur and what would happen to people who used in in some parts of the US.

Saying that someone has followers on Twitter as evidence of their voice is truly worthless.

The blind and idiotic have always had followers.

It's not just Twitter though.

We've had Feuntes fanboy's here too, and they keep trying to push further into the GOP because for some reason they think the stolen election of 2020 means its the perfect time to try to wiggle their bullshit farther into the platform's of the Right.

 

[Marduk]

Perhaps maybe the Left has a point, now and then, if you think I argue for their views to much for your liking?

Because frankly the Right is so up it's own ass about 'prove how Right Wing you are and prove how much you hate the Left' these days it's just proving horseshoe theory yet again.

You arguing for the left's views a lot is not an argument for them being right, it's an argument for you being stubborn.

You forget the US had the Wild West, and the Wild West ain't dead, and is not much more 'civilized' than it was initially.

Plus, well, law of the jungle is how many depressed urban areas operate when it comes to street level stuff, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. I was lucky enough to actually get to know people from those sorts of areas in school and at work, and have no illusions about how life works in those areas and how hard it is to change it.

And that's not how cities should work, this is why so many mock democrat management of cities. It's also the same cities whose political management would be horrified at most comparisons to the Wild West, starting with Wild West's attitude towards guns and law enforcement.

And I have no doubt that someone using the slur 'house black' against an African-American in those areas would not be walking away from it without at least a broken nose, or perhaps just a general social media doxxing to ruin their life, if the person slurred against is a bit more canny about their vengeance.

There were no social media in the Wild West. You either want the world of antifa city, the world of Wild West, or the world of traditionalist industrial age USA, with all the pros and cons of it, make up your mind, you can't pick all the pros and none of the cons of all 3.
What you are arguing for here is the latter, which really defeats your own point here in an ironic way, because in effect that means "soft segregation", where some people have really watch their mouths in some areas, and the same goes for people from those areas when they go somewhere else.

The only one here engaged in wishful thinking is you, because you still cling to the 'shining city on a hill' bullshit Reagan sold the rest of the world about the US.
Spare me the 'civilized nations' bullshit you Euro's are so fond of trying use against American's who don't go along with Reagan's 'shining city on a hill' bullshit.

You think the deception here is that people buy this ideal as reality while it's not.
While for a lot of the world it doesn't matter, good enough for government work.

I told you how things are likely to go in the some parts of the US and why, and you and others have not been able to accept that reality doesn't fit your vision of a 'civilized US', so you keep dogpiling me.

You can stop pretending that you are the only American on this forum and your word on what USA is like is absolute.

Actually I do know who it was, because I was there when he said it, and the reason I am saying it is much different than why he did.
Have you seen the state of the modern US lately; we already have a cold Civil War going on.

No, the reason is the same, you're just doing it from a different political direction.
And a cold civil war is nothing like the proper one would be, which is what i have referred above.

Bringing back 'fighting words'/'mutual combat' concepts is already happening, just under Lefty terminology and using Lefty tactics. And it fucking works for them, unlike most of what the American right tries to accomplish.

It only works for them as long as it is one sided. Once the other side starts acting this way they run at lightspeed to cry to media, NGOs, lawyers and the government.

Actually, the 'ex-cons wouldn't exist' wouldn't be the case, as not all ex-cons are in jail for crimes the general public would lynch them for.

For example, dad's who killed guys that sold their daughters into sex slavery and ended up in prison for it wouldn't be attacked, they'd be treated as hero's.

A large amount of the American public believe everything the TV news tells them, without doing any research of their own, and another large part of the US just ignores anything that doesn't fit their preconceived biases, so I do not care if I am in a minority position on some issues.

In Wild West people with extra rare backstories like these would not be in prison.
In reality, 90%+ of ex-cons don't have stories like that.

Same with people who scam/steal from megacorps, or other 'Robin Hood' type crimes.

What kind of antifa city bullshit is that?

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

Strong opinions on immigration' does not at all justify calling Snoop Dogg a 'house black', given Snoop was born in the US.

No, the 'house black' slur was him trying to be 'edgy' and he crossed the line with it, because the same people who know Rak by that name also know what he has said elsewhere about his views on non-whites

I'm gonna be honest here you're carrying an incredible amount of water for someone who would find you far too right wing and is basically a regime hostage.