SoliFortissimi
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...and come off as utter idiots, because everyone will remember how they themselves came from immigrant families.one needs to undermine the whole ‘the USA is a nation of immigration’ nonsense.
...and come off as utter idiots, because everyone will remember how they themselves came from immigrant families.one needs to undermine the whole ‘the USA is a nation of immigration’ nonsense.
I did?...and come off as utter idiots, because everyone will remember how they themselves came from immigrant families.
So close, yet so far.I did?
If I have to go back over three generations...yeah, I'm not really related to immigrants. At that point, I'm born and bred.
Exactly!I did?
If I have to go back over three generations...yeah, I'm not really related to immigrants. At that point, I'm born and bred.
WTH does that mean?
All four of my grandparents are descended from English (and Scottish) people who were here before the revolution, two of them are from families who were here during the 1600s. I no more "come from immigrants" than an English person in England "comes from immigrants." If your great grandparents were here in the 1800s you aren't "descended" from immigrants and anyway that policy wasn't all that popular at the time either. It's more accurate to say the government has been forcing waves of immigration on a population who didn't want it for a century and a half....and come off as utter idiots, because everyone will remember how they themselves came from immigrant families.
Women of ‘The View’ associate the Eclipse and the recent earthquake in New York with climate change. This is not a meme, they actually did it.
Pictured: a man denies being descended from immigrants after describing exactly when and where his ancestors immigrated from.All four of my grandparents are descended from English (and Scottish) people who were here before the revolution, two of them are from families who were here during the 1600s. I no more "come from immigrants" than an English person in England "comes from immigrants." If your great grandparents were here in the 1800s you aren't "descended" from immigrants and anyway that policy wasn't all that popular at the time either. It's more accurate to say the government has been forcing waves of immigration on a population who didn't want it for a century and a half.
My mom's dad was I think second or third generation? Immigrant. His grand dad was from French Canada, if not his dad. And his family was in Canada well before the 1800, but he wasn't in America till the 1900s from what I last checkedAll four of my grandparents are descended from English (and Scottish) people who were here before the revolution, two of them are from families who were here during the 1600s. I no more "come from immigrants" than an English person in England "comes from immigrants." If your great grandparents were here in the 1800s you aren't "descended" from immigrants and anyway that policy wasn't all that popular at the time either. It's more accurate to say the government has been forcing waves of immigration on a population who didn't want it for a century and a half.
Yes, if you stretch the definition of a word far past it's breaking point you can easily refute any arguments. On the other hand, only people arguing in the worst kind of bad faith are going to say that a 7th generation citizen of a country is by any definition an immigrant. Take your intellectual grandstanding back to SV.Pictured: a man denies being descended from immigrants after describing exactly when and where his ancestors immigrated from.
This is why I keep saying that nobody here is serious. It's like reverse SV in here. What's the problem in just going "alright, we don't want immigrants crowding our city"? Why do you have to try to make up easily refuted, nonsensical pseudo-intellectual arguments?
immigrants move into a prosperous country.Pictured: a man denies being descended from immigrants after describing exactly when and where his ancestors immigrated from.
This is why I keep saying that nobody here is serious. It's like reverse SV in here. What's the problem in just going "alright, we don't want immigrants crowding our city"? Why do you have to try to make up easily refuted, nonsensical pseudo-intellectual arguments?
The definition of an immigrant is literally just someone who lives in a country he wasn't born in and makes it his home. Which describes the ancestors of every single person in the US who isn't an immigrant themselves.Yes, if you stretch the definition of a word far past it's breaking point
No, immigrants are just people who move into another country. That's it. Pioneers are just immigrants who staked their claim before other immigrants from their own country. The natives, of course, lived there for centuries before any Englishman did- but were incapable of defending their claims.immigrants move into a prosperous country.
pioneers move into an empty plot of land and build a country from scratch.
those are not the same.
Nah you want to be reductive? Those natives the pioneers displaced were merely immigrants who killed and displaced the previous natives. And so on and so on back to the beginning of human existence. Taking that reductive a view of things just endlessly spirals.The definition of an immigrant is literally just someone who lives in a country he wasn't born in and makes it his home. Which describes the ancestors of every single person in the US who isn't an immigrant themselves.
So once again, let's be serious here. No need to make spurious arguments to distract from the real arguments.
No, immigrants are just people who move into another country. That's it. Pioneers are just immigrants who staked their claim before other immigrants from their own country. The natives, of course, lived there for centuries before any Englishman did- but were incapable of defending their claims.
Oh, well, sucks to be them.
That's invaders, not immigrants. Germans weren't immigrating to France in 1941, they were invading it.Nah you want to be reductive? Those natives the pioneers displaced were merely immigrants who killed and displaced the previous natives. And so on and so on back to the beginning of human existence. Taking that reductive a view of things just endlessly spirals.
The word you are looking for is sold.No, immigrants are just people who move into another country. That's it. Pioneers are just immigrants who staked their claim before other immigrants from their own country. The natives, of course, lived there for centuries before any Englishman did- but were incapable of defending their claims.
Oh, well, sucks to be them.
Some of the time.The word you are looking for is sold.
The natives sold lands to european migrants.
Then they tried to steal back the lands they sold. In a series of wars that they started, and then lost.