Food Pyramid Is A Pyramid Scam (or how USDA poisons you)

[S'task]

Yeah you’re right in that regard, I’ll retract my statement.

I was clearly ill informed when making that comment.

Note, you're not wrong that our lifestyles have become more sedentary since the 1970s though, and that DOES play a role. It's a combination of things and I suspect that even if one of those thing didn't change we'd still be seeing an increase in obesity and related diseases. The food could have remained the same, but our decreased physical activity would have caused general population weight gain... or if we'd somehow remained as active the change to the food would be causing issues.

 

[Blasterbot]

As much as people wish there was a single solution to these things there isn't. the solution is increased physical activity and better diet. which means both better portion control and eating healthier. unfortunately it seems that the decades of dieting fads and competing corporate and government interests have made finding good information difficult. see how eggs can in one study be deemed a very good healthy food and in another be a leading cause of cancer, high blood pressure, and a half a dozen other things that make you never want to eat them again. and that doesn't get into how different people have different dietary needs based on activity levels and genetic predispositions.

 

[Aldarion]

Note, you're not wrong that our lifestyles have become more sedentary since the 1970s though, and that DOES play a role. It's a combination of things and I suspect that even if one of those thing didn't change we'd still be seeing an increase in obesity and related diseases. The food could have remained the same, but our decreased physical activity would have caused general population weight gain... or if we'd somehow remained as active the change to the food would be causing issues.

But food is also connected to activity. When I was eating "standard food pyramid" diet, I constantly lacked energy and couldn't even really work. After switching to keto-paleo diet, surprise surprise, my general energy level went up and I even gained will to actually work out.

 

[Aldarion]

Anyway, I decided to start a food blog:

Introduction and My Dietary Experiences

I am 30-odd years old, and an endomorph with slow metabolism. I live in Croatia, which is traditionally considered to have a healthy diet – but for majority of people living here, nothing could be …

butterbinn.wordpress.com

 

[Aldarion]

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

And to Adam he said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;


Humans were designed or rather redesigned to live as subsistence farmers, substance gathers and hunters eating what they grew or kill, they weren't designed to not toil nor were they really designed to be gathered all in one place. to put in video game terms, it's the default trait that provides no special buffs but no penalties either Not saying anything besides that is an abomination, but anything aside from this default setting comes with its penalties. You got to ask if those penalties are worth the buffs. Personally, I'm on the fence.

 

[Aldarion]

 

[colorles]

Anyway, I decided to start a food blog:

Introduction and My Dietary Experiences

I am 30-odd years old, and an endomorph with slow metabolism. I live in Croatia, which is traditionally considered to have a healthy diet – but for majority of people living here, nothing could be …

butterbinn.wordpress.com

I'll give it a look

And to Adam he said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;


Humans were designed or rather redesigned to live as subsistence farmers, substance gathers and hunters eating what they grew or kill, they weren't designed to not toil nor were they really designed to be gathered all in one place. to put in video game terms, it's the default trait that provides no special buffs but no penalties either Not saying anything besides that is an abomination, but anything aside from this default setting comes with its penalties. You got to ask if those penalties are worth the buffs. Personally, I'm on the fence.

Yes, indeed. Grains for instance - which receive so much of a bad wrap these days - are meant to be eaten by farms that worked the fields all day. Not by sedentary couch potatoes.

Full carnivore dies are unnecessary at best; and potentially harmful at worse. Yeah, the Inuit and some Siberian tribes traditionally eat fully carnivore, often raw meats at that; but their foods are of much higher quality than what the standard westerner can buy at a market, and they eat all the organs as well. And even then, those peoples are particularly adapted to the fully carnivorous diet and metabolize excess animal fats and proteins more efficiently than other groups of people.

Honestly, just exercise/live and active life and get decent sleep for starters. And eat real food without additives. Real meats, with occasional organs; real whole grains like rice and beans; oils like olive oil (but avoid most seed oils); eggs (preferably from a good source like a local farm if possible, but you can't be too picky in the modern western world); and some fruits and vegetables from time to time. Nuts to snack on. It doesn't have to be over complicated; just like an active life, get some good sleep and eat a bunch of whole foods.

The biggest "x factor" that none of us can really control at the moment, is environmental pollutants like pesticides, micro plastics, genetically modified foods, and other industrial pollutants in the environment and thus, the food supply. All of this stuff is in the foods we eat; very few people are lucky enough to avoid this i.e. they live around a bunch of local farms in rural areas, and even then they can't completely avoid environmental pollutants. It's just a fact of the modern world, and it is taking a heavy toll on humanity, particularly the testosterone levels of men.

And one more thing: bread is not an evil word. It's just that most people do not eat actual, real bread. Same thing with dairy; not an evil word. But comparing store bought cows milk to actual fresh farm milk from grass fed cattle, is like comparing drinking chalk to drinking the richest milk shake you can imagine. Doesn't even compare.

For example, this:

and this:

Do not combine to make, or in any way compare, to real food like this:

Not being a food snob. But that's just facks. Real bread and real cheese is some of the most nourishing foods a person can eat and entire nations still live on food like this.

Also, the crock pot is your friend. Every Sunday I'll make a Sunday roast. Beef or pork roast with potatoes, carrots, maybe a leek if I have one, and olive oil. Simple meal can last for days if it is a big enough roast. Can slow cook chicken breast in the crock pot at well, comes out great.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

I have never really liked bread tbh, I have always preferred rice or potatoes as a source of carbs

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I'm going to pull a cop-out and say that EVERY environment and time period has it's give and take. It's just a matter of what one is willing to live with. Would you rather risk suffering issues related to obesity and sedentary lifestyles or would you rather risk issues related to living off the land and potentially risking starvation. Like I said I'm on the fence.

The problem is with everyone trying to sell their brand and image, it's hard to tell what the real benefits and consequences of "X lifestyle is" vs the sales pitches. Everything is a sales pitch, everything is a brand, and everything is a commodity to be bought and sold.

 

[Aldarion]

I'll give it a look



Yes, indeed. Grains for instance - which receive so much of a bad wrap these days - are meant to be eaten by farms that worked the fields all day. Not by sedentary couch potatoes.



Full carnivore dies are unnecessary at best; and potentially harmful at worse. Yeah, the Inuit and some Siberian tribes traditionally eat fully carnivore, often raw meats at that; but their foods are of much higher quality than what the standard westerner can buy at a market, and they eat all the organs as well. And even then, those peoples are particularly adapted to the fully carnivorous diet and metabolize excess animal fats and proteins more efficiently than other groups of people.

Honestly, just exercise/live and active life and get decent sleep for starters. And eat real food without additives. Real meats, with occasional organs; real whole grains like rice and beans; oils like olive oil (but avoid most seed oils); eggs (preferably from a good source like a local farm if possible, but you can't be too picky in the modern western world); and some fruits and vegetables from time to time. Nuts to snack on. It doesn't have to be over complicated; just like an active life, get some good sleep and eat a bunch of whole foods.

The biggest "x factor" that none of us can really control at the moment, is environmental pollutants like pesticides, micro plastics, genetically modified foods, and other industrial pollutants in the environment and thus, the food supply. All of this stuff is in the foods we eat; very few people are lucky enough to avoid this i.e. they live around a bunch of local farms in rural areas, and even then they can't completely avoid environmental pollutants. It's just a fact of the modern world, and it is taking a heavy toll on humanity, particularly the testosterone levels of men.

And one more thing: bread is not an evil word. It's just that most people do not eat actual, real bread. Same thing with dairy; not an evil word. But comparing store bought cows milk to actual fresh farm milk from grass fed cattle, is like comparing drinking chalk to drinking the richest milk shake you can imagine. Doesn't even compare.

For example, this:

and this:

Do not combine to make, or in any way compare, to real food like this:

Not being a food snob. But that's just facks. Real bread and real cheese is some of the most nourishing foods a person can eat and entire nations still live on food like this.

Also, the crock pot is your friend. Every Sunday I'll make a Sunday roast. Beef or pork roast with potatoes, carrots, maybe a leek if I have one, and olive oil. Simple meal can last for days if it is a big enough roast. Can slow cook chicken breast in the crock pot at well, comes out great.

I have never really liked bread tbh, I have always preferred rice or potatoes as a source of carbs

Bread isn't an evil word, carbs are. Carbohydrates are literally a form of sugar, meaning that if you are eating carbs, you are literally poisoning yourself. Not to mention that unlike everything else, they are completely unnecessary for human body to function. They are a good source of energy in an emergency, but that's it. Basically, if you eat them, you have to make sure to spend all that energy before sugar starts poisoning you. And fat is a better source of energy long-term anyway.

There are arguments to be made for eating fruit and some vegetables, but carbohydrates are not one of them.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Bread isn't an evil word, carbs are. Carbohydrates are literally a form of sugar, meaning that if you are eating carbs, you are literally poisoning yourself. Not to mention that unlike everything else, they are completely unnecessary for human body to function. They are a good source of energy in an emergency, but that's it. Basically, if you eat them, you have to make sure to spend all that energy before sugar starts poisoning you. And fat is a better source of energy long-term anyway.

There are arguments to be made for eating fruit and some vegetables, but carbohydrates are not one of them.

Well I workout a lot and I can tell when I haven't eaten enough carbs.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

There are arguments to be made for eating fruit and some vegetables, but carbohydrates are not one of them.

Is all I have to say to that!

 

[Aldarion]

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Is all I have to say to that!

And one more thing: bread is not an evil word. It's just that most people do not eat actual, real bread. Same thing with dairy; not an evil word. But comparing store bought cows milk to actual fresh farm milk from grass fed cattle, is like comparing drinking chalk to drinking the richest milk shake you can imagine. Doesn't even compare.

For example, this:

and this:

Do not combine to make, or in any way compare, to real food like this:

Not being a food snob. But that's just facks. Real bread and real cheese is some of the most nourishing foods a person can eat and entire nations still live on food like this.

Also, the crock pot is your friend. Every Sunday I'll make a Sunday roast. Beef or pork roast with potatoes, carrots, maybe a leek if I have one, and olive oil. Simple meal can last for days if it is a big enough roast. Can slow cook chicken breast in the crock pot at well, comes out great.

Homemade bread is marginally better than the store-bought bread, but it is still toxic for organism if eaten regularly. Fundamentally, bread being "real" or not literally does not matter, because we no longer have real ingredients. I was making my own bread for years... made no difference in the end, I still had to stop eating it.

Also, I have a 12 litre pot.

Well I workout a lot and I can tell when I haven't eaten enough carbs.

As I said: good source of energy in an emergency. On the flip side however, it could also be that you are simply too carb-adapted. When body is in the state of ketosis, it doesn't have to use carbs for energy, it utilizes fat directly.

Quite a few people workout on keto or carnivore diet and have no issues:

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Homemade bread is marginally better than the store-bought bread, but it is still toxic for organism if eaten regularly. Fundamentally, bread being "real" or not literally does not matter, because we no longer have real ingredients. I was making my own bread for years... made no difference in the end, I still had to stop eating it.

Also, I have a 12 litre pot.

As I said: good source of energy in an emergency. On the flip side however, it could also be that you are simply too carb-adapted. When body is in the state of ketosis, it doesn't have to use carbs for energy, it utilizes fat directly.

Quite a few people workout on keto or carnivore diet and have no issues:

Look, I'm going to be blunt. Press X to doubt you and your sources. I've seen way too many sales pitches on the internet to the point where I don't trust anything that doesn't come from a medical professional that I PERSONALLY TRUST, or doesn't come from personal experience.

 

[colorles]

Carb adaptation is genetic. some people can eat a ton of pasta and breads and other carbs and not put on weight, regardless of physical activity. Other people...cannot do this and NEED to be very physically active to not put on weight from a high carb diet.

On another note, if you are an olive oil man like me...avoid the Italian and Turkish oils, and any oils that are produced in a bunch of random countries. chances are, they are fake and mixed with a bunch of other unhealthy seed oils. cut for profits; big mafia business. Legit extra virgin olive oil should have a robust flavor, maybe fruity, sometimes a spice to it...but a pretty strong flavor either way. I stick to Portuguese oils; there are many great ones. Saloio is the one I use mostly because it is pretty affordable while still being a good quality. are there comparatively better tasting Portuguese olive oils? of course and i do buy them. but legit 100 percent, non-laced olive oil is really what matters to me and as a go to every day oil, for me it's Saloio

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Carb adaptation is genetic. some people can eat a ton of pasta and breads and other carbs and not put on weight, regardless of physical activity. Other people...cannot do this and NEED to be very physically active to not put on weight from a high carb diet.

Physics is physics, calories are calories. Unless your body isn't digesting the carbs (AKA, you're going to shit yourself inside out), you're going to gain weight.

It doesn't matter how 'adapted' a human is, consuming caloric excess makes you fatter.

 

[colorles]

Physics is physics, calories are calories. Unless your body isn't digesting the carbs (AKA, you're going to shit yourself inside out), you're going to gain weight.

It doesn't matter how 'adapted' a human is, consuming caloric excess makes you fatter.

Wrong. I've known Portuguese men to have literally almost died from consuming too much protein...while they can eat bread and carbs all day long and literally not get fat. On the flipside, I have known Inuit men and women that can eat five times the daily protein of that Portuguese man and be completely healthy...but can't handle carbs for shit and they get fat and unhealthy. Genetics my friend.

Not to mention, what is considered "consuming caloric excess" itself varies from person to person based on metabolism.

 

[Aldarion]

Look, I'm going to be blunt. Press X to doubt you and your sources. I've seen way too many sales pitches on the internet to the point where I don't trust anything that doesn't come from a medical professional that I PERSONALLY TRUST, or doesn't come from personal experience.

My source is my own body. Merely removing the bread solved a wealth of health issues I had.

Then you also have basics of chemistry and biology. Carbs are sugar. Simple as. And you know what sugar does to human body.

And third, we in fact have the results of the massive scale experiment:

High carb, low fat = high obesity, low health.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Wrong. I've known Portuguese men to have literally almost died from consuming too much protein...while they can eat bread and carbs all day long and literally not get fat. On the flipside, I have known Inuit men and women that can eat five times the daily protein of that Portuguese man and be completely healthy...but can't handle carbs for shit and they get fat and unhealthy. Genetics my friend.

Not to mention, what is considered "consuming caloric excess" itself varies from person to person based on metabolism.

Caloric excess is caloric excess, nobody ever got obese from eating carbs within their caloric needs.