Breaking News Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses

[Buba]

Would a tunnel as replacement be a good idea?

 

[Von_Lohengram]

One thing I've been missing from the news so far or glanced over:
Was the ship arriving or leaving? Because if it's the latter, then besides the ships crew there might also be a screwup amongst maintainance workers from Balitimore harbour being at least partially responsible rather than an error committed in Singapore or simply very bad luck.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

One thing I've been missing from the news so far or glanced over:
Was the ship arriving or leaving? Because if it's the latter, then besides the ships crew there might also be a screwup amongst maintainance workers from Balitimore harbour being at least partially responsible rather than an error committed in Singapore or simply very bad luck.

Ship was leaving port after loading cargo.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Would a tunnel as replacement be a good idea?

In a long term, yes. But the replacement bridge section can be built faster.

 

[Bacle]

It’s here:



TLDR: the people who are taking over the complex system and tech that make modern life aren’t capable of running it.

...no, this is a rather run of the mill shipping accident; losing power underway happens to a lot of ships, just not usually in such a shitty location.

Maybe stop trying to turn every event into some sort of political stunt or trying to use every event to push political narratives that have little to nothing to do with what is going on.

Did you not read the big yellow texted banner about claims about what caused this, evidence for said claims, and what the cost would be for shitting up the thread with claims that cannot be backed up?

I’m not so sure. It sounds a bit too convenient- like someone is covering their ass.

Maybe stop trying to find a grand conspiracy by the elite in every event that goes on.

You and others keep trying to shove politics into this when it has nothing to do with politics.

They literally said it could take months to years to clear the channel and that the maritime industry doesn't adapt well to situations like this since they're tunnelled into their own world. They pointed out the multi-year salvage operations that occurred before and how vulnerable other older bridges are to collisions with 100,000 ton ships.

I didn't get your perception of them stating it's business as usual, let's ignore reality at all.

I'm sure they didn't talk about political issues because they aren't political commentator and it's not even a day since the incident occurred. Literally everyone else is commenting on the politics. Not needed here.

Yeah, it is rather stupid to see all these conspiratorial/politically angled posts about this event, when politics has no part in how it happened.

It's a rather mundane shipping accident at one of the worst locations imaginable.

Would a tunnel as replacement be a good idea?

There is already a tunnel in the area, but HAZMAT cannot use it, and the bridge that gotten taken out was the designated HAZMAT corridor for the area.

So will be able to absorb some traffic, but not all of it.

 

[Scottty]

Meanwhile, people on the Internet are saying things...

Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an "absolutely brilliant strategic attack" on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War. Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled. Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution. The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge. Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won't know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute. Attack perfectly targeted. "They have figured out how to bring us down. As long as you stay away from the teeth of the US military, you can pick the US apart. We are arrogant and ignorant - lethal combination. Obama said they would fundamentally change America and they did. We are in a free-fall ride on a roller coaster right now - no brakes - just picking up speed." The footage shows the cargo ship never got in the approach lane in the channel. You have to be in the channel before you get into that turn. Location was precise/deliberate: chose a bend in the river where you have to slow down and commit yourself - once you are committed in that area there is not enough room to maneuver. Should have had a harbor pilot to pilot the boat. You are not supposed to traverse any obstacles without the harbor pilot. They chose a full moon so they would have maximum tidal shift - rise and fall. Brisk flow in that river on a normal day & have had a lot of rain recently so water was already moving along at a good pace. Hit it with enough kinetic energy to knock the load-bearing pylon out from under the highway - which fatally weakens the span and then 50 percent of the bridge fell into the water. All these factors when you look at it - this is how you teach people how to do this type of attack and there are so few people left in the system who know this. We have a Junior varsity team on the field. Tremendous navigational obstruction. Huge logistical nightmare to clean this up. Number of dead is tragic but not the whole measure of the attack. That kind-of bridge constantly under repair - always at night because there is so much traffic and they cannot obstruct that during the day. So concern is for repair guys who were on foot (out of their vehicles) working who may now be in the water - 48 degrees at most at this time of year. When you choke off Baltimore you have cut the main north-south hazardous corridor (I95) in half. Now has to go around the city - or go somewhere else. To move some of that cargo through the tunnel you may be able to get a permit but those are slow to get and require an escort system that is expensive and has to be done at night. For every $100 dollars that goes into the city, $12 comes from shipping. Believe this will cripple the city of Baltimore at a time when they do not have the resources to recover.

 

[Bacle]

Meanwhile, people on the Internet are saying things...

And why the fuck are you rebroadcasting this shit, when we already have a big old mod-post around claims of responsibility/guilt and needing to provide evidence with any claims?

Logan cannot prove shit, the idea this was an attack rather than an accident requires positive proof, and no one should be paying any attention to these sorts of political grifters who just want clicks for spreading bullshit in order to get clout.

Why must so many people on the right be fucking retards who try to make every event into some sort of conspiracy these days.

 

[Zachowon]

I will say that is 100 percent false.
This is not any kind of attack.
The ship was not turned, and I am sure the NTSB will return eith the black box (I think ships have them to for every control) and the fact that the current or wind were pretty high led to it moving.

And why the fuck are you rebroadcasting this shit, when we already have a big old mod-post around claims of responsibility/guilt and needing to provide evidence with any claims?

Logan cannot prove shit, the idea this was an attack rather than an accident requires positive proof, and no one should be paying any attention to these sorts of political grifters who just want clicks for spreading bullshit in order to get clout.

Why must so many people on the right be fucking retards who try to make every event into some sort of conspiracy these days.

Dude doesn't even cite his source.

 

[Bacle]

I will say that is 100 percent false.
This is not any kind of attack.
The ship was not turned, and I am sure the NTSB will return eith the black box (I think ships have them to for every control) and the fact that the current or wind were pretty high led to it moving.

Dude doesn't even cite his source.

The source is likely 'shit I heard on 4chan' or 'shit I heard from people who have no actual on the ground knowledge, but want clout via me'.

Meanwhile, actual credible sources are not exactly hard to find for this matter.

 

[filipina84]

The issue with that Q&A is that the people talking are industry experts who have internalized the standard/normal processes for doing things.

Business as usual? You are looking at months to years to get things back up and running.

But then you have the actual realities. This is a Presidential election year, Maryland is a Democrat heavy state whose residents make up a lot of the rank and file of the upper-middle level of the federal government and is where a lot of relatively quiet and unofficial influence lives.

This incident is also cutting off US Navy facilities which is all the justification that the DoD needs to intervene and Biden already has the statutory authority to waive essentially every bit of red tape on national security grounds.

Those factors mean that the budget to get the problem resolved is basically unlimited. Bluntly, it doesn't matter what the normal scheduling issues are for any given resource or salvage operation. The US government will just throw money and influence at whomever they have to to get jumped to the very front of the line.

This is an incident that will have a noticeable impact on headline US GDP in an election year. It is an incident that is going to threaten the livelihoods of a hundred thousand plus blue collar workers less than an hour from the White House.

Biden and the Democrats are desperate for a win, to be seen to do something effective and news worthy and that distracts the populace from their myriad failures. Butt Boy also has hopes for a long term political career and this is his opportunity to get national prominence and position himself with success - or to crash and burn hard. The Republicans also aren't going to oppose funding for this or waiving all the normal processes because doing so is political suicide in an election year if nothing else.

Butt Boy? Which politician are you referring to by this nickname?

 

[PsihoKekec]

Buttgig, likes to take it up the butt and is in charge of infrastructure, where he deals with pressing issues like racist bridges and not enough construction workers identifying as females (not kidding about anything).

 

[Husky_Khan]

In the Q&A video posted earlier they stated that a cyber attack is possible but ideally you'd need direct access to the ships computer systems whether as a crewmembers or inspector and that while hacking might be possible remotely it's still less likely. They even compared it to an airliner. Hacking a passenger airliner might be broadly similar.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Information on amount of fuel on board and status and number of containers with hazardous materials on board the vessel.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Meanwhile, people on the Internet are saying things...

This has some of the dumbest, uninformed takes I've seen in a while.
Just throwing a bunch of shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.

 

[Captain X]

It's just appalling that given how many collisions and collapses there have been, just in the US, that there wasn't already reinforced pilings in place.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

It's just appalling that given how many collisions and collapses there have been, just in the US, that there wasn't already reinforced pilings in place.

I'm pretty sure there were.

 

[Captain X]

If there were, that ship never would have hit the bridge. The entire point of what I'm talking about is to put something solid between the bridge supports and anything that might hit them. Usually that takes the form of what amounts to a big concrete island around the bridge supports, but it can literally just be pilings set out on either side of the supports. You have no idea how many videos I've watched featuring a ship colliding with a bridge and knocking at least part of it down and afterwards that's what they put in for the new bridge. But really any bridge that regular sea traffic passes under should have something like that installed just because it's something that might happen, if only because it seems to keep happening.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

This is unfortunately a freak accident.

Freak accidents happen, no matter how much you prepare for them, because a preposterous amount of things (to the point that it should be impossible) have to go wrong for them to happen.

But sometimes the stars align, your dice roll badly, and everything goes tits up.

 

[Zachowon]

If there were, that ship never would have hit the bridge. The entire point of what I'm talking about is to put something solid between the bridge supports and anything that might hit them. Usually that takes the form of what amounts to a big concrete island around the bridge supports, but it can literally just be pilings set out on either side of the supports. You have no idea how many videos I've watched featuring a ship colliding with a bridge and knocking at least part of it down and afterwards that's what they put in for the new bridge. But really any bridge that regular sea traffic passes under should have something like that installed just because it's something that might happen, if only because it seems to keep happening.

From what I hear, there were dolphins in place, the ship just happend to hit in a way it avoided them.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

If there were, that ship never would have hit the bridge. The entire point of what I'm talking about is to put something solid between the bridge supports and anything that might hit them. Usually that takes the form of what amounts to a big concrete island around the bridge supports, but it can literally just be pilings set out on either side of the supports. You have no idea how many videos I've watched featuring a ship colliding with a bridge and knocking at least part of it down and afterwards that's what they put in for the new bridge. But really any bridge that regular sea traffic passes under should have something like that installed just because it's something that might happen, if only because it seems to keep happening.

Gotcha.