Breaking News Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses

prinCZess

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Why must so many people on the right be fucking retards who try to make every event into some sort of conspiracy these days.
I...I mean, is this rhetorical? Because the answer is how numerous things were dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' over the last few years which ended up being correct, most of which involved or featured key figures in government.

Shattering confidence in a system leads to more questioning of anything told by that system--especially when its the pretty extreme set of circumstances which had to occur for this. Malice or incompetence begins to look more likely under the microscope when repeated unlikely oopsies all had to come together at the right time to produce the bridge collapse.

Dolphins?
Protective structures around the pillars of the bridge that would stop/slow boats from hitting them.

Whether or not anything could have worked or would have been economical to install seems to be a point of contention among yabo-engineers looking on from outside (and I imagine the investigation and all the details of how the ship hit are vital and going to take time to examine).
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
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I...I mean, is this rhetorical? Because the answer is how numerous things were dismissed as 'conspiracy theories' over the last few years which ended up being correct, most of which involved or featured key figures in government.

Shattering confidence in a system leads to more questioning of anything told by that system--especially when its the pretty extreme set of circumstances which had to occur for this. Malice or incompetence begins to look more likely under the microscope when repeated unlikely oopsies all had to come together at the right time to produce the bridge collapse.
There is a fine line between reasonable suspicions when things are looking fishy, and deciding every fucking breaking news event/evolving news story is part of some grand conspiracy of some sort as a kneejerk reaction.

Kneejerk conspiracy claims are what undermine legit situations where a conspiracy occurred, and doing it over situations like this is just burning credibility for the Right for no good reason.

It is incredibly frustrating to witness the Right shoot itself in the foot day in and day out over the stupidest shit, when it means the times the Right is on the ball get completely obscured by the cloud of stupidity.
 

Buba

A total creep
Dolphins?
Dolphin lives matter. A LOT. Dey endangered species - and opressed and underrepresented - so you must swerve ship aside as not to harm the cute [SQUEE!SQUEE1] darlings.
:p
[@some previous post]
Thanks for explaining that there already is a tunnel(s) but cannot be used for some types of goods, hence a bridge is necessary.
 

Lord Sovereign

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I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by all the conspiracy theories popping up about this. Much the same happened with the RMS Titanic (which was a freak accident as well. Yes mistakes were made that night, but it should have been impossible for them all to interlock together; one wonders if calling her "unsinkable" angered Poseidon). Human beings don't like the idea that life is pure chaos and I think the thought of puppet masters operating in the shadows is something of a coping mechanism.
 

Rocinante

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I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by all the conspiracy theories popping up about this. Much the same happened with the RMS Titanic (which was a freak accident as well. Yes mistakes were made that night, but it should have been impossible for them all to interlock together; one wonders if calling her "unsinkable" angered Poseidon). Human beings don't like the idea that life is pure chaos and I think the thought of puppet masters operating in the shadows is something of a coping mechanism.
That, And we lived through covid, Where being skeptical conspiracy theorists about everything ended up with the right being right about a whole lot of shit. For years our conspiracy theories were proven right, over and over again. It broke ANY of the very little trust people had in our governments.

There were memes floating around saying things like "a conspiracy theory is just a truth the public isn't ready for yet "

My very first thought when I heard this was "alright, who's up to shenanigans?"

I've seen no solid evidence of such, but it's the very first thing that entered my mind. And that always will be, for every tragedy for now on. Because I trust those in charge that little.

We are lead by evil, corrupt people who do nothing but lie. It's right to be skeptical of everything they say.
 

S'task

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I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by all the conspiracy theories popping up about this. Much the same happened with the RMS Titanic (which was a freak accident as well. Yes mistakes were made that night, but it should have been impossible for them all to interlock together; one wonders if calling her "unsinkable" angered Poseidon). Human beings don't like the idea that life is pure chaos and I think the thought of puppet masters operating in the shadows is something of a coping mechanism.
Oh they built the ship Titanic,
And when they had it through,
They said they had a ship,
That the water would not go through,
But the Lord's almighty hand,
Said that ship would never stand,
It was sad when that great ship went down,

Oh it was sad (it was sad),
It was sad (it was sad),
It was sad when that great ship went down (hit the bottom brother),
Husbands and wives,
Little children lost their lives,
It was sad when that great ship went down.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
Lights aren't power.

However, black smoke from the engine compartment? That's something else. And, at this point? We don't know what.

The black smoke is almost certainly the diesel backup generators firing up to provide emergency power after the main engines died. The power blinking back off a second time seconds before the collision was most likely a desperate last-ditch attempt to restart the main engines and stave off the collision.
 

ShadowArxxy

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in what way?

Once the tugs move a vessel from berthing, and the vessel begins to operate under its own power, tugs become unnecessary.

Once the mayday went out, tugs started to respond from every direction. They just weren't close enough to intervene before the Dali struck the piers of the bridge.

Yeah, just look at the AIS logs I mentioned yesterday. The reason the Eric McAllister was the nearest tug was that was actually the tug that had taken the Dali out of her berth, disconnecting once the ship was in the main channel and making headway. That is absolutely standard procedure, nothing wrong with it.
 

DarthOne

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The Captain stood where a Captain should
For the Law of the Sea is grim;
The Owner romped while the ship was swamped
And no law bothered him.
The Captain stood where the Captain should
When a Captain's ship goes down
But the Owner led when the women fled,
For an Owner must not drown.
The Captain sank as a man of Rank,
While his Owner turned away;
The Captain's grave was his bridge and brave,
He earned his seaman's pay.
To hold your place in the ghastly face
Of Death on the Sea at Night
Is a Seaman's job, but to flee with the mob
Is an Owner's Noble Right.
Ben Hecht, Man and Master


On the subject of Captain Smith's and Bruce Ismay's contrasting actions on the night of the sinking. Some things never change.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
On the subject of Captain Smith's and Bruce Ismay's contrasting actions on the night of the sinking. Some things never change.

A famous and eloquent poem, to be sure, but also not a particularly accurate depiction of events. Smith did not do an exemplary job; while an experienced seaman, he appears to have been paralyzed by shock/denial throughout the disaster -- while he did remain calm and at his station, he failed to provide any meaningful leadership and had to be actively prompted by his subordinates for even basic decisions.

Ismay. . . was no more guilty for leaving the ship than any other first-class passenger, having no command role on the ship despite his position with White Star, and there were apparently no women and children left in the boarding area when he took a lifeboat seat.
 

DarthOne

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A famous and eloquent poem, to be sure, but also not a particularly accurate depiction of events. Smith did not do an exemplary job; while an experienced seaman, he appears to have been paralyzed by shock/denial throughout the disaster -- while he did remain calm and at his station, he failed to provide any meaningful leadership and had to be actively prompted by his subordinates for even basic decisions.

Ismay. . . was no more guilty for leaving the ship than any other first-class passenger, having no command role on the ship despite his position with White Star, and there were apparently no women and children left in the boarding area when he took a lifeboat seat.

I stand corrected then; and thank you for pointing out my error.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
I stand corrected then; and thank you for pointing out my error.
To be fair, the poem *does* accurately reflect popular opinion in the years following the Titanic sinking. "Brute" Ismay was widely demonized and socially ostracized for being the senior surviving White Star Line official, forcing him to resign from his positions as chairman of White Star and president of the International Mercantile Marine.

In the United States, this was substantially because the newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst held a grudge against Ismay for being uncooperative with Hearst's reporters during the media coverage of an earlier White Star incident. The first major movie about the sinking of Titanic -- a movie literally made by the Nazis -- doubled down on this demonization by portraying Ismay as a greedy Jewish banker who "forced" Smith to run through the ice field at full speed.
 

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