Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

Marduk

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Considering computers keep flagging sand dunes as nudity, pretty sure this is going to result in false positives, and the police will use overkill. Also, what's to keep them from using such a system to go through your phone and look for "extremist" content?
Not this kind of scanning. The plan stated is a very strict scanning type that returns a hashcode specific to that one photo - at least that's the theory, because if used strictly even a couple pixel changes could break it. So they want "smart" algorithms to go around that...
No idea how well its gonna work.
Overall its a kind of an arms race:

The greater problem is that the existence of a polished out censorship system is a problem in of itself, because it tempts all the groups with certain amount of sociopolitical power that don't get their pet bans.
Sure, it can be only for CP now, pretty much the most uncontroversial target for such a feature one could think of.
But who believes it will stay that way?
10 years from now, when the systems will get polished, dozens of groups will be demanding that a laundry list of things be added to it - from most wanted list through gore videos to racist memes and everything the CCP doesn't want you to see. And they will all know that the system already is there and works, so no excuses.
 

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Erick Erickson and Allie Beth Stuckey were temporarily banned from Twitter for calling the transgender Olympic weightlifter from New Zealand, Laurel Hubbard, a man.

Here's what Allie Beth Stuckey, a recently birthing person, had said in a Tweet:

“Laura Hubbard failing at the event doesn’t make the inclusion fair. He’s still a man, and men shouldn’t compete against women in weightlifting,” Stuckey’s since-removed tweet read.

She got sent off to Twitter jail which prompted a response from RedStates Erick Erickson to then Tweet in response:

"This is absurd. Laurel Hubbard is a man even if Twitter doesn’t like it.”

It took two days but Erick Erickson got lobbed in Twitter time out as well.

 

Bear Ribs

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Rand Paul is the latest conservative senator to get censored, for saying that over-the-counter cloth masks are ineffective.





A badge of honor . . . leftwing cretins at Youtube banning me for 7 days for a video that quotes 2 peer reviewed articles saying cloth masks don’t work. If you want to see the banned video go to Liberty Tree


“As a libertarian-leaning Senator, I think private companies have the right to ban me if they want to, but I think it is really anti-free speech, anti-progress of science, which involves skepticism and argumentation to arrive at the truth,” Senator Paul said. “We realize this in our court systems that both sides present facts on either side of a question and complete an adversarial process to reach the truth in each case.”

Senator Paul then moved to link this debate to the field of journalism.

“Journalism isn’t far from that and in some ways, the adversarial part of the courtroom is ideally what you would find in journalism, where both sides would present facts, there is a period of argumentation and people figure out the truth for themselves,” he said. “YouTube and Google though, have become an entity so huge that they think they are the arbitrator of truth.”
 
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Aldarion

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Reddit is shadowbanning comments containing links to alternative sites. I discovered this when user on my subreddit asked several questions, including any resources on reactionary ideology I had. My response included a number of YouTube links, as well as a link to a BitChute channel. It posted normally, but when I came back several hours later, the comment was gone. I reposted it, but it got – automatically – removed again. All my attempts to get the comment back up failed.

List of videos and channels was as follows:
I did some research, and as it turns out, this is nothing new or unusual. Reddit has been secretly removing posts and comments containing links to the alternative media sites such as BitChute for some time already. BitChute links had been banned all across Reddit. Mods are not able to override these blocks. The only way to post a bitchute source in Reddit is to do it verbally, that is, to name the title of the video and say it is on the BitChute. Any attempts at direct linking will get the post or the comment shadowbanned. And it is shadowbanning. The comment looks like it posted when you post it, and if moderators see it in their spam filter and try to approve it, it looks approved, but it's not if we go back and check.

EDIT: I checked now, and it seems that the latest posts got through. It will be interesting to see whether they stay up.
 

Cherico

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Reddit is shadowbanning comments containing links to alternative sites. I discovered this when user on my subreddit asked several questions, including any resources on reactionary ideology I had. My response included a number of YouTube links, as well as a link to a BitChute channel. It posted normally, but when I came back several hours later, the comment was gone. I reposted it, but it got – automatically – removed again. All my attempts to get the comment back up failed.

List of videos and channels was as follows:
I did some research, and as it turns out, this is nothing new or unusual. Reddit has been secretly removing posts and comments containing links to the alternative media sites such as BitChute for some time already. BitChute links had been banned all across Reddit. Mods are not able to override these blocks. The only way to post a bitchute source in Reddit is to do it verbally, that is, to name the title of the video and say it is on the BitChute. Any attempts at direct linking will get the post or the comment shadowbanned. And it is shadowbanning. The comment looks like it posted when you post it, and if moderators see it in their spam filter and try to approve it, it looks approved, but it's not if we go back and check.

that might just be a violation of non compitition laws in the united states you might want to talk with a lawyer about that.
 

S'task

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that might just be a violation of non compitition laws in the united states you might want to talk with a lawyer about that.
It probably isn't, if it was Youtube doing it, yeah, it certainly would, but Reddit doesn't host videos and so isn't in competition with Bitchute. Further, if I had a guess, I'd suspect that Reddit's claimed reason for doing it has to do with people using Bitchute to post copyrighted material, which seems likely to me to be able to withstand legal scrutiny...
 

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It probably isn't, if it was Youtube doing it, yeah, it certainly would, but Reddit doesn't host videos and so isn't in competition with Bitchute. Further, if I had a guess, I'd suspect that Reddit's claimed reason for doing it has to do with people using Bitchute to post copyrighted material, which seems likely to me to be able to withstand legal scrutiny...
Reddit does host videos, they just aren't primarily a video hosting site, and most videos are links to YouTube.
 

Aldarion

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I just watched "The Truth About Shadowbanning" on BitChute, by the Corbett Report. An interesting watch.
 

S'task

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The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.

Seriously, a lot of the crap that is done online can only be accomplished because our slander and libel laws are woefully outdated and not adapted to the internet. Imagine, if you would, had those in the SB PM been able to sue the people posting the so-called expose for libel like they would have been able to do had that been published in a newspaper or broadcast by a TV or radio station...
 

S'task

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So what does this mean for the New York Times?
Basically that the New York Times will actually have to answer questions and provide evidence concerning their internal discussions regarding what they published in regards to Project Veritas. This may include communications regarding the article and researching it. This will allow Project Veritas to potentially find evidence that the NYT acted with "actual malice", a critical component of proving libel.

If actual malice can be shown and libel be proved Project Veritas can get paid out for libel, which could include monetary compensation or also force the NYTs to print a retraction that is as prominent as the original article or any other things to repair Veritas' reputation that the NYT damaged.
 

Urabrask Revealed

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During depositions, you can ask a person almost anything with very few limitations. This is the main goal of the Project Veritas Lawsuit, they get to dig into New York Time's secrets and expose them to the world. Any money they gain from the lawsuit is just icing on the cake.
Best part, if the NYT hadn't slandered Project Veritas, they wouldn't be in such a position to begin with. Talk about a self-own.
 

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