Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

[Bacle]

"Cool, new toy to fuck around with! And people will be under my control! Nice!"
t. Blackhat hacker

Oh yeah; I knew this kinda dumb shit was likely to happen.

We are headed for a cyberpunk dystopia at alarming speed, and remote kill switches can be abused to fatal ends far to easily, and not just by state actors.

People forgot the lessons of nBSG, Ghost In the Shell, and Terminator.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

People forgot the lessons of nBSG, Ghost In the Shell, and Terminator.

Bold of you to assume that the elites of this world would grok these lessons. They think they are above consequences.

 

[Cherico]

Bold of you to assume that the elites of this world would grok these lessons. They think they are above consequences.

Thing is this wouldn't be that much of a problem if they were not arrogant self rightous assholes on top of that.

Humanity has dealt with people with more money then sense for most of our history, its when they decide that have to take that power and 'change da world' that shit goes horribly wrong.

When they just live lives of incredible luxury and hedonism they honestly are more or less harmless.

 

[Captain X]

Well, I'm glad I wasn't planing on buying anything new ever.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Oh yeah; I knew this kinda dumb shit was likely to happen.

We are headed for a cyberpunk dystopia at alarming speed, and remote kill switches can be abused to fatal ends far to easily, and not just by state actors.

People forgot the lessons of nBSG, Ghost In the Shell, and Terminator.

Its not cyberpunk. You are not going to get cool hacker ninjas fighting brutal cyborg corpo-cops over a polluted concrete hellscape. You are not going to get roving gangs of punk rebels and cybernetic implants.

No, this is not Cyberpunk. This is dumber, gayer version. In this version your oppressor is a fat furry working in a pod somewhere who discovers you voted for trump 50 years ago and then shuts you down. You digital home constantly nags you to eat more soy. The hackers all work for the megacorps. Oestrogen shots are mandatory and the corpo-cops defend the right of the gangs to steal your amazon packages.

Welcome to Burgerpunk

 

[gral]

Welcome to Burgerpunk

Soyburgerpunk

 

[Zachowon]

It is not beneficial for hackers to hack cars.

This is something anyone who knows anything about that field would know

 

[Cherico]

It is not beneficial for hackers to hack cars.

This is something anyone who knows anything about that field would know

they will do so anyways for shits and giggles.

 

[Marduk]

It is not beneficial for hackers to hack cars.

This is something anyone who knows anything about that field would know

It may end up similar to the most widespread malware ecosystems.
Hackers won't hack cars.
Hackers will write software that hacks cars, and then sell it to thieves, burglars, street gangs and carjackers.

 

[Bacle]

It is not beneficial for hackers to hack cars.

This is something anyone who knows anything about that field would know

You assume all hackers are rational actors; that is a mistake.

With killswitches in cars, a hacker who's out to cause mayhem just needs to break the OS/software of the killswitch, and then signal as many cars as possible to just kill the engine in mid-transit, which would cause all sorts of problems and probably more than a few fatalities.

It's even worse with automated cars; hacker just need to crack the system, tell cars to turn left and accelerate, and bam, mass causality event on an unprecedented scale.

 

[Marduk]

You assume all hackers are rational actors; that is a mistake.

With killswitches in cars, a hacker who's out to cause mayhem just needs to break the OS/software of the killswitch, and then signal as many cars as possible to just kill the engine in mid-transit, which would cause all sorts of problems and probably more than a few fatalities.

It's even worse with automated cars; hacker just need to crack the system, tell cars to turn left and accelerate, and bam, mass causality event on an unprecedented scale.

I'll give you a better one, pretty obvious too.
Ransomware attacks, coming to your mall parking lot. Except its your car that won't start until you pay up a a couple hundred bucks or so. Sure, you can call a mechanic or towing, but its going to cost more than paying off the criminal and take way more time.

 

[Zachowon]

Except how are you supposed to pay them if you are getting ransomearwd in a parking lot?
I would need to go to Walmart to get what you need or something.

It isn't monetarily beneficial for them to go about it that way.

And no hacker no matter how evil is going to cause small town mayhem like that.

Why hack and only get a few hundred thousand when you can hack companies and get millions instantly?
Like...
Very few hackers are willing to go small scale for a lethal hack.

Have you ever looked into the type of hackers that exist?

 

[Marduk]

Except how are you supposed to pay them if you are getting ransomearwd in a parking lot?
I would need to go to Walmart to get what you need or something.

Probably some kind of gift code, or other stuff that can be done through a smartphone and isn't easily tracked.

It isn't monetarily beneficial for them to go about it that way.

And no hacker no matter how evil is going to cause small town mayhem like that.

Definitely big city before small town. Preferably one of those where police is struggling to even handle the violent crime and ordinary shoplifting is considered a nothingburger.

Why hack and only get a few hundred thousand when you can hack companies and get millions instantly?
Like...

Companies are becoming increasingly aware of such security threats and take measures.
For every successful ransomware attack against companies, thousands upon thousands fail, and its only through sheer amount of spam emails sent they get as many as they do, by trying enough times.

How often will cars get software updates? What happens when a car's support term is up?

Very few hackers are willing to go small scale for a lethal hack.

Have you ever looked into the type of hackers that exist?

Well, yeah, lethal would be more of a terrorist's domain than random hackers.
Then again, terrorists could buy software from them, much like it was the case with the big hospital hack.

 

[Bassoe]

That was fast, there's already a hack.

19-Year-Old Hacker Has Taken Control Of 25 Teslas

It looks like yet another technical crisis may be heading for Tesla if these tweets from a young hacker in Germany are anything to go by. While we're not sure whether this affects the Tesla Model 3, Y, S, or X in particular, the account user initially stated that he had gained control of over 20...

carbuzz.com

 

[JasonSanjo]

I foresee two primary ways car "hacking" would likely be used:

1) Mass scamming, in a similar vein to current spam e-mails. It doesn't matter if only one person in a hundred falls for it if you're contacting tens of thousands, you're still making big bucks. This could be pure fake, with "hackers" convincing car owners their cars have been hacked when they really haven't, or it could be real, with something simple like the car refusing to unlock unless they pay X sum of money to Y account within Z time frame. And it could all be easily done using cryptocurrencies to make tracing more difficult. And with digital payments (e.g.: Swish, digital direct bank transfers, crypto, etc) done on your phone becoming more and more common, you wouldn't even need to leave your current location to perform the payment, either.

2) Targeted hacking for the purpose of general terror attacks (e.g.: driving a car into a crowd) or assassination (either hack the car the target's in and drive it off a cliff or into oncoming traffic, or hack a nearby car and use it to run over/into the target). Could also be used as distractions or blockades to make certain crimes easier to carry out (e.g.: the police is going to have a much harder time apprehending bank robbers if civilian cars are suddenly getting hacked and rammed into pursuing police cars, or simply used to create a "blockade" behind the robbers' escape vehicle).

All of this of course assumes that automated cars have their steering in some way connected to wireless systems. If they are kept separate, then a lot of the above will be functionally impossible to carry out without physically getting into the car itself and sabotaging it.

 

[Captain X]

DirecTV to sever ties with OAN and drop the right-wing conspiracy channel later this year

One America News, the right-wing conspiracy channel favored by former President Donald Trump, will be dropped later this year by DirecTV, a spokesperson for the television carrier said Friday evening.

edition.cnn.com

 

[Cherico]

 

[Robovski]

Zach, for someone in "intelligence" you seem unaware of how some people operate. Some hackers hack because it is there, that has always been a part of the hacker culture. It's not money, it's about being able to do it or just figuring out how it works. Once it is broken, others can use it for their own purposes. Just fucking with someone is enough of a reason to do this once it becomes easy, and it becomes easy once someone figures it out for their own shits and giggles.

 

[Zachowon]

Zach, for someone in "intelligence" you seem unaware of how some people operate. Some hackers hack because it is there, that has always been a part of the hacker culture. It's not money, it's about being able to do it or just figuring out how it works. Once it is broken, others can use it for their own purposes. Just fucking with someone is enough of a reason to do this once it becomes easy, and it becomes easy once someone figures it out for their own shits and giggles.

And it is such a minor issue that so many do that it isn't something worth bringing up.
Most shit and giggled hackers are not the ones who would be able to do this and are mostly script kiddies.
The ones that are real threats are the ones who have more purpose behind them then simple dumb fun

 

[Robovski]

And it is such a minor issue that so many do that it isn't something worth bringing up.
Most shit and giggled hackers are not the ones who would be able to do this and are mostly script kiddies.
The ones that are real threats are the ones who have more purpose behind them then simple dumb fun

"Script kiddies" are the ones that do indeed do the easy dumb fun but I would never conflate them with an actual hacker and neither should you. Profit never motivated me to use my linesman handset in the 90's but curiosity did. Legitimately being inconvenienced by the codewheel on my old SSI games also got me to hack my copies with a hexadecimal editor, and I was just some teenager in the late 80s early 90s. You are severely underestimating what people can get up to without a profit motive.