What If? Galactica jumps into the middle of the Expanse Sol system.
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The entire Expanse population in Sol shits a brick. That's definitely step one.
Question though, does the rest of the refugee fleet come with the Galactica?
Question though, does the rest of the refugee fleet come with the Galactica?
Bassoe
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Earth and Mars have a bidding war over which will offer the Galactica crew more land to seek refuge upon in exchange for the design specifications of their FTL drive. The Earthling and Martian military-industry complexes switch from fearmongering to sell weapons for use against each other to justifiable fearmongering and military buildup against the Cylons.
Rhyse
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From when in BSG is the Galactica coming? And does her attending fleet come with it? Since you didn't mention the Pegasus, I assume it's either before that ship arrives, or after it's been destroyed?
Agent23
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In that case, Galactica will be bombarded with everyone looking to influence them to their side.
Problem is going to be the Polytheists on Galactica running smack into a majority monotheistic human population.
Psilons will probably shit a brick too come to think.
TL wise...1 year pre-books/series is not enough time to wipe out the Proto-molecule. By this time Protogen has already begun experimentation on it. You'll need something definitive to remove the Proto-molecule from the equation.
Problem is going to be the Polytheists on Galactica running smack into a majority monotheistic human population.
Psilons will probably shit a brick too come to think.
TL wise...1 year pre-books/series is not enough time to wipe out the Proto-molecule. By this time Protogen has already begun experimentation on it. You'll need something definitive to remove the Proto-molecule from the equation.
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Agent23
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Ok, let us say that the cultivated sociopath CEO that ran the project decided to put the project on ice temporarily and prioritize war profiteering from the Cylon war scare.
I can see him taking some of that stuff to a totally different star system with viable planets and dumping it there.
Earth and Mars were already 'Allies'....
...Who had been steadily heading towards a massive brawl in the system for decades. But Prior to the Canterbury and then Donnager incidents, things were tense but manageable.
Now? With a confirmed hostile threat to all of humanity that already has a butchers bill of 30 to 45 Billion already on its plate, you better believe that alone will draw Earth and Mars close. The Belt wont believe it until Cylon ships start showing up in system and blowing up ships.
And the Cylons are most definitely going to be hostile. Their idea of peace is enslaving the Human race. That isn't going to go well with Earth and Mars. And the Cylons will definitely go for the creepy Pseudo-incest vibe with Earth they did with the Colonials.
Cylons: "You're our parents. You're responsible for us. Lets bang!!!"
Earth/Mars: "AIs who believe their humans, think that they're our children and want also want to have sex. Hard pass, No!"
Belters: "Pashang ya, lets bang!!!"
The War, depending on when it happens. And it will happen. Could go either way. Earth and Mars are going to have to throw their fleet doctrines out and build a new one. As it is now, Earths ships have superior range in terms of weapons and firepower as Railguns are just better than Colonial Electro-thermal Kinetic canons. So I figure the first few battles will go decisively in Earth/Mars favor as the Colonials are simply not prepared for the kind of weapons they have.
The Cylons will then shift tactics. Where is the Cylon fleet? Everywhere the Earth/Mars fleet isn't. FTL gives them a massive strategic advantage in terms of tactical and strategic mobility. Until Earth and Mars can can compete on an equal or near equal footing, then the Cylons will set the pace and tone of the war as their FTL gives them the initiative.
This is going to be a very long, very bloody war that could see billions dead. And I don't see this stopping Proto-molecule research. Infact, I see it pushing it into high gear. Obviously it'll change how Protogen goes about doing it. There wont be an Eros/Venus mass experimentation situation for example. I forsee Proto-Molecule research being much more focused and tightly controlled and focused on war time goals.
Ultimately I see Humanity winning, but it'll be a hard fought victory.
...Who had been steadily heading towards a massive brawl in the system for decades. But Prior to the Canterbury and then Donnager incidents, things were tense but manageable.
Now? With a confirmed hostile threat to all of humanity that already has a butchers bill of 30 to 45 Billion already on its plate, you better believe that alone will draw Earth and Mars close. The Belt wont believe it until Cylon ships start showing up in system and blowing up ships.
And the Cylons are most definitely going to be hostile. Their idea of peace is enslaving the Human race. That isn't going to go well with Earth and Mars. And the Cylons will definitely go for the creepy Pseudo-incest vibe with Earth they did with the Colonials.
Cylons: "You're our parents. You're responsible for us. Lets bang!!!"
Earth/Mars: "AIs who believe their humans, think that they're our children and want also want to have sex. Hard pass, No!"
Belters: "Pashang ya, lets bang!!!"
The War, depending on when it happens. And it will happen. Could go either way. Earth and Mars are going to have to throw their fleet doctrines out and build a new one. As it is now, Earths ships have superior range in terms of weapons and firepower as Railguns are just better than Colonial Electro-thermal Kinetic canons. So I figure the first few battles will go decisively in Earth/Mars favor as the Colonials are simply not prepared for the kind of weapons they have.
The Cylons will then shift tactics. Where is the Cylon fleet? Everywhere the Earth/Mars fleet isn't. FTL gives them a massive strategic advantage in terms of tactical and strategic mobility. Until Earth and Mars can can compete on an equal or near equal footing, then the Cylons will set the pace and tone of the war as their FTL gives them the initiative.
This is going to be a very long, very bloody war that could see billions dead. And I don't see this stopping Proto-molecule research. Infact, I see it pushing it into high gear. Obviously it'll change how Protogen goes about doing it. There wont be an Eros/Venus mass experimentation situation for example. I forsee Proto-Molecule research being much more focused and tightly controlled and focused on war time goals.
Ultimately I see Humanity winning, but it'll be a hard fought victory.
What happens when Marco meets Zarek is what the real wild card is; also, what happens when the Cylons and Colonials get first proof of alien life and see what could happen to them on their ships when they look at the plight of the Belters. Imagine Marco with jumpdrives, not just Epstein drives.
It's unfortunately likely that the refinery/research lab on Io will be kicked into even higher gear, and without Miller or Julie to interface with it, who knows what people like Dresden and Errinwright will feel pushed to do.
It's unfortunately likely that the refinery/research lab on Io will be kicked into even higher gear, and without Miller or Julie to interface with it, who knows what people like Dresden and Errinwright will feel pushed to do.
Chiron
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Okay:
Earth is uniformly technologically outclassed by base Kobolian Technology that the Colonials and Cylons use. Cylons find the Sol System, they mop the floor easily. Their heavy ECM and hacking capabilities simply shut the Sol System Defenses down and they can engage at far longer ranges without fear of getting hit except by Golden BBs which due to their superior metallurgy and inertial compensator technology they can largely shrug off unless something critical gets hit.
Now if the Cylons are distracted elsewhere chasing Cain and for a long time, then the following needs to be done:
Inertial Compensators and Artificial Gravity stat on all Earth and Mars military ships plus colonial grade armor and sensor suites and FTLs. A large civilian exodus fleet needs to be built as well, because if the Cylons find the system within the next 20 years, there will not have been enough time to get Sol ready for a protracted siege.
Everything else is largely irrelevant till the Terran and Mars Navies are brought up to Colonial Standards to where they can go toe to toe with Cylon Warships and take a nuke strike or two as well as survive an impact with a planetary ocean at terminal velocity, and fly in planetary atmospheres, all of which Galactica demonstrated throughout its canon.
Also by necessity, Commander Adama is appointed Admiral of the Combined Human Alliance Fleet as the person with most experience in Void Warfare and Tigh is promoted to Commander. So if Cain ever eventually makes it to Earth, she is outranked and can't pull the shit she pulled as Adama can and will relieve her of command with the backing of the Terran and Mars Navies.
Earth is uniformly technologically outclassed by base Kobolian Technology that the Colonials and Cylons use. Cylons find the Sol System, they mop the floor easily. Their heavy ECM and hacking capabilities simply shut the Sol System Defenses down and they can engage at far longer ranges without fear of getting hit except by Golden BBs which due to their superior metallurgy and inertial compensator technology they can largely shrug off unless something critical gets hit.
Now if the Cylons are distracted elsewhere chasing Cain and for a long time, then the following needs to be done:
Inertial Compensators and Artificial Gravity stat on all Earth and Mars military ships plus colonial grade armor and sensor suites and FTLs. A large civilian exodus fleet needs to be built as well, because if the Cylons find the system within the next 20 years, there will not have been enough time to get Sol ready for a protracted siege.
Everything else is largely irrelevant till the Terran and Mars Navies are brought up to Colonial Standards to where they can go toe to toe with Cylon Warships and take a nuke strike or two as well as survive an impact with a planetary ocean at terminal velocity, and fly in planetary atmospheres, all of which Galactica demonstrated throughout its canon.
Also by necessity, Commander Adama is appointed Admiral of the Combined Human Alliance Fleet as the person with most experience in Void Warfare and Tigh is promoted to Commander. So if Cain ever eventually makes it to Earth, she is outranked and can't pull the shit she pulled as Adama can and will relieve her of command with the backing of the Terran and Mars Navies.
Lord Sovereign
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One result of this, as the Galactica and its fleet would soon settle in either Earth or Martian territory (as a likely autonomous region, if not an outright protectorate), is that mankind gets hold of FTL jump drives very quickly. They've hundreds of functioning examples to reverse engineer, and Colonial Humanity would be happy to show them how it works.
In time, the Kobolians would probably reconstitute their civilisation and may even grow to such an extent that they seek full blown independence. This is where a very nasty conflict between two very different human societies may come into play.
In time, the Kobolians would probably reconstitute their civilisation and may even grow to such an extent that they seek full blown independence. This is where a very nasty conflict between two very different human societies may come into play.
Are you serious? In terms of military technology, Aside from a few outlier technologies like Artificial gravity and FTL....Earth and Mars outclass pretty much everything the Colonials have.
Colonials might also have them beat in Sublight drive technology bur I'm not sure. Epstein engines have ludicrous thrust to weight ratios and have never been tested close to their maximum potential thrust.
But where it comes down too is weapons. And Sol has the Colonials and the Cylons beat. Hands down.
Sol has missiles that can engage from millions of Kilometers out with Railguns that can effectively engage a target instantly within 1000KM radius. Railguns can actually engage a lot further than that but there is a possibility of dodging if you can react fast enough. Colonial Battlestars have effective engagement envelopes of a few hundred kilometers with their heavy kinetic canons. Flack batteries seem to only effective between 5 ti 20 Kilometers out. That's insanely close by Expanse standards.
But no Cylon Capital ship is going get within that range as Expanse missile technology is ludicrous in its speed, acceleration and sheer firepower. That leaves Cylon fighters and light ships to get within Railgun and PDC range. Cylon fighters make deliciously easy targets compared to missiles and PDC networks routinely splash multiple volleys at a time.
Now let's talk about magic Cylon hacking. Dude, they had the complete understanding of Colonial computer systems and STILL required a backdoor installed on every ship in order to shut then down. That means Cylon hacking isn't so magical nor effective. It has its limits. And it's going to be even less effective against computer technology it was never designed to face. Oh sure, the Cylons can adapt over time. They might be able to crash ship to ship data links or crack encrypted transmissions. But getting inside the systems of an Earth or Martian ship, venting the Atmosphere or shutting it down is just not happening.
If the Cylons jump in force into Sol, they going to get creamed, hard.
Now in terms of general technology, we really don't know much. But there are hints Earth and the Colonials are broadly comparable in most things.
Colonials still used ammunition that looks standardized compares to wjat we use today where as people in Sol used caseless ammo that seems to be much better than what we have today and affords them greater ammo reserves. Earth and Mars have, and routinely utilize powered armor soldiers. Colonials didn't. However they did create the Cylons so there is that. Earth and Mars seem to have superior agricultural production. With Earth and Mars having a population close to what the Colonials had but only 1 real planets worth of agricultural output. However the Colonials seem to have superior shipbuilding capabilities. I mean they can build ships the size of Valkyries, Jupiter's and and Mercury class Battlestars in the same amount of time as those of their earth counterparts.
Earth has superior computer technology and holographic systems. The Colonials had virtual reality technology.
So there's give or take there between both sides. Sol better in some respects, Colonials better than others.
Umm...Colonial metallurgy was much better.
-Nothing in Sol can take a contact nuke detonation and live.
-I'm not sure that even railguns will penetrate the battlestar's hull, though I find it likely.
-PDC's have no chance of hurting anything but Vipers or missiles, which is good.
In regards to Sol missile tech: I don't think they have a chance of getting through dedicated anti-missile weaponry and Psilon fighters used in that method.
-Nothing in Sol can take a contact nuke detonation and live.
-I'm not sure that even railguns will penetrate the battlestar's hull, though I find it likely.
-PDC's have no chance of hurting anything but Vipers or missiles, which is good.
In regards to Sol missile tech: I don't think they have a chance of getting through dedicated anti-missile weaponry and Psilon fighters used in that method.
This is a bit misleading. Nukes are not very efficient in space. Infact, much of the energy is spread out across a broad surface or radiated away from the target. The Colonial ships simply have the means and the mass to tank a nuke or two. If that made them completely immune to standard munitions then the Cylons wouldn't use anything but nukes. Yet we clearly see them use standard munitions and those munitions are quite effective against Colonial Naval armor plating.
Now, I'm not discounting Colonial metallurgy and I do agree that it's better than contemporary Sol armor plating. But, Expanse missiles simply hit harder.
Only because they're meant to penetrate non-existent armor and go off inside a vessel.
Given the genre of "grimdark realistic SF" the two occupy, everything goes wrong, all the politicians screw things up, none of the technology will work together or be compatible except for things that make the situation somehow worse, and about 50 - 75% of the people die and a supposed "hopeful" ending is given that really involves a potential extinction level event for humanity.
Agent23
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The protomolecule infects the Cylons.
Again. Debatable. But this isn't about Colonials vs Earth. This is about the Cylons vs Sol and the Cylons use much thinner armor.