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Even worst,if you start from nothing you still could raise unit in one decade.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Must feel really sad for Italians bleeding so much a century ago so that they could complete the task of gathering Italia irredenta!
I don't. First, I would have liked them to have bled even more for even less gain. Second, they brought that onto themselves:
Collections: Luigi Cadorna Was The Worst
This week we’re going to break from our normal fare and take a bit of a lark. I thought I ought to substantiate the nearly endless shade towards Luigi Cadorna, Italian Army Chief of Staff fro…
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Buba
A total creep
As I never tire of pointing out, a military with 500 machine guns for 30-35 Divisions and deciding to enter the war ordered this:
If the X.1914 order for the lead vessel is somewhat explicable, the orders from III. and VI.1915 are outright criminal.
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Like in old joke - why italian army exist?
becouse thanks to that even austrian have soebody who they could beat.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
To be fair he had a stiff competition in Conrad von Hotzendorf. Josip Broz would probably never become Tito if not for his moronic Carpathian offensives, at least Enver Pasha had the brains not to repeat the folly of winter offensive in the mountains. And Gorica would likely would likely not have been lost if the front was not weakened for his ill-conceived Strafexpedition.I don't. First, I would have liked them to have bled even more for even less gain. Second, they brought that onto themselves:
Collections: Luigi Cadorna Was The Worst
This week we’re going to break from our normal fare and take a bit of a lark. I thought I ought to substantiate the nearly endless shade towards Luigi Cadorna, Italian Army Chief of Staff fro…
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
True. On the other hand, Hotzendorf at least had a logical military objective in mind - saving trapped troops - even if his attemts at it were so incompetent that costs outweighted any potential benefits. Cadorna? Nothing like such justification.
Buba
A total creep
Had the Strafexpedition been carried out to its conclusion, i.e. reaching the sea, then losing Gorica, Trst, Pola etc. would not had mattered. The 2nd and 3rd Italian Armies would have to surrender, thus depriving Italy of an army until the 800k prisoners are released after the war. Think "Sickle Cut, 1916 AD Edition"
= or MegaUberCaporetto Frankly, as a Conrad SI I would had weakened the Isonso front as to lure the Regio Esercito into the Krst and keep it focused on the breakthrough towards Laibach while I stealthily slide deep into its unprepared rear ...
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PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
But it couldn't be, logistics couldn't support such advance and Italians had advantage of interior supply lines to shuffle the troops to close the gap and supply them adequately, while Austrians struggled to bring fourth artillery, which they couldn't supply sufficiently to support the infantry. The Asiago could be tactical operation, but seeking operational breakthrough invited a failure. The worst part is that some units for this offensive were pulled from Russian front, which bit them in the ass when Brusilov launched his offensive.
@Husky_Khan I've got two questions for you:
1. Which extremely massive and intense battles other than Stalingrad can be compared to Verdun? As in, a small territory which one side pays an extremely massive amount of lives to defend?
2. How many additional World War II veterans do you think will live to age 110+? World War II veterans are unfortunately rapidly dying, but their birth years widely differ since one could have fought in World War II whether one was born in 1905 or in 1927:
I also wonder how many Soviet World War II veterans will live to age 110+. Simion Kenner came close, dying at slightly over age 109.5:
There's also this WWII Soviet veteran supercentenarian claimant, but I don't know just how reliable his claimed age is:
1. Which extremely massive and intense battles other than Stalingrad can be compared to Verdun? As in, a small territory which one side pays an extremely massive amount of lives to defend?
2. How many additional World War II veterans do you think will live to age 110+? World War II veterans are unfortunately rapidly dying, but their birth years widely differ since one could have fought in World War II whether one was born in 1905 or in 1927:
I also wonder how many Soviet World War II veterans will live to age 110+. Simion Kenner came close, dying at slightly over age 109.5:
There's also this WWII Soviet veteran supercentenarian claimant, but I don't know just how reliable his claimed age is:
Buba
A total creep
Rzhev
(that really rolls off the tongue, even for Slavs)
And Leningrad?
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
The fighting there was not as concentrated as in Stalingrad and Ržev meatgrinder, it was instead series of spaced out campaigns, plus lot of people dying of starvation.
What about Odessa 1941?
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
That was nearly as large scale or as fiercely fought.
OK; so, it looks like it qualifies for this.
The Battle of Kiev in 1941 would be another one, right?
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
No, that was an encirclement operation over wast area.
What about this? :
I don't. First, I would have liked them to have bled even more for even less gain. Second, they brought that onto themselves:
Collections: Luigi Cadorna Was The Worst
This week we’re going to break from our normal fare and take a bit of a lark. I thought I ought to substantiate the nearly endless shade towards Luigi Cadorna, Italian Army Chief of Staff fro…
What do you think about Boroevic and Armando Diaz?
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
From what I know of them, both very much earned their reputation.
Do you think that Italy could have won the war against Austria much earlier had it had someone of Diaz's caliber in charge much earlier? Or had A-H had someone less competent than Boroevic in charge?