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Yes because POLAND STONK worked so well the last…two?…times.
German-Polish Eternal Friendship/Derangement Thread, No Reparations for Participation
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Yes because POLAND STONK worked so well the last…two?…times.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
*rolls eyes*.
To survive, not necessarily to remain a power but to survive.
For this Germany is not only unnecessary for us, but even harmful.
And in recent times, whether we will have a war or not, we have not had much influence. Germany would have come at us anyway, so why not take a chance and try to get something. Since we're screwed anyway.
You aren't screwed, Poland has civie nuclear tech now, which will make it an energy player in the future.
There will come a day Berlin will be under Warsaw's energy thumb, and you'll be able to get war reparations by just hiking energy prices for Berlin, making the Kraut's pay up that way.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Theoretically, it is already under it.
Germany alone, for example, has three separate unconnected gas pipelines that feed three parts of the country.
Without our goodwill, Germany will not be able to supply the eastern part of the country.
Ironically, Germany spent a pile of money to be able to bypass us and the rest of Eastern Europe in getting gas and to become an energy hub for all of Europe only to have it all go down in a matter of days thanks to Putin invading Ukraine and mysteriously destroying both NS.
Now Germany has to rapidly build other avenues for obtaining gas, while we are already a kind of energy hub* thanks to our investments and cooperation with our neighbors.
*We have a gas pipeline connection with Croatia for their LPG port, we have another one with Finladia if I haven't mistaken something and that goes through the Baltics, the Lithuanians seem to be finishing building a proper connection to our pipelines.
Our own LPG port, we plan to build a second one and a floating port. And now Baltic Pipe.
Ironically, we have everything we need to become an Energy Hub, which is what Germany was trying to become.
Still, just a few atomic power plants and we'll have peace and we can maliciously laugh at the ever-smarter Germans.
All in all, I'm beginning to suspect that war reparations, besides being an obvious way for the government to boost its ratings, serve or will serve other purposes.
As I look at it more and more, I think that in reality our government doesn't want these reparations, it wants to use them like a cudgel against any German demand, for example, just as you suggested, a rip-off on energy prices for Germany. This cudgel can silence Germans who complain about high energy prices every time. And seeing how our German react badly to this topic, one can assume that this will cause them to lose their minds every time it is mentioned.
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Don't be surprised. Bacle is still a leftoid at heart, mad that he got left behind by the moderates of the DNP. If they were still to his liking, he'd be here to screech at us for being sexist and racist, demanding that we change our politics and beliefs to accomodate-
Oh, wait!
BLM loonies don't represent a country, they didn't have a country invaded, and they didn't win the war later.
Also only in case of Poland we are talking of events that in fact happened in living memory - some people who lived through WW2 still live.
Meanwhile for curious reasons BLM loonies aren't even interested in demanding reparations from the countries who enslaved their ancestors in the first place, just the last place they ended up sold in...
If you try to mirror the WW2 reparation argument to BLM loonies, it all crashes into the wall of US Civil War, nevermind other details like much longer time, and total disintrest in the original enslavers.
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Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Hitler's Reich is gone. Modern Germany stands blameless for his crimes.
That's not how continuity of states works.
Also Germany is more than eager to pay reparations when it's politically correct, even for things that happened further in the past.
Germany agrees to pay Namibia €1.1bn over historical Herero-Nama genocide
Germany calls atrocities ‘genocide’ but omits the words ‘reparations’ or ‘compensation’ from a joint statement
www.theguardian.com
Skallagrim
Well-known member
That's just desperate excuse-grasping. You're fixating on details to avoid engaging with the actual point, which is that "reparations" are inherently collctivist and therefore evil.
Your excuse of "but THIS is living memory!" is just arbitrary. You're saying that it's all good to try to extort money from German taxpayers alive today (practically none of which were alive during WWII) until the last geriatric German who was alive in '45 croaks, and then it's suddenly "no longer in living memory"?
I call bullshit on that. You want reparations? Then you prove how much you, specifically, in person, suffered -- and you also prove which German, specifically, in person, did the damage. And then you sue him. And if he's dead-- then fuck off. Nobody else owes you anything just for being born in the same country as that guy.
Germany is the only nation paying reparations like these as far as I'm concerned. Everyone else either pretends they never did anything wrong or they brag about doing it. Even the average German would tell you to fuck off with the reparation demands. But since we have nothing but self-hating traitors and cucks in the german leadership, we are forced to pay for this shit.That's not how continuity of states works.
Also Germany is more than eager to pay reparations when it's politically correct, even for things that happened further in the past.
Germany agrees to pay Namibia €1.1bn over historical Herero-Nama genocide
Germany calls atrocities ‘genocide’ but omits the words ‘reparations’ or ‘compensation’ from a joint statement
And the Greens are the worst about it. "We must take as much money as possible from the native german and export it to keep it out of his hands!" These bastards all deserve a bullet in the neck.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Are you seriously suggesting there's continuity between the Third Reich and the Federal Republic of Germany? There's barely any continuity between the Kaiserreich and Nazi Germany, let alone what's around today. It's a totalitarian blip with catastrophic consequences for the continent, but it is still a weird historical blip (much like Showa era Japan) in the history of a great people.
This is sins of the father horseshit.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Which is even worse when you consider most of those elderly Germans were children at the time.
"How dare these children not throw themselves at the bayonets and rifles of the russians for the sins of their fathers?!"
a) Not everyone lost a war they started and messed up a bunch of countries in it.
b) At least you lost a war, some countries are cucking themselves for the hell of it instead.
Canada approved reparations – the US can be next
The American case for reparations can draw encouragement and examples from Canada.
New Zealand leads the way on reparations for indigenous people
New Zealand is decades ahead of other countries in dealing with its colonial past. For 40 years, under the Treaty of Waitangi, a process of reparation has allowed the Maori to be fully recognized at the political level. This is so much the case that a kind of mesh is now emerging between British...
www.justiceinfo.net
So you're an ancap now? I have to inform you that the very idea of states is collectivistic in the same way. The German State takes responsibility for the damage done by its armies.
That is a very correct question, unfortunately your implied answer to it is countered by legal documents meant specifically to answer it.
There you have your answer. Federal Republic of Germany considers itself the sole legal successor of the Third Reich.
Go argue against them.
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Guess what these nations have in common with Germany. I will tell you: A leftoid elite that hates its charges.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
What damage? The Bundeswehr has done no harm to Poland.
Skallagrim
Well-known member
It is hardly a secret that I am a philosophical anarchist, and would prefer there to be no government at all. I recognise no authority over me, but that of the Almighty. But in a practical sense, I know this is not a realistic hope, so I tend to aim for the government that is least offensive to me -- the one that infringes least, and visits the fewest socio-economic "experiments" of people.
Ultimately, I agree with men like Tolkien and Chesterton to a great degree. What governments there are should be limited, mostly local, very traditional, as informal as possible (more "village meeting" than "formal body"), and -- perhaps most importantly -- offending politicians should be hanged much more often.
You know... just like reparation-whiners. We could hang them from the same tree.
To be fair, if we go by ATP's behaviour that's more a "Yet" thing. Especially if the PiS follows his big brain plan and closes off the pipeline from Russia.
The article i've linked will explain all your doubts.
The institutions may be different, but the legal personality, and as such all debts it comes with, are inherited. This is the view of Germany's own legal system.
Well if Germany didn't have a government, extra collectivist one at that, there wouldn't be a WW2.
But it does have one, and WW2 did happen.