What If? Give a Scifi or Fantasy Faction this ship.

[Sailor.X]

In this scenario the ROB gives you a simple task. You are to give one faction in Scifi or Fantasy this ship.......

The Mighty USS Vengeance.

The ship comes fully crewed with a loyal crew. It has all the Dilithium and supplies it needs provided by the ROB. The Ship has a Transwarp Drive and can cross a Galaxy in a reasonable amount of time. The leader of the faction you chose has a device that allows them to be beamed up to the ship whenever they want. And the ship will be theirs to use for maximum of 250 years. So which faction do you choose and why?

My choice is Earth from The Expanse. Well Mars you had a good run but this time it is game over and this time it is over.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

My first thought would be to give it to a sympathetic faction that lost in canon. For instance, the Maquis from Star Trek, the Confederates from Firefly, or Tekkaden from Gundam IBO. It could singlehandedly turn the war around and prevent the empire's takeover and ensure that they maintain their independence.

Cera from Sunrider and Yang's short-lived Republic of Iserlohn from LoGH would have also been good candidates, but unfortunately those factions are facing off against invading forces of tens of thousands of ships that have firepower approaching Starfleet level, so I don't think giving them the Vengeance would make much of a difference.

 

[Sailor.X]

My first thought would be to give it to a sympathetic faction that lost in canon. For instance, the Maquis from Star Trek, the Confederates from Firefly, or Tekkaden from Gundam IBO. It could singlehandedly turn the war around and prevent the empire's takeover and ensure that they maintain their independence.

If the Maquis got the Vengeance they would have made the Cardassian Navy cease to exist. Like in a months time.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Hmm, how about the Bajoran Resistance during the occupation instead?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I wouldn't put it in Star Trek.

I'd give it to the Tau in Warhammer 40K! If I can setup up the timing...I'd place it with them about a century prior to their 're-discovery' by the Imperium.

 

[Jormungandr]

If the Maquis got the Vengeance they would have made the Cardassian Navy cease to exist. Like in a months time.

For a ship that was created like a century before the Sovereign-class (and those beyond it), albeit in an alternate timeline, the Vengeance was far ahead of its time (just shows what an augment's mind could do with older technology to make it on par with technology a hundred years plus in the future).

I'd say give it to Earth Force during the Earth-Minbari War. I'm pretty sure that the sensors and warp-drive alone would allow it to basically completely wreck minbari space by just raiding anything that has a minbari signal on it.

 

[Sailor.X]

For a ship that was created like a century before the Sovereign-class (and those beyond it), albeit in an alternate timeline, the Vengeance was far ahead of its time (just shows what an augment's mind could do with older technology to make it on par with technology a hundred years plus in the future).

I'd say give it to Earth Force during the Earth-Minbari War. I'm pretty sure that the sensors and warp-drive alone would allow it to basically completely wreck minbari space by just raiding anything that has a minbari signal on it.

In a very short period of time the Minbari would begin to rethink declaring war on the Humans. Especially if a ton of their Capital Ships get yeeted in short order.

 

[Jormungandr]

In a very short period of time the Minbari would begin to rethink declaring war on the Humans. Especially if a ton of their Capital Ships get yeeted in short order.

IIRC energy weapons in B5 were of a very high-yield that may actually be dangerous to Trekverse ships, but minbari ships themselves were practically glass cannons. When Earth Force ships could actually get a hit on them, they broke apart like sugar glass -- especially their cruisers: destroy one of their "fins" which their fancy drive system relies on, and they're basically helpless.

The issues that Earth Force had were a) they couldn't target their ships (which is bullshit in reality because there are so many methods which can be used which we know of, but it's an in-universe plot-device) and b) those glass cannons still had some nasty, well, cannons.

The Vengeance wouldn't be reliant on the jump gate system due to warp-drive, its sensors and astrophysics could pinpoint anything anywhere in minbari space, and it has the firepower to reduce the surface of a planet to slag within minutes. Hell, even if the minbari pull their fleets back, the Vengeance could literally just do a drive by shooting by exiting warp, dumping a load of torpedoes/phase cannon fire, and then going back into warp in a single smooth motion (I mean, even the NX-01 could do this), before the minbari can even comprehend just what the fuck happened.

Give it less than a week, and minbari space would become a wasteland.

 

[Sailor.X]

IIRC energy weapons in B5 were of a very high-yield that may actually be dangerous to Trekverse ships, but minbari ships themselves were practically glass cannons. When Earth Force ships could actually get a hit on them, they broke apart like sugar glass -- especially their cruisers: destroy one of their "fins" which their fancy drive system relies on, and they're basically helpless.

The issues that Earth Force had were a) they couldn't target their ships (which is bullshit in reality because there are so many methods which can be used which we know of, but it's an in-universe plot-device) and b) those glass cannons still had some nasty, well, cannons.

The Vengeance wouldn't be reliant on the jump gate system due to warp-drive, its sensors and astrophysics could pinpoint anything anywhere in minbari space, and it has the firepower to reduce the surface of a planet to slag within minutes. Hell, even if the minbari pull their fleets back, the Vengeance could literally just do a drive by shooting by exiting warp, dumping a load of torpedoes/phase cannon fire, and then going back into warp in a single smooth motion (I mean, even the NX-01 could do this), before the minbari can even comprehend just what the fuck happened.

Give it less than a week, and minbari space would become a wasteland.

And then the Vorlons spit out Coffee. They don't drink Coffee. But it would materialize in their mouths via the ROB just so they could spit it out lol.

 

[Jormungandr]

And then the Vorlons spit out Coffee. They don't drink Coffee. But it would materialize in their mouths via the ROB just so they could spit it out lol.

Yeah -- storyline aside (they were into the looped timeline thing with Sinclair/Valen), a ship this powerful which breaks all of the "rules" in place, in the hands of a young and promising race like the humans? It'd likely be on their hitlist.

The shadows, in the meanwhile, would fucking love this. They'd be watching with popcorn.

 

[Sailor.X]

Yeah -- storyline aside (they were into the looped timeline thing with Sinclair/Valen), a ship this powerful which breaks all of the "rules" in place, in the hands of a young and promising race like the humans? It'd likely be on their hitlist.

The shadows, in the meanwhile, would fucking love this. They'd be watching with popcorn.

A Vorlon vs Vengeance battle would be epic. The Vengeance is built like a Brick Shithouse and can take an unheard of amount of punishment. It has a ton of armor and strong shields. The Vorlons would really have to work hard in that fight.

 

[Jormungandr]

A Vorlon vs Vengeance battle would be epic. The Vengeance is built like a Brick Shithouse and can take an unheard of amount of punishment. It has a ton of armor and strong shields. The Vorlons would really have to work hard in that fight.

IIRC, vorlon energy weapons are pretty badass even for the B5 setting. I think a better matchup in that case would be a borg cube from their original tNG appearance [System j25] (and not the nerfed borg we see in future episodes/series, like Voyager).

They're First Ones, after all, albeit actually one of the weaker First Ones, surprisingly.

 

[Sailor.X]

IIRC, vorlon energy weapons are pretty badass even for the B5 setting. I think a better matchup in that case would be a borg cube from their original tNG appearance [System j25] (and not the nerfed borg we see in future episodes/series, like Voyager).

They're First Ones, after all, albeit actually one of the weaker First Ones, surprisingly.

The Borg Cube from early TNG used against the Vorlons would count as Elder Abuse lol.

Despite the size of the Vengeance. It could actually keep out of range of the Vorlon Beam weapons and use it's drones to kite the Vorlon ship with torpedoes. And those drones would be like an angry Bee swarm.

 

[Jormungandr]

The Borg Cube from early TNG used against the Vorlons would count as Elder Abuse lol.

Despite the size of the Vengeance. It could actually keep out of range of the Vorlon Beam weapons and use it's drones to kite the Vorlon ship with torpedoes. And those drones would be like an angry Bee swarm.

I forgot about the drones!

 

[Agent23]

I'd give it to EarthForce during the Dilgar wawar, that should give Earth enough lead time prior to the Battle of the Line.
Next up, I will give it to ENT earth just after the launch of the NX-01.
Earth prior to the attack of the Asshole Aliens from Dread Empire's fall.
The Belters/OPA just after Fred Johnson's defection.
The Browncoats at any point of their rebellion.

 

[bullethead]

Tekkadan or the Turbines from Gundam Iron-Blooded Orphans would definitely like to have a giant ass warship with huge transport capacity and tons of weaponry, plus tons of tech they could make lots of passive income from. That said, whether or not that protects them from getting fucked over like in canon or just make their rivals more pissed off is a coinflip.

The Atlantis Expedition from Stargate Atlantis could definitely use a permanent support warship, even if its FTL is trash compared to Stargate hyperdrive.

Theoretically, dumping the Vengeance in Star Trek: Discovery season 1 would be a massive improvement, because that means someone other than Lorca can be a competent military leader. This assumes the idiots in that era's Starfleet Command don't get it destroyed.

Giving the thing to any non-shitheel faction in any era of BattleTech would probably do a lot of good in that setting, although there's plenty of chance it'll get stolen/sabotaged/destroyed as soon as it shows up in the setting.

 

[Agent23]

Give it to Paul Atreides.

Warp drive tech will make the Golden Path easier to achieve IMHO.

The GEOM could probably use a warp drive there is not working via trip through a hellish dimension, so dump it on him during the reunification wars.

The Necrontyr had much the same problem, no decent FTL.
So this should definitely tilt the odds in their favor vs. the 40k Old Ones.

Give it to ZEON from Gundam, the tech advsntdge and the ability to colonize any planet outside of the solar system should nullify their need to go to stupid wars with Earth.

I am sure non-slipstream FTL that is tactically capable and energy shielding and transporters would do the Andromeda Commonwealth a lot of good during the Fall.

Two words, tactical FTL missile spam.

 

[bullethead]

Give it to ZEON from Gundam, the tech advsntdge and the ability to colonize any planet outside of the solar system should nullify their need to go to stupid wars with Earth.

No, it won't.

Universal Century is the timeline where spacenoids will constantly go nuts and want to take over Earth, even after definitively beating Earthnoids. All giving them the Vengeance will do is cause the atrocities to get worse.

 

[Sailor.X]

Tekkadan or the Turbines from Gundam Iron-Blooded Orphans would definitely like to have a giant ass warship with huge transport capacity and tons of weaponry, plus tons of tech they could make lots of passive income from. That said, whether or not that protects them from getting fucked over like in canon or just make their rivals more pissed off is a coinflip.

The Atlantis Expedition from Stargate Atlantis could definitely use a permanent support warship, even if its FTL is trash compared to Stargate hyperdrive.

Theoretically, dumping the Vengeance in Star Trek: Discovery season 1 would be a massive improvement, because that means someone other than Lorca can be a competent military leader. This assumes the idiots in that era's Starfleet Command don't get it destroyed.

Giving the thing to any non-shitheel faction in any era of BattleTech would probably do a lot of good in that setting, although there's plenty of chance it'll get stolen/sabotaged/destroyed as soon as it shows up in the setting.

Dr Mckay would literally nutt himself when he gets his hands on Kelvin Timeline Star Trek Federation Tech.

 

[bullethead]

Dr Mckay would literally nutt himself when he gets his hands on Kelvin Timeline Star Trek Federation Tech.

I dunno, being on the city full of super Ancient tech would probably make him mildly impressed, at best.

Sheppard would be nutting at having a huge, fully functional warship that doesn't have to go back to Earth on call.