Important Going Forward

[Free-Stater 101]

Well if you guys are going to derail like this might as well embrace it...

Staff! Can you please make a new thread? Harlock vs Invictus grudge match?

 

[Deleted member 88]

Try to consider that if a number of people from widely different places think the same thing maybe there's a point to it?

I see you've been talking to people on SB and likely elsewhere. They know what I think about them, and I know what they think about me, the poison is in the water and isn't coming out. Any sentiments held are entirely mutual.

Believe it or not I would prefer to see you a productive and respected member of society, but you really do need to understand first that change is needed.

I'm not some drop out NEET. And am offended at the implication.

Guys, let's not let this turn into a personal battle between Lord Invictus and Harlock. This a thread for the future, so let's try to put negativity behind us and talk about what we hope to see here in the months to come. As LI has said, he wants to wait a few months to make any decisions and I think that we should all basically do the same. Before any of us leave, close our accounts, or burn any bridges let's first find out where those bridges might be leading.

I said my peace and did everyone a courtesy by giving an update on where I stand. It is not my fault, others want to pick a fight with me. But I agree with you and thank you!

 

[Aldarion]

Speaking of sticky threads - how about axing/merging 9/10ths of existing ones. I personally find it off putting when half of the 1st page is made up of stickies. Or maybe the sticky section could be collapsable (a setting remembered by the forum)?

Collapsible sticky section would likely be counterproductive as everybody would simply collapse it and then promptly forget about anything and everything contained within. Merging would be good.

 

[Harlock]

I see you've been talking to people on SB and likely elsewhere. They know what I think about them, and I know what they think about me, the poison is in the water and isn't coming out. Any sentiments held are entirely mutual.


I'm not some drop out NEET. And am offended at the implication.

I don't speak to people on SB outside of my RPG group, and if I did it wouldn't be about you It is just common knowledge. Now I am trying to be real, coddling isn't going to work and sometimes you really just need a good old slap of cold hard fact.

Now this will be my final post on the Sietch, so let me finish with some parting words and enjoy the coming ban

You are Anal Ooze on the crusty gusset of society. Merry Christmas.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Now this will be my final post on the Sietch, so let me finish with some parting words and enjoy the coming ban

You are Anal Ooze on the crusty gusset of society. Merry Christmas.

Really Harlock? You decide to go out on a ban and this is the best insult you can come up with!

This is how you should have done it!

(This isnt meant to imply anything concerning Invictus just that Harlock could have done better in going out this way regardless of context.)

 

[Jormungandr]

Well, this went to hell in a hand-basket fast. I was only asleep for six hours!

 

[Flintsteel]

THE DERAIL ENDS NOW

 

[Battlestar]

I know it has been asked to look forward, but Harlock was a mod. Will his past actions and appointment be reviewed? Will the results be made known?

 

[The Original Sixth]

I know it has been asked to look forward, but Harlock was a mod. Will his past actions and appointment be reviewed? Will the results be made known?

Wait, why would Harlock be removed? He hasn't done anything wrong.

Anyway, I think we also need to give some thought to building out the vs debates. As much as we appreciate Carl's daily efforts, we need some other people in the mix.

 

[LordSunhawk]

OK, several threadbans were handed out, and hopefully the derail is finished.

I'm seeing a number of excellent ideas that I will be giving full consideration to, thank you very much to everybody who has so far given out constructive ideas for how to move forward!

I am still very open to ideas, in the near future I'll put up a few polls about what people want me to focus on going forward.

 

[Guncannon]

Both.

You can't have both. Politics drives as many people away as it does bring them in. Keep the politics contained in one spot to let the rest of the website breathe and grow.

 

[ShadowLord]

You can't have both. Politics drives as many people away as it does bring them in. Keep the politics contained in one spot to let the rest of the website breathe and grow.

Hence both I suspect.

 

[Guncannon]

Hence both I suspect.

If you're containing your politics (including the cross-site drama), then you've got an uneven pie chart, not a 50/50, which is the minimum of what most members want here.

 

[Buba]

Are you content keeping this place as a social club tied to a particular circle of websites and defined by its politics, or do you want it to be a unique sci fi oriented site hosting creator content and discussion?

The latter.
I second the suggestion to keep SB/SV/AH-com/Long Long Trail/whatever bitching to some roped-off "enter at your own risk" space. I imagine that members who are not exiles from those sites are not particularly interested in reading about them.

I see the "affairs of other boards do not concern us" statement as one of SB's positive features. The Sietch could try to have its cake and eat it too by having both. If - as mentioned by sage poster - it does not work and the vitroil spills over, then SB's policy could be given blanket implementation.

 

[Zachowon]

My biggest thing is that there should definitely be more communication between users and staff, and that first implementation would be that, but perhaps make things more transparent in general?

 

[GoldRanger]

The latter.
I second the suggestion to keep SB/SV/AH-com/Long Long Trail/whatever bitching to some roped-off off "enter at your own risk" space. I imagine that members who are not exiles from those sites are not particularly interested in reading about them.

I see the "affairs of other boards do not concern us" statement as one of SB's positive features. The Sietch could try to have its cake and eat it too by having both. If - as mentioned by sage poster - it does not work and the vitroil spills over, then SB's policy could be given blanket implementation.

I don't think an AooB rule will work with the Sietch. This board is different from SB, the SB exiles need an outlet to their frustrations. But yes, it should be kept contained.

 

[Zachowon]

I don't think an AooB rule will work with the Sietch. This board is different from SB, the SB exiles need an outlet to their frustrations. But yes, it should be kept contained.

Dont we try as is with a whole thread just for it?

 

[ShieldWife]

So, maybe we have can have a strong dedication to freedom of speech, but we combine that with a focus on a NSFW section or something similar where only people who have proven themselves to some degree can go to discuss more controversial topics in a more open sort of way. Personally, I would want as little ideologically driven regulation in expression as possible, and I morally disagree with such censorship, but on the other hand I don’t know if the kinds of conversations that might arise from that policy should be the first thing people see when they get here. That can also allow people who honestly want to say controversial things to do so while making it a bit harder for trolls to just come here to say shocking stuff.

Talking about other forums should be in that category too - though it already is with our NSFW thread in other forums.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

You can't have both. Politics drives as many people away as it does bring them in. Keep the politics contained in one spot to let the rest of the website breathe and grow.

I made my position clear earlier when I suggested making the politics forum private to those under a certaint post count my reasoning being.

1. It would drive new posters to contribute more outside politics and keep posting high outside politics .
2. For those who could feel alienated or just feel uncomfortable about politics it would help them effectively ignore it.
3. It would make it more difficult for trolls and our detractors from harassing members because they would feel less inclined to jump throught the hoops to get to politics.

The thing is Gunncannon that this forum is primarily political in nature, hence the politics subforum shutdown almost killing it.

Both halves of this forum can survive and do well, it's just they need to be segregated to encourage their growth and make politics something to work towards for new members who genuinely want to discuss them, and an option for those who would rather ignore them.

It's not that complicated if you think about it.

 

[GoldRanger]

I made my position clear earlier when I suggested making the politics forum private to those under a certaint post count my reasoning being.

1. It would drive new posters to contribute more outside politics and keep posting high outside politics .
2. For those who could feel alienated or just feel uncomfortable about politics it would help them effectively ignore it.
3. It would make it more difficult for trolls and our detractors from harassing members because they would feel less inclined to jump throught the hoops to get to politics.

The thing is Gunncannon that this forum is primarily political in nature, hence the politics subforum shutdown almost killing it.

Both halves of this forum can survive and do well, it's just they need to be segregated to encourage their growth and make politics something to work towards for new members who genuinely want to discuss them, and an option for those who would rather ignore them.

It's not that complicated if you think about it.

The downside is that people on the sister boards and in general would be even more inclined to think we are fascists, since they can't see what we're talking about for themselves. They will invent stories about rampant racism or worse, child stuff being on it (remember that the SB PM was also baselessly accused of that).

If your first instinct is "well, who cares what other boards think?" Then you should consider that those places are the main grounds for recruiting more members into this site. We can't feed too much into the rumors about us. The politics stuff should probably stay visible to anyone.

Maybe limit posting there to only members with a certain post count, but other than dissuading both trolls (good) and people who will primarily come here for the politics (bad, we need all the people we can, even if they are mainly interested in the politics) I don't see what it accomplishes.