Gun Political Issues Megathread. (Control for or Against?)
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Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Who: Shane Killian or the guy he’s dunking on?
For reference, Shane Killian is an An-Cap Libertarian who can be rather shouty, but also has lots of interesting content on cybersecurity and economics, for instance. Not to mention all things Libertarian (as you might figure).
The other guy is David Pakman, a Progressive talk-show host with some rather vapid and superficial takes on everything under the sun. As you might’ve seen, guns are no exception — which makes him pretty good fodder for Shane to chew up and spit out.
Bear Ribs
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NYC garage worker charged with attempted murder after shooting armed thief
A New York City parking garage attendant was charged with attempted murder after wrestling a gun away from an alleged thief and shooting the suspect.
www.foxnews.com
A garage worker was shot twice by an armed robber, wrestled the gun away from the robber, and has been charged with attempted murder and criminal possession of a weapon for doing so.
NYC garage worker charged with attempted murder after shooting armed thief
A New York City parking garage attendant was charged with attempted murder after wrestling a gun away from an alleged thief and shooting the suspect.
A garage worker was shot twice by an armed robber, wrestled the gun away from the robber, and has been charged with attempted murder and criminal possession of a weapon for doing so.
clear cut case of self defense.
Typhonis
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Tell that the the liberal stronghold that is NYC. BTW how is the housing bubble there?
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Vatnik
Sorose'ed justice system loves the criminals and hates people who defend themselves
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
NYC garage worker charged with attempted murder after shooting armed thief
A New York City parking garage attendant was charged with attempted murder after wrestling a gun away from an alleged thief and shooting the suspect.
A garage worker was shot twice by an armed robber, wrestled the gun away from the robber, and has been charged with attempted murder and criminal possession of a weapon for doing so.
The charges have been officially dropped, the garage worker will not be prosecuted.
Murder charges dropped against Midtown parking garage attendant accused of shooting thief | abc7ny.com
Prosecutors dropped attempted murder charges against a parking garage attendant accused of shooting a thief in Manhattan.
abc7ny.com
Megadeath
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Huh, sounds from the very next post like the justice system worked just fine this time.
Not really. In a sane state/city, he never would have been charged.
Megadeath
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Maybe, depends what exactly was claimed by both people involved, and what further details came out when. Until the police knew the specifics, charging him to be safe was the right thing to do and so was dropping the charges as soon as they were clear on what happened. Neither article really gives enough information to my mind.
stephen the barbarian
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GWACS vs. KE Arms update.
GWACS has filed a motion to reconsider the previous summary judgement. KEA slips in the possibility of full dismissal.
GWACS has filed a motion to reconsider the previous summary judgement. KEA slips in the possibility of full dismissal.
Yer worse than CNN. You should feel ashamed.
CNN even links to specific breakdowns that clearly point to less PC conclusions, like "homicide" replacing "gun violence" with guns being merely the most common tool, and the age and race profile pointing at gang shit among ~16-18 year old teenagers skewing the statistic.
And this is a bit older stat with actual numbers showing what "leading cause" may or may not mean in absolute terms rather than relative "leading cause as happens to be classified by single category".
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Megadeath
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Uh huh... I don't actually get what your point is? If you look at figures that aren't 7 years old, you'll see that guns have overtaken motor vehicles as the leading cause of death for under 18. All the justification around that doesn't change it either. How do you think the numbers compare with other countries?
Also, if you want to talk about gang related stuff, two of the common arguments against gun control are that "Then only the bad guys will have guns!" or that "If they get rid of guns, they'll just use knives or whatever instead! Should we get rid of those?" so presumably we should see similar youth death rates to firearms, or knives perhaps, in other comparable countries right?
Megadeath
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Could you show us that study?
Guns don't kill people. Criminals kills people (after all, accidents are shown to be minimal, even suicides aren't that big a factor, and it's not like homicides disappear in countries with gun control, see Mexico). That's the point. While the clickbaity term "leading cause" really means "something like 15-20% of total because other causes are classified in a fragmented way".
Long story short, no matter how you justify, you are trying to use journalism 101 manipulative tricks, that is a fact, and even CNN tries to be more subtle with it now.
What other countries have US style gang culture in its cities and on similar scale? Honduras, Brazil and the like? Those might be worse.
Don't think many places that do have a similar social problem, like Honduras, even bother with such detailed statistics.
Still, it's a step in honesty, and also, compared to the above, due to said honesty a far less acceptable political pitch.
Imagine if democrats were selling gun control with "Teenage gang members in the cities run by our crappy politicians and raised by crappy parents who vote for them and crappy schools run by unions that love us, are killing each other a bit too effectively, and so we have to restrict the rights of all of you, so that some 25-50% more of them can live to do gang stuff another day. No, we won't be doing stop and search and locking them up, that would be racist, wtf".