Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[Zachowon]

US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu earlier this morning.

Good to know, qonder what the talk was about

 

[AmosTrask]

I thought it was Hezbollah he was complimenting (not that it is an improvement, as such). A PR secretary? Really? Mr 4D chess super-genius? For what reason would need one of those? He already has a trophy wife...

Melania died didn't she?
Edit: nvm wrong wife

 

[willdelve4beer]

Melania died didn't she?

No idea. Neither the man nor his personal life interest me. Trump's only of any use in how he provides a ready lever to manipulate the weak minded and emotionally erratic across the political spectrum. The man himself is just another DC windbag, albeit with a knack for self promotion, populist branding, and driving his enemies batty.

 

[Marduk]

its interesting how israel can get away with things that would be branded crimes against humanity if another country did it.

>get away with things
It's a very interesting term to use here and deserves some deeper digging.
Who's really stopping western countries for doing the unPC but common sense things regarding... multiculti problems?
Half the time it's international institutions without much teeth threatening PR attacks, like the ECHR saying stupid shit for EU countries that try to contain them, half the time it's own national courts and administration, like the recent UK case, rarely it's few particularly woke EU governments but they usually route those through the former
Is it ever the meme grade "muh bad american globohomo" doing it?
Poland is currently doing what many on the right in other countries wanted done regarding border shenanigans, and there sure is whining and threatening about it, which is mostly coming from, expectedly, the most left wing parts of rich side of the EU. USA? Couldn't care less. After all, they don't care much what Turkey or Saudis do either and those are even less PC.
Seems like most of the getting away problem is a matter of domestic politics of most of the countries that struggle with it.

actually, you are, esp if you want to claim to represent "a rules based global order"

Only those who want to take it down from the inside want the rules to work in such an obviously infeasible way (btw that was the strategy of UN activity of the eastern block). This is the same logic that creates the migrant crisis. We don't need the West to be a legalistic crab pot, like the rules or not, obviously no one can afford to have set of rules mean to be followed by the proponents unconditionally and ignored or blatantly exploited by anyone else at will with no downsides, like some sort of self imposed handicap.
Finally someone is noticing that there should be conditions and consequences for not meeting them.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

You want to argue for a withdraw of America as the World Policeman that's fine but we need to prop up someone else in that role to ensure stability if we aren't doing it.

We do not, we should not, and indeed such a thing is not desirable.
Make your own stability.

 

[King Arts]

oh thats easy its because Hamas never followed the rules of law, when you dont follow the rules of law that means the other side is no longer compelled to follow them.

That’s how the original laws of war were before they got woke.

 

[willdelve4beer]

>get away with things
It's a very interesting term to use here and deserves some deeper digging.
Who's really stopping western countries for doing the unPC but common sense things regarding... multiculti problems?
Half the time it's international institutions without much teeth threatening PR attacks, like the ECHR saying stupid shit for EU countries that try to contain them, half the time it's own national courts and administration, like the recent UK case, rarely it's few particularly woke EU governments but they usually route those through the former
Is it ever the meme grade "muh bad american globohomo" doing it?
Poland is currently doing what many on the right in other countries wanted done regarding border shenanigans, and there sure is whining and threatening about it, which is mostly coming from, expectedly, the most left wing parts of rich side of the EU. USA? Couldn't care less. After all, they don't care much what Turkey or Saudis do either and those are even less PC.
Seems like most of the getting away problem is a matter of domestic politics of most of the countries that struggle with it.

Only those who want to take it down from the inside want the rules to work in such an obviously infeasible way (btw that was the strategy of UN activity of the eastern block). This is the same logic that creates the migrant crisis. We don't need the West to be a legalistic crab pot, like the rules or not, obviously no one can afford to have set of rules mean to be followed by the proponents unconditionally and ignored or blatantly exploited by anyone else at will with no downsides, like some sort of self imposed handicap.
Finally someone is noticing that there should be conditions and consequences for not meeting them.

Strictly speaking the original Geneva convention (notably, the version the US has fully signed on for(IE; had affirmed by the Senate as a proper treaty)) required your nation to also be a signatory, and you to be a uniformed member of said nation's military to receive the full benefits of it. Non signatories received no protection, and civilians only received protection so long as they did not take up arms.

The reason for this was to encourage nations to sign and adhere to the conventions so that their soldiers and leadership could benefit from the protections.

That we've been deliberately distracted from this rather logical aspect of the original treaties is,,, interesting.

 

[TheRejectionist]

 

[Zachowon]

To prevent Gaza from being able to survive duh.
A blockade.
You try to run it, you lose your stuff

 

[TheRejectionist]

First time I would agree with Peter Zeihan, but there is first time for everything...

 

[LordsFire]

actually, you are, esp if you want to claim to represent "a rules based global order"

When there is a rule in the schoolyard, 'No fighting,' and a student starts attacking another student with a knife, that other student is not required to not fight back, because it would 'break the rules.'

When the teacher comes out to stop them, the teacher is not allowed to beat the knife-wielder down, because it would 'break the rules' to fight the knife-wielder.

As others have pointed out, it is actually written into the laws of war, that if you want the protection of said laws, you must follow those laws yourself.

 

[mrttao]

The only way they could affect a Western nation like my own, is if we let them in.

what do you mean "if". this is going to happen.
I would bet almost all my money that this war ends with millions of palestinians entering europe.

its interesting how israel can get away with things that would be branded crimes against humanity if another country did it.

The UN passes something like 50 resolutions a year stating israel is committing crimes against humanity. usually when israel is doing literally nothing.
it has lost all meaning.

 

[Rocinante]

When there is a rule in the schoolyard, 'No fighting,' and a student starts attacking another student with a knife, that other student is not required to not fight back, because it would 'break the rules.'

When the teacher comes out to stop them, the teacher is not allowed to beat the knife-wielder down, because it would 'break the rules' to fight the knife-wielder.

As others have pointed out, it is actually written into the laws of war, that if you want the protection of said laws, you must follow those laws yourself.

I'm not sure if I read this wrong or if you typed it weird, so I want to address this real quick. It might be what you meant, it might not.

But in the US, in the 90s and 2000s when the schools all started these zero tolerance policies? If a fight happened, both students got the same punishment, even if one acted purely in self defense.

The rule was no fighting. Zero tolerance. If someone comes up and attacks you, and you defend yourself? Suspension/expulsion for you too.

I was a victim of this shitty policy multiple times.

I don't want to veer too off topic, but I wanted to clear that up.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

I'm not sure if I read this wrong or if you typed it weird, so I want to address this real quick. It might be what you meant, it might not.

But in the US, in the 90s and 2000s when the schools all started these zero tolerance policies? If a fight happened, both students got the same punishment, even if one acted purely in self defense.

The rule was no fighting. Zero tolerance. If someone comes up and attacks you, and you defend yourself? Suspension/expulsion for you too.

I was a victim of this shitty policy multiple times.

I don't want to veer too off topic, but I wanted to clear that up.

In athletics the coaches would just let us fight and then make those involved run until they puked.

Anyways it looks like the IDF is massing a bunch of forces for an imminent ground invasion but so far they seem content to just bomb the fuck out of the strip. I guess they are still trying to see if they can get the hostages back, Unsure as to how that will play out.

 

[AmosTrask]

Video released of Hamas militants holding Israeli babies hostage as human shields.

They need to die painfully. Harming children is beyond unspeakable, beyond Blood Feud. The Old punishment is extermination. Everyone involved dies. Everyone who helped in any way are hunted down and killed. All traces of their names, their histories destroyed. Their names and histories never spoken of until it is forgotten. Abominations! Outcasts! Forsaken and Accursed by the Spirits, the Gods and the Ancestors.

The moment those children die I hope they firebomb Hamas. There is no way in hell these Cowards would allow the hostages to live.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

They need to die painfully. Harming children is beyond unspeakable, beyond Blood Feud. The Old punishment is extermination. Everyone involved dies. Everyone who helped in any way are hunted down and killed. All traces of their names, their histories destroyed. Their names and histories never spoken of until it is forgotten. Abominations! Outcasts! Forsaken and Accursed by the Spirits, the Gods and the Ancestors.

The moment those children die I hope they firebomb Hamas. There is no way in hell these Cowards would allow the hostages to live.

You do realize what you're describing involves a lot of dead or brutalized children, yes?
Not judging, I just want us to be on the same page.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

what do you mean "if". this is going to happen.
I would bet almost all my money that this war ends with millions of palestinians entering europe.

Of course, but only due to pro-Israel politicians being in office. Otherwise we'd close our borders in an instant.

 

[Terthna]

Of course, but only due to pro-Israel politicians being in office. Otherwise we'd close our borders in an instant.

If you honestly believe that, I've got a bridge I can sell you.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Were your ancestors milquetoast, isolationist pacifists?
For one i'm pretty damn sure mine weren't, so that's who is being conservative here.

I never claimed to be a pacifist. I just think its stupid to want to wage war against everyone that dares dissent from you. It needlessly multiplies your enemies, stretches your resources, creates chaos and destruction and increases the chances you'll be defeated. Diplomacy, negotiation and recognition of spheres of influence is how a mature power conducts its affairs, and how the USA conducted its affairs before sociopaths and lunatics took over its foreign policy.

Now you want to war with Russia, China and Iran and maybe even North Korea all at the same time.

what was it londo mollari said? "Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts."

Conservatives, real ones, not neo-liberals and globalists are mainly concerned with securing thier own borders.

Libertarians and objectivists are definitely not an example of conservatives, and also they definitely are not in charge of the broad conservative movement, merely a small loosely allied minority in its camp.

They run the show. Thats why you have been completely unable to win anything in the culture wars.

So the New Deal era DNC of the 1930's is your ideal of conservatism then, ok, YMMV, but i can't take that seriously.

Believe it not, in most of the world, right wing parties have more in their party platforms beyond "muh low taxes and blowing the shit out of anyone we dont like". And so did the republicans long ago.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

If you honestly believe that, I've got a bridge I can sell you.

Members of the Jewish community, both Israeli and abroad, have been instrumental in the beautiful and much needed diversification of European culture far more than any other group. This glorious multi generational plan could not have come this far without them and their well documented hard work, and it will only accelerate further thanks to their continued efforts.