Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[ShieldWife]

When Muslims become your problem you'll realize that you should have formed an alliance against them back when they were supposedly not your problem, but it'll be way too late.

Muslims are already destroying Western Europe and nearly all of the leaders in Europe who demand open borders also demand supporting Israel. The unnecessary wars that the West has been waging in the ME has only lead to more refugees and immigrants who are more radicalized.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Then maybe they should stop pretending that our foreign enemies aren't our enemies, and stop acting like any imperfection in an ally means we should pull all support from things involving them.

Isolationism doesn't work anymore.

Also, @Marduk is the situation in Poland as Darth describes?

Isn’t that Tusk guy a complete globalist? Honestly, I’d prefer that guy who was trolling the EU parliament with the whole Ein Reich, Ein Euro joke.

 

[Bigking321]

Isolationism doesn't work anymore.

When has isolationism even been tried in the last couple of decades?

I know Trump tried to get us out of places but the neo cons and globalists in the military sabotaged that at every turn.

 

[King Arts]

Then maybe they should stop pretending that our foreign enemies aren't our enemies, and stop acting like any imperfection in an ally means we should pull all support from things involving them.

Isolationism doesn't work anymore.

Also, @Marduk is the situation in Poland as Darth describes?

No Bacle isolationism works as long as the nation is not manipulated for foreign interests by disloyal people like you. We could have stayed out of ww1 and ww2. Let Europe kill itself and not prop up the British or one side let the Russians and Germans wipe each other out. The reason isolationism fails is because certain people keep trying to make it fail, they don't want to accept isolationism so they use their power to drag the US into foreign engagements.

 

[Grimalkin]

Muslims are already destroying Western Europe and nearly all of the leaders in Europe who demand open borders also demand supporting Israel. The unnecessary wars that the West has been waging in the ME has only lead to more refugees and immigrants who are more radicalized.

Eh, I think the blame doesn't really lie with the muslims here, it's more like Western Europe is committing suicide. An excess amount of tolerance and indolence on all levels, leading to the inevitable decline and death of the culture in question.

And to be completely honest I don't mind it that much, I'm even getting to the point where I'd rather have a muslim neighbour than some of the lefty lunatics that currently populate my neighbourhood. If they ever get their shit together long enough to actually take over, then I'll just convert the same way my ancestors converted to Christianity when it came here a millennia ago.

So what if I have to read and learn one book, or give up pork and alcohol? The cold hard truth is that converting really wouldn't be that much of an imposition for me, and if I stood to gain something tangible from it I'd do it in a heart-beat.

At least I wouldn't have to hear about pronouns anymore, or fat acceptance or any of the other drivel that's currently pouring into our culture from on high.

No Bacle isolationism works as long as the nation is not manipulated for foreign interests by disloyal people like you. We could have stayed out of ww1 and ww2. Let Europe kill itself and not prop up the British or one side let the Russians and Germans wipe each other out. The reason isolationism fails is because certain people keep trying to make it fail, they don't want to accept isolationism so they use their power to drag the US into foreign engagements.

Well on one hand you're sort of right, but on the other if your policy is dependent an absolutely loyal/patriotic populace and political class then it's a pipe dream in the same way that communism is. And in the same way it can't really work unless the populace is willing to enforce it with an iron fist, if wanted to even make the attempt you'd either have to exile the dissenters or imprison them or execute them.

Also I disagree that you could've stayed out of WW1 & WW2, it's not a feasible solution in a world where an expansionist communist ideology is on the rise. Isolationism only becomes a viable option for a nation after it's acquired nukes, otherwise it'll just inevitably get invaded.

 

[King Arts]

Well on one hand you're sort of right, but on the other if your policy is dependent an absolutely loyal/patriotic populace and political class then it's a pipe dream in the same way that communism is. And in the same way it can't really work unless the populace is willing to enforce it with an iron fist, if wanted to even make the attempt you'd either have to exile the dissenters or imprison them or execute them.

I will say that you have somewhat of a point but to compare it to communism is too far. Communism fails because of human nature it would only work with people willing to be basically monks. This is different No system can survive actual treason and sabatoge. I mean do you think it is brutal or oppressive to legally punish politicians who promise one thing but as soon as they get into office do the opposite?

Also I disagree that you could've stayed out of WW1 & WW2, it's not a feasible solution in a world where an expansionist communist ideology is on the rise. Isolationism only becomes a viable option for a nation after it's acquired nukes, otherwise it'll just inevitably get invaded.

See this is where you are wrong historically. If the US stayed out of ww1 then communism might not be that strong. And for world war 2 the US actually made communism stronger. That’s what lend lese did for the Soviets. Now I don’t think that the Nazis would be able to wipe out all of Eastern Europe, so the Soviets would probably still survive but without lend lese they might not be able to beat the Nazis. So we get a post ww2 world where both communism AND Nazism are weakened and lost many lives all while no American had to die.

 

[Bacle]

No Bacle isolationism works as long as the nation is not manipulated for foreign interests by disloyal people like you. We could have stayed out of ww1 and ww2. Let Europe kill itself and not prop up the British or one side let the Russians and Germans wipe each other out. The reason isolationism fails is because certain people keep trying to make it fail, they don't want to accept isolationism so they use their power to drag the US into foreign engagements.

We should have stayed out of WW2...the fuck is wrong with you?

The rest of the world doesn't stop existing and being able to affect our nation, just because some people want to stick their heads in the sand.

 

[King Arts]

We should have stayed out of WW2...the fuck is wrong with you?

The rest of the world doesn't stop existing and being able to affect our nation, just because some people want to stick their heads in the sand.

You want to get involved in a foreign war to kill millions of Americans what the fuck is wrong with you?

Again it may be cruel but how many Americans would die if America was neutral in ww2. Besides adventure seekers going to one side?

 

[ShieldWife]

As King Arts says, we haven’t really tried isolationism. The nation’s rulers maintained many belligerent and interventionist foreign policies and when those policies created negative consequences, the hawks blamed isolationism that never existed.

The USA didn’t have to be in a war that its rulers didn’t want since at least the 19th century.

 

[DarthOne]

We should have stayed out of WW2...the fuck is wrong with you?

The rest of the world doesn't stop existing and being able to affect our nation, just because some people want to stick their heads in the sand.

At the very least we should have stayed out of WW1 or sided with the Kaiser due to the British messing with us and feeding us propaganda.

We stay out of WW1, no Hitler.

 

[ShieldWife]

Read Pat Buchanan’s Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War to see an interesting take on how both World Wars could have been avoided. Wars of the past, just like modern conflicts, are not as black and white as people would have you believe.

 

[TheRejectionist]

No Bacle isolationism works as long as the nation is not manipulated for foreign interests by disloyal people like you. We could have stayed out of ww1 and ww2. Let Europe kill itself and not prop up the British or one side let the Russians and Germans wipe each other out. The reason isolationism fails is because certain people keep trying to make it fail, they don't want to accept isolationism so they use their power to drag the US into foreign engagements.

@King Arts I don't think US staying of out of WW2 would have been such a great idea. I think maybe the postwar could have been slightly better.

At the very least we should have stayed out of WW1 or sided with the Kaiser due to the British messing with us and feeding us propaganda.

We stay out of WW1, no Hitler.

You are going to deal with a Kaiser not a Hitler.

Actually two. Plus a genocidal Turco-Ottoman government.

Along with their puppet states.

 

[Husky_Khan]

@King Arts I don't think US staying of out of WW2 would have been such a great idea. I think maybe the postwar could have been slightly better.

You are going to deal with a Kaiser not a Hitler.

Actually two. Plus a genocidal Turco-Ottoman government.

Along with their puppet states.

Maybe we'd be dealing with Communist Revolutions from Russia to France and everything in between and the US out of a significant chunk of loans it ain't getting back.

 

[King Arts]

@King Arts I don't think US staying of out of WW2 would have been such a great idea. I think maybe the postwar could have been slightly better.

You are going to deal with a Kaiser not a Hitler.

Actually two. Plus a genocidal Turco-Ottoman government.

Along with their puppet states.

Can you say why? Note I’m not advocating us staying out of ww2 merely saying we could have. So those saying it was unavoidable are liars and they need to make up another reason because we could definitely have been neutral and not suffered.

 

[Bacle]

You want to get involved in a foreign war to kill millions of Americans what the fuck is wrong with you?

No, I want us to actually be a good ally to those who are good allies to us, and deal with our enemies as enemies.

And someone forgot Pearl Harbor was a thing, it seems.

Again it may be cruel but how many Americans would die if America was neutral in ww2. Besides adventure seekers going to one side?

Good to know you think we should have just let the Nazi's do what they wanted and left Britain out to dry; then again, you've never struck me as someone who has a problem with dead Jews.

Also, Zimmerman Telegram and Pancho Villa say hi.

At the very least we should have stayed out of WW1 or sided with the Kaiser due to the British messing with us and feeding us propaganda.

We stay out of WW1, no Hitler.

Again, Zimmerman Telegram to Mexico and Pancho Villa's raids ring a bell?

Oh, but acknowledging those things would mean admitting that Germany and the Central Powers were very much not afraid of the US getting involved at that point.

Edit: The Central Powers didn't respect the US till we broke Germany's lines and then proceeded to fuck shit up faster and more brutally that the 'Gentlemanly' Brits and French had.

 

[TheRejectionist]

 

[Husky_Khan]

Looks like it was the West who successfully Re-Nazified Russia.



Before this there was very little Anti-Semitic Sentiment in Russia, especially the Caucasus.

 

[DarthOne]

Maybe we'd be dealing with Communist Revolutions from Russia to France and everything in between and the US out of a significant chunk of loans it ain't getting back.

The only reason the Communists managed to succeed Russia is due to the interim government staying in the war after the Czar was deposed.

Something that only happened thanks to US loans to Russia in exchange for Russia staying in the war. This angered the Russian people, who the Soviets then played off of and allowed them to gain popular support.

Never mind that without US loans the entente would never have been able to afford the war after 1916 abouts. Or how US troops massively raised French and British moral and kept the French mutinies from exploding.

 

[ShieldWife]

Eh, I think the blame doesn't really lie with the muslims here, it's more like Western Europe is committing suicide. An excess amount of tolerance and indolence on all levels, leading to the inevitable decline and death of the culture in question.

And to be completely honest I don't mind it that much, I'm even getting to the point where I'd rather have a muslim neighbour than some of the lefty lunatics that currently populate my neighbourhood. If they ever get their shit together long enough to actually take over, then I'll just convert the same way my ancestors converted to Christianity when it came here a millennia ago.

So what if I have to read and learn one book, or give up pork and alcohol? The cold hard truth is that converting really wouldn't be that much of an imposition for me, and if I stood to gain something tangible from it I'd do it in a heart-beat.

At least I wouldn't have to hear about pronouns anymore, or fat acceptance or any of the other drivel that's currently pouring into our culture from on high.

You’re really downplaying how horrible Europe being conquered by Muslims would be. Not even moderate Muslims, but radicalized refugees who work together with the far left to tear down Western civilian and replace it with chaos, riots in the streets, rape gangs, and other terrible oppression. I don’t know why you’d want to downplay the severity of this problem.

 

[DarthOne]

Again, Zimmerman Telegram to Mexico and Pancho Villa's raids ring a bell?

Oh, but acknowledging those things would mean admitting that Germany and the Central Powers were very much not afraid of the US getting involved at that point.

Which occurred thanks to the British only allowing trade to them, basically making the USA the Entente’s de-facto weapons factory.