Oh so you'd prevent all trade and financial investment in the rest of the world in 1914, not just military isolation?
And this is something you'd want to maintain consistently with any belligerent of conflicts in perpetuity more or less?
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Oh so you'd prevent all trade and financial investment in the rest of the world in 1914, not just military isolation?
And this is something you'd want to maintain consistently with any belligerent of conflicts in perpetuity more or less?
The Germans invaded France at the behest of the Central Powers, and the Brits and French were both more of our allies than Germany or the Central powers ever were.
The US tried rather hard to stay out of WW1, and not to our benefit either. If the US had joined the war earlier, fewer people may have died. The US created trench warfare during the ACW, and we didn't have problems using shotguns in war like the Europeans.
Shit, had the US entered WW1 earlier, Hitler might have eaten a 12-guage from some US Doughboy and saved the world a lot of issues.
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It wasn’t in 1914 you dingus. It was in 1917-18. Aka, after the USA had joined the war. And it was not trade or financial investment it was ‘keep fighting in a war neither you or your people really want at this point, or we will pull the plug and crash your nation’s economy.’
Never mind that back DURING 1914 and onward, Wilson did everything he could to make sure that the Entente powers got more loans then the Central Powers. Because Wilson (and a lot of the banking industry) were massive Anglophiles.
Also if you want to blame anyone for interfering with international trade and finance during WW1, balms the British who started the war with a struck blockade of Germany and the prohibition of anything they could think of might even constitute as ‘war materials’. They then threw a fit when the Germans returned the favor on them with uboats.
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Sorry boss.
King Arts
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Tell me how China and British were good Allie’s to us you cuck?
Also Pearl Harbor happened because FDR was a lying sack of shit who campaigned on no war then provoked the Japanese into war with the embargo that was going to crash their economy. Let me guess in Bacle land America was attacked for no reason out of the blue?
FDR couldn’t just start a war he had to manufacture it by manipulating the Japs into attacking us.
Gonna cry about muh Jews Bacle? I thought you were an America Firster like your crush trump? Again from a perspective of only looking out for your own citizens interests why does the fate of Jews matter more than the fate of Armenians or Tutsis or other group being killed? Don’t you bitch about immigration also? Where is your fucking consistency? Let immigrants come into the US to save their lives from poverty and oppression. Also letting in many immigrants from Latin America will be cheaper and cause less deaths than a world war.
Also the telegram was again an issue with the US not actually being neutral because the WASPs were Anglophiles the political leaders of America at the time gave loans and favoritism to the British.
King Arts
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Sorry I did not see this.
No, this has absolutely nothing to do with foreign policy regarding foreign conflict stuff of all things, that's one thing both old and probable new government agree about, stop talking about shit you have no idea about.
More like center, and even that's up in the air as the government is not even formed yet so shit can happen.
Our goverment fall,becouse:
1.Germans attacked them.
2.USA embassy attacked them.
3.Soros attacked them.
4.TVN,private tv belonging to USA,attacked them.
5.They attacked their only possibly ally,Konfederacja,3 days before elections.
6.They keep shouting how they defend Poland from germans - and later did all germans wonted.People simply decided,tat if we must be ruled by germans,then it would be better honest german agents,like Tusk.
You are partially right,China and Moscov are USA enemies.And isolationizm would not save you from them,even if you throw Poland under Moscov bus again.
But,neocons fucked both Afganistan and Iraq for notching.Well,no for notching,thanks to them christians in Iraq who lived there from almost 2000 years was eiter exiled or murdered.Only lasting achievent of neocons.
About Poland - see previous answer.We are fucked,but as long as USA troops still occupy Germany,there is hope for our country.
And as long as Holy Mary is our Queen,nation would survive no matter what happened to state.
Grimalkin
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Goddamnit, I was just about to post a massive reply when the mod post came down. But whatever, I'll just reply to something else.
And I don't think we're going to be conquered as much as we're going to convert in a huge wave as soon as a critical mass is reached. On one hand you have a culture that denigrates and dismisses your contributions to society just because you're a male and thus the oppressor, and on the other hand you have a culture that promises to massively elevate your social status at the small cost of a few dietary restrictions.
The only reason that most of Europe hasn't already been converted is mostly due to cultural inertia, which I don't expect to last long now that the idea of conversion has been so massively promoted in certain circles. As soon as men collectively realise which choice is in their best interest this whole song and dance will come to a swift and abrupt end.
Originally I thought it would take around a hundred or two hundred years, which would've taken the choice out of my hands and meant that I wouldn't have to worry about converting personally. But then a certain influencer went and fucked that plan up by putting the idea into everyone's head by publicly converting, which moved my estimated timetable up considerably, and means I'll probably have to convert in a couple of years rather than a couple of decades.
On a related note, fuck Andrew Tate, I don't mind it too much if I have to convert but that doesn't mean that I like having my timetable moved up by this much.
I think you're overstating the case here, I mean sure there'll be some chaos during the transition but I'm fairly sure that it'll still be less violent than the Christian conversion of Europe, or the conflict between the Protestants and Catholics. People are just acting like the world is going to end due to a combination of nostalgia and an inflated sense of superiority when it comes to their own culture.
And I don't think we're going to be conquered as much as we're going to convert in a huge wave as soon as a critical mass is reached. On one hand you have a culture that denigrates and dismisses your contributions to society just because you're a male and thus the oppressor, and on the other hand you have a culture that promises to massively elevate your social status at the small cost of a few dietary restrictions.
The only reason that most of Europe hasn't already been converted is mostly due to cultural inertia, which I don't expect to last long now that the idea of conversion has been so massively promoted in certain circles. As soon as men collectively realise which choice is in their best interest this whole song and dance will come to a swift and abrupt end.
Originally I thought it would take around a hundred or two hundred years, which would've taken the choice out of my hands and meant that I wouldn't have to worry about converting personally. But then a certain influencer went and fucked that plan up by putting the idea into everyone's head by publicly converting, which moved my estimated timetable up considerably, and means I'll probably have to convert in a couple of years rather than a couple of decades.
On a related note, fuck Andrew Tate, I don't mind it too much if I have to convert but that doesn't mean that I like having my timetable moved up by this much.
This is delusional defeatism. If getting western people to follow a strict, Abrahamic religious code was so easy and only took a little intimidation, the "far right" would have done that a long time ago. Yes, it will take a lot of bloody violence.
And stop making wishful prediction about the status of young men in a different culture. The young Muslims aren't coming to Europe because their social status is so high back home, let that sink in, and realize new converts would not even be their equals...
The Islamic societies have a nasty old oligarchy problem, perhaps even a step beyond ours.
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Islam is also starting to have some of the problems Christianity has been dealing with since early 20th century. Because Islamic countries are liberalizing at a fairly rapid rate. In Iraq I saw westernized women, especially in Bagdad. A lot of the things you see today in our cities you'll see there. Its different in the rural parts of the nation but that's the same here. All in all, Islam isn't handling the Liberalization of their world any better than we did.
Grimalkin
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Intimidation? That's not anywhere near what I said, they'll convert because Islamic culture will treat them better than its Western counterpart. Once a substantial portion of men start actually thinking about it instead of reflexively denying like most people do with unfamiliar ideas, it'll start as a ripple and eventually wash over the culture like a goddamn tidal wave.
Religious conversion is either extremely fast or extremely long and bloody if the society has a solid and principled foundation. It's not defeatism at all, we've undercut our own culture and taken the axe to our foundations, and this is the natural consequence of that.
Thinking that men are going to martyr themselves in large numbers on the altar of a culture that denigrates and dismisses them is just naive. People are self-interested creatures and this is no longer a matter of whether this is going to happen but rather just a matter of when it's going to happen.
Will it? The only way they get treated better is to take reins of Western one themselves.
If Islamic culture is treating young men so great, why do so many of theirs leave and risk prison or death to live in Europe?
Why don't the smartasses who think they will be treated better migrate to Islamic countries?
This is pure wishful thinking and extreme cluelessness about the Islamic culture. Grass is always greener on the other side and so on.
As above. This always was an option to convert, or convert and move. But in reality it's just a different, more alien kind of suck, which doesn't suck any less at all though.
I'd bet on long and bloody. So far more Muslim descendants in western countries become secular than the other way around.
Out of all cultures ours is not one of martyrdom, certainly not now. If anyone is going to ask martyrdom of them, it's going to be the convert's one.
If so, they will go mercenary with the collapse of existing institutions. Guess towards Asia. Becoming servants of an actual martyrdom demanding culture is an anti-solution to all the problems you are implying.
Rationally self-interested creatures with any meaningful choice in that matter usually do not convert to Islam.
TheRejectionist
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He is Israel firster then ask question later.
TheRomanSlayer
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How’s the IDF performing so far?
Do not matter,they would win.There is no need to worry about what happen in war between state funded by USA and militia funded by nobody now.
Hamas really should croaked who made them attack,before they die - they have notching to lost at that point.
King Arts
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I think grimal is treating Islam too charitably while Marduk is to hostile.
Islamic societies are less stable than others because of polygamy. I know men want variety but sadly the birth rate is 1/1 man and woman. So unless genetic engineering or a war happens so you can take women from elsewhere or have some of your men killed off not every man can have four wives.
Marduk is wrong that Islamic society falls apart to some inherent weakness though we can look at history. The reason immigrants come to the west is wealth. It’s purely financial fee of them like western values they like western money.
AnimalNoodles
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I think he's right, and he's wrong. Firstly, there will be a sudden rush to Islam amongst young men, esp since western christianity has become morally weak, feminised and gay. In addition, the ruling class subtly promotes Islam in order to undermine Christianity.
This BTW is a threat to Islam as well, as Islam will become morally weaker, more feminised, more gay.
But there is also going to be a generational hardening in Christianity. The liberalised denominations will simply die out..they will abort sodomise and intermarry thier way to irrelevance. The surviving church will relearn how to operate in direct competition with other religions and against the hostility of the State, and membership in the surviving forms of Christianity will become an identity marker, a form of resistance against the africans and asians. I see less a european caliphate, and more several generations of sectarian conflict like Lebanon.