Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[posh-goofiness]

Citizen journalist in Jerusalem talking about her experiences on the ground since the start.

TLDR: Healthy caution by the citizens of the city of more local danger. Hats off to the orthodox who went dancing in the streets in defiance.

 

[Marduk]

Well you behave like Cartman so any validity of this to you believing something would be surprising.
Because even your worst nightmare and enemy can become "good" when they point at something you ravenously and rabidly already wanted to verbally attack.
Time and time again you shown nothing but sanctimonious lecturing behaviour like the average liberal or progressive, the only difference between you and them is you go to the opposite direction but look equally and uninspiringly vicious to a pathological level that apparently shows you as the effeminate, primitive and narcissistic self-centered hollow man you are.

Oh, so we are in a shit flinging match then? Ok, you asked for it.

You behave like a treacherous leftist infiltrator who tries to push what is universally considered leftist causes in terms of foreign policy since times immemorial by wrapping them up half-assedly in conservative sounding packages, and then excuse your conspicuous behavior with theoretical red herrings and calls for navel gazing at imperfections of western political systems. Such behavior demonstrates total lack of honor, treachery, and virtue signalling to worst of progressive values from your side. In the end, you are doing the same thing the utter scum who ruined western institutions do, just on smaller scale.
You're not fooling anyone, stick to whining about America doing things, trusting Howard Zinn or other socialist scum and complaining about the lot of working class, "comrade".

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[ShadowLord]

Oh, so we are in a shit flinging match then? Ok, you asked for it.

You behave like a treacherous leftist infiltrator who tries to push what is universally considered leftist causes in terms of foreign policy since times immemorial by wrapping them up half-assedly in conservative sounding packages, and then excuse your conspicuous behavior with theoretical red herrings and calls for navel gazing at imperfections of western political systems. Such behavior demonstrates total lack of honor, treachery, and virtue signalling to worst of progressive values from your side. In the end, you are doing the same thing the utter scum who ruined western institutions do, just on smaller scale.
You're not fooling anyone, stick to whining about America doing things, trusting Howard Zinn or other socialist scum and complaining about the lot of working class, "comrade".

Liked it?

The Founding Fathers and pretty much every President before Theodore Roosevelt would like to have a word with you on the subject of foreign interventionism and over seas alliances being a bad idea.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Yeah none of the founding fathers would've given a shit about conflicts in the middle east. They were much more concerned about powerful Western nations and making sure America was a neat place.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Oh, so we are in a shit flinging match then? Ok, you asked for it.

You behave like a treacherous leftist infiltrator who tries to push what is universally considered leftist causes in terms of foreign policy since times immemorial by wrapping them up half-assedly in conservative sounding packages, and then excuse your conspicuous behavior with theoretical red herrings and calls for navel gazing at imperfections of western political systems. Such behavior demonstrates total lack of honor, treachery, and virtue signalling to worst of progressive values from your side. In the end, you are doing the same thing the utter scum who ruined western institutions do, just on smaller scale.
You're not fooling anyone, stick to whining about America doing things, trusting Howard Zinn or other socialist scum and complaining about the lot of working class, "comrade".

Liked it?

you arent a conservative.

Conservatives...conserve. what is your endless bellicosity, imperialism and warmongering 'conserving' exactly?

You certainly wouldnt have been considered one prior to the 60's, when the libertarians and objectivists took over the conservative movement and purged anyone who isnt down with endless wars, corporate greed and cultural surrender. Traditional conservatives were inward focused, rather suspicious of corporations and had no problem using government power to stamp down on vice and degeneracy. They certainly werent into fighting wars for a tiny little country in the middle east that had nothing tangible to offer in terms of resources.

 

[Marduk]

Yeah none of the founding fathers would've given a shit about conflicts in the middle east. They were much more concerned about powerful Western nations and making sure America was a neat place.

10 thousand years from now, if USA still exists in a recognizable form, people like you will be whining about why the American Stellar Federation has to be concerned about what's going in Alpha Centauri, the founding fathers never had to give a damn about that after all.

For one, unlike back then, now America *is* in fact main part of "powerful Western nations" and there is no choice but to act accordingly.

you arent a conservative.

Conservatives...conserve. what is your endless bellicosity, imperialism and warmongering 'conserving' exactly?

Were your ancestors milquetoast, isolationist pacifists?
For one i'm pretty damn sure mine weren't, so that's who is being conservative here.

You certainly wouldnt have been considered one prior to the 60's, when the libertarians and objectivists took over the conservative movement and purged anyone who isnt down with endless wars, corporate greed and cultural surrender.

Libertarians and objectivists are definitely not an example of conservatives, and also they definitely are not in charge of the broad conservative movement, merely a small loosely allied minority in its camp.

Traditional conservatives were inward focused, rather suspicious of corporations and had no problem using government power to stamp down on vice and degeneracy. They certainly werent into fighting wars for a tiny little country in the middle east that had nothing tangible to offer in terms of resources.

So the New Deal era DNC of the 1930's is your ideal of conservatism then, ok, YMMV, but i can't take that seriously.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

10 thousand years from now, if USA still exists in a recognizable form, people like you will be whining about why the American Stellar Federation has to be concerned about what's going in Alpha Centauri, the founding fathers never had to give a damn about that after all.

For one, unlike back then, now America *is* in fact main part of "powerful Western nations" and there is no choice but to act accordingly.

Until Alpha centauri is part of earth, that's a bit of a strawman. Modern politics is not too far apart from olden-days politics, it's just a lot more retarded.
And I don't think Hamas is blowing up the united states, they're blowing up another middle eastern place, which the founding fathers wouldn't have cared about.

 

[Marduk]

Until Alpha centauri is part of earth, that's a bit of a strawman. Modern politics is not too far apart from olden-days politics, it's just a lot more retarded.
And I don't think Hamas is blowing up the united states, they're blowing up another middle eastern place, which the founding fathers wouldn't have cared about.

Founding fathers did however care about wrecking a fairly nearby place over some hostage taking and other shenanigans at sea, USMC even has a song about it btw, and that's while USA was not a global superpower but just a major new world colony that barely got independence and had similar population number to current day Israel.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Founding fathers did however care about wrecking a fairly nearby place over some hostage taking and other shenanigans at sea, USMC even has a song about it btw, and that's while USA was not a global superpower but just a major new world colony that barely got independence and had similar population number to current day Israel.

I never said that America was above wrecking up a place to flex. But in that context that would be US attacking a small nation to prove a point, not interfere with an overseas war.

It'd be like Civil-War era America getting upset over Australian colonists and Aboriginals having at it, deciding that the logical choice is to give potential enemies even more resources to have fun with.

 

[Marduk]

I never said that America was above wrecking up a place to flex. But in that context that would be US attacking a small nation to prove a point, not interfere with an overseas war.

It was an overseas war with more parties involved and USA intervened as part of it.
So yeah, the idea that Founding fathers were some kind of fanatical isolationists just doesn't fit, even when USA had relatively little weight to throw around in the world, it didn't shy away from what it could do with what it had at all.

It'd be like Civil-War era America getting upset over Australian colonists and Aboriginals having at it, deciding that the logical choice is to give potential enemies even more resources to have fun with.

>potential enemies
WUT?

 

[ShadowLord]

For one, unlike back then, now America *is* in fact main part of "powerful Western nations" and there is no choice but to act accordingly.

According to who? Who is this person or person who is dictating from on high to the American people? And why should be be taking what they say as if it was handed down to us by God?

Founding fathers did however care about wrecking a fairly nearby place over some hostage taking and other shenanigans at sea, USMC even has a song about it btw, and that's while USA was not a global superpower but just a major new world colony that barely got independence and had similar population number to current day Israel.

You are speaking of the first Barbary War. Which occurred when Tripolitania declared war on the USA after it stopped paying them tribute, blocked trading through the Mediterranean and kidnapped US sailors.

In response to which the USA marched over, made itself enough of a problem that Tripolitania signed a peace treaty with in, then went home.

Which is a far cry from the conflict in Israel, the situation in the Middle East and the direction you and ‘neo-conservatives’ like you want to take it, despite your claims.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

It was an overseas war with more parties involved and USA intervened as part of it.
So yeah, the idea that Founding fathers were some kind of fanatical isolationists just doesn't fit, even when USA had relatively little weight to throw around in the world, it didn't shy away from what it could do with what it had at all.

Fanatical Isolationists, no. "Interfere with ancient blood cult feud wars", also no. :V

>potential enemies
WUT?

We're going to disagree on this matter so I suggest we don't discuss it. But 'foreign ethnostate which sways elections, spies on citizens, blows up your military assets, and sells your military secrets to the lowest bidder' is...Certainly not your allies.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Whatever lie you want to tell yourself so that you can pretend you don't want to commit cultural genocide. Your good buddy Putin thinks the same thing about Ukraine.

Uncomfortable thought of the day: maybe some cultures don't deserve to continue...

Been struggling with that thought lately.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Uncomfortable thought of the day: maybe some cultures don't deserve to continue...

Been struggling with that thought lately.

That ultimately opens up a can of worms that justifies previous horrors. ;(

 

[Marduk]

According to who? Who is this person or person who is dictating from on high to the American people? And why should be be taking what they say as if it was handed down to us by God?

Because it is childish to not take up responsibilities that come with your position, which you very much enjoy, even if you don't realize this, and may result in loss of that position and all the perks that come with it, you don't appreciate and take them for granted.

You are speaking of the first Barbary War. Which occurred when Tripolitania declared war on the USA after it stopped paying them tribute, blocked trading through the Mediterranean and kidnapped US sailors.

In response to which the USA marched over, made itself enough of a problem that Tripolitania signed a peace treaty with in, then went home.

Which is a far cry from the conflict in Israel, the situation in the Middle East and the direction you and ‘neo-conservatives’ like you want to take it, despite your claims.

Hamas did take a number of US citizens hostage btw, in addition to a lot of general hostility to US and its interests.

Fanatical Isolationists, no. "Interfere with ancient blood cult feud wars", also no. :V

The whole Arabs taking tribute and hostages thing is also very much an ancient feud thing.

We're going to disagree on this matter so I suggest we don't discuss it. But 'foreign ethnostate which sways elections, spies on citizens, blows up your military assets, and sells your military secrets to the lowest bidder' is...Certainly not your allies.

Yes, we will disagree, but good that you have admitted to entering the conversation out of an incredibly eyebrow raising position that is generally not associated positively.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

That ultimately opens up a can of worms that justifies previous horrors. ;(

Thus the uncomfortableness of the thought.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Yes, we will disagree, but good that you have admitted to entering the conversation out of an incredibly eyebrow raising position that is generally not associated positively.

Just because something isn't viewed positively, doesn't mean it's wrong.

According to public consensus, the vaccines are safe, men are women, biden won the election, and modern music is banging.

 

[Marduk]

Just because something isn't viewed positively, doesn't mean it's wrong.

According to public consensus, the vaccines are safe, men are women, biden won the election, and modern music is banging.

Just because mainstream media consensus is wrong about some things doesn't mean it's lying about absolutely everything, which in turn should make you careful about mistaking it with the actual public consensus, as even the masses sometimes disagree with it.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Just because mainstream media consensus is wrong about some things doesn't mean it's lying about absolutely everything, which in turn should make you careful about mistaking it with the actual public consensus, as even the masses sometimes disagree with it.

"Only 60% of Americans don't believe in Unicorns that fly over their houses" is hardly a good statistic. XD But you're right, baseless contrarianism isn't a good thing to practice.

I would like to say that so far the track record of these elites/insane-people is so abhorrent, that you can really just be contrarian to their points and be right every single time. As absurd as it sounds, 'predictive contrarianism'. Lmao.

 

[Bacle]

Whatever lie you want to tell yourself so that you can pretend you don't want to commit cultural genocide. Your good buddy Putin thinks the same thing about Ukraine.

There is no 'Palestinian' culture, unless you count Hamas and Islamic Jihad as 'culture'; the whole shebang is a lie push by Yassar Arafat and friends to use Arab outcasts as catspaws against Israel.

Ukraine on the other hand has effectively existed in one form or another since Kyiv was first founded, and didn't come into being as a nation through the dictates of one man and his hate for Jews.