Science Hydroxychloroquine and it's Discontents

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Ah Pelosi fat shaming the President... what a world we have come to...

What's everyones (probably non-expert) opinion on this whole issue? I've seen some hilariously sad reactions on social media (of course) regarding the drug and its inflated side effects and obviously the 'experts' real and fake are in disagreement over using this as a treatment but it is a developing issue that has become unfortunately politicized (like everything) because Trump mildly endorsed it several weeks ago and now it's ballooned into a whole thing.

Any thoughts or observations anyone has on this particular issue?
 

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Hydroxychloroquine has been approved for use in the USA since 1955, with millions of people using it every year for decades. I don't know whether or not it helps with the Wuhan Virus, but the fear mongering over negative side effects is absolutely absurd. It can have negative side effects in large doses or when used for prolonged periods, but these side effects are very well understood. The leftist establishment is acting like hydroxychloroquine is some kind of extremely dangerous super experimental chemical instead of a medicine that has been well understood and extensively used across the world for decades.
 

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Presumably Trump's taking it at the prescription and oversight of the Presidential doctor who, I also presume, is probably a pretty solid cookie in the realm of health and the like (certainly more-so than myself or virtually everybody raising a stink). That doctor-patient relationship saw Trump prescribed the stuff, so whatever. It's his health affairs.

Trump would've been well-served to not be as gung-ho on the stuff in the past from a general optics and appearance standpoint, and that semi-sorta continues here in that advertising he's doing it is a bit...poor form, given that previous context. But it's a tempest in a teacup story (as is the hypocritical pearl-clutching from some on the right about how 'Oh no, Pelosi called him fat').
 

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Presumably Trump's taking it at the prescription and oversight of the Presidential doctor who, I also presume, is probably a pretty solid cookie in the realm of health and the like (certainly more-so than myself or virtually everybody raising a stink). That doctor-patient relationship saw Trump prescribed the stuff, so whatever. It's his health affairs.

Trump would've been well-served to not be as gung-ho on the stuff in the past from a general optics and appearance standpoint, and that semi-sorta continues here in that advertising he's doing it is a bit...poor form, given that previous context. But it's a tempest in a teacup story (as is the hypocritical pearl-clutching from some on the right about how 'Oh no, Pelosi called him fat').
On the contrary, Trump taking it himself is a crushingly effective move, as far as optics and appearance go. The media has been claiming for a month or two now that it's this horribly unsafe, untested thing.

Now, Trump has been taking it himself, clearly to no significant ill effect. He's blatantly proven them to be the liars and frauds they are, yet again.
 

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Isn't this the same drug a Democrat took and got better but everyone else told that Democrat to shut up?
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Trump to my surprise has been playing the long game, piss of the democrats create a fake outrage, then do it again and again until the public at large is just sick of the outrage machine. The left has burned political capital, money and resources and their conditioned to fight trump on every thing.

Which means that if he has a good idea and they fight him on it they look bad. Its been 4 years of forthing anger and rage and constant attacks and the left is starting to look tired, exhausted, and their bleeding money.

And he's just going to keep it up, can the democrats keep it up for another 4 years? I don't know I think a party collapse is coming soon.
 

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If your enemy is of coloric temperament provoke him.

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Trump to my surprise has been playing the long game, piss of the democrats create a fake outrage, then do it again and again until the public at large is just sick of the outrage machine. The left has burned political capital, money and resources and their conditioned to fight trump on every thing.

Which means that if he has a good idea and they fight him on it they look bad. Its been 4 years of forthing anger and rage and constant attacks and the left is starting to look tired, exhausted, and their bleeding money.

And he's just going to keep it up, can the democrats keep it up for another 4 years? I don't know I think a party collapse is coming soon.
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You really were born in the wrong time. Back then it was the norm to get some action overseas.
Not really we didn't mess abroad until WW1 in any real capacity. Smacking around injuns and various uppity Hispanics sure. I wouldn't call that overseas though.
 

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Justifiably so. What was considered state of the art back then is now outdated. Soldiers then would want what you have now to wage an easier war in open battle.

Not really we didn't mess abroad until WW1 in any real capacity. Smacking around injuns and various uppity Hispanics sure. I wouldn't call that overseas though.
I was thinking of the Europeans who had a love of exploring.
 

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Lancet apparently did do a survey of the Hydroxychloroquine treatments of Covid patients and at this juncture it doesn't seem to appear to be positive at this juncture in improving outcomes, mostly due to particularly side effects related to certain comorbidities like heart problems or diabetes.

I think it's will likely work better as profalasis rather than acute treatment.

Which really is the more important bit, for public health. Maybe it cannot save you once to you are in a bad way, but maybe it can keep you from getting sick, or as sick, if you take it beforehand.
 

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Lancet apparently did do a survey of the Hydroxychloroquine treatments of Covid patients and at this juncture it doesn't seem to appear to be positive at this juncture in improving outcomes, mostly due to particularly side effects related to certain comorbidities like heart problems or diabetes.

As I recall, you need to have Hydroxychloroquine taken with Zinc for the full positive effects, none of those in this study did.

I've heard multiple first-hand accounts from medical professionals and those who work for them that say it has excellent results. Not that they suggest it for universal use, but that it has excellent results in most cases.

Also, this survey ran on data from December 20th to the middle of April. That means it was started before the epidemic was even understood to be a thing, and before the drug had been suggested as a treatment, which makes me wonder about a lot of details regarding this whole thing.
 
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