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[History Learner]

Yes, used to, and as you notice, me, most of the right, and let's not even get into the rest of our compatriots, don't share your vision of religion and its place in society, and if you bear arms in the name of enforcing it upon them, they will respond in kind.
As such, i conclude nationalism alone has far better chances of dealing with immigration and many other issues without carrying the universally unpopular baggage of your theocratic ideas on its back.

We can now conclude that @King Arts won this argument by verdict of history:



Also, remember when you argued with me on this? Chalk up another victory point for me too; let's hope you don't get knifed by a Pakistani though!

 

[Marduk]

We can now conclude that @King Arts won this argument by verdict of history:



Also, remember when you argued with me on this? Chalk up another victory point for me too; let's hope you don't get knifed by a Pakistani though!

You are clearly trying to get on my nerves by tagging me and reposting some short bird app take at me.

So, here's my reply to you:
Cope, mald, seethe and dilate. You clearly can't read Polish, only regurgitate bird app and appropriately spit out the cud, messing up the place. I've already addressed the topic earlier, about 4 pages ago, showing that you either didn't bother to check and demonstrating how little you care about the topic, or are just aching for a flamewar that much, either way revealing what you're here for. So, sod off to 4chan, they don't have civility rules there.

 

[History Learner]

You are clearly trying to get on my nerves by tagging me and reposting some short bird app take at me.

Oh, I do love the seething I trigger in you Marduk.

So, here's my reply to you:
Cope, mald, seethe and dilate. You clearly can't read Polish, only regurgitate bird app and appropriately spit out the cud, messing up the place. I've already addressed the topic earlier, about 4 pages ago, showing that you either didn't bother to check and demonstrating how little you care about the topic, or are just aching for a flamewar that much, either way revealing what you're here for. So, sod off to 4chan, they don't have civility rules there.

Good thing I'm actually friends with Poles who gave me the Polish sources in question to know, isn't that just unfortunate for you Marduk? Work permits issued to Muslim countries by year, from the official Polish Government data:

 

[Marduk]

Oh, I do love the seething I trigger in you Marduk.

I know. You have admitted to trolling here just today.

Taiwan Straights Tension

All of the TSMC facilities are within a few miles of the coast, in three different cities. If the CCP could get troops on the shore, they could probably get into into the buildings, for a little while at least. However, even if they took the whole island, it would be pretty simple for the US...

www.the-sietch.com

Good thing I'm actually friends with Poles who gave me the Polish sources in question to know, isn't that just unfortunate for you Marduk? Work permits issued to Muslim countries by year, from the official Polish Government data:

Stop reminding me how bad with numbers you are.
>work permits, as in not residency, citizenship, refugee status, or such bullshit
>highest number equal to less than 1% of population.

 

[DarthOne]

Somone need to tell @Marduk that denile isn't a river in Africa.

 

[History Learner]

Stop reminding me how bad with numbers you are.
>work permits, as in not residency, citizenship, refugee status, or such bullshit

Work Permits are residency in Poland, Marduk, unless you believe Pakistanis are making the daily commute from Lahore? You continue to astound me how bad you are at this; do I need to cite the Polish Government data on what a work permit entails?

>highest number equal to less than 1% of population.

And this year "based Poland" intends to increase the highest number by about 3x and make it an annual number of immigration. A decade from now, at these numbers, Poland will easily be just as foreign as Germany is.

 

[Marduk]

Work Permits are residency in Poland, Marduk, unless you believe Pakistanis are making the daily commute from Lahore? You continue to astound me how bad you are at this; do I need to cite the Polish Government data on what a work permit entails?

Take these word games back to kindergarten, will ya?
Yes, please do that, and while at it, you can learn what are the differences between what work permit and residence entails.
Work permits let them live in Poland only as long as they work in a given job, which is rather unlikely to be "forever", and do not allow chain migration like permanent residence, that's the difference.

And this year "based Poland" intends to increase the highest number by about 3x and make it an annual number of immigration. A decade from now, at these numbers, Poland will easily be just as foreign as Germany is.

>intends
Source please. Government source, not a rando tweet.

 

[History Learner]

Take these word games back to kindergarten, will ya?
Yes, please do that, and while at it, you can learn what are the differences between what work permit and residence entails.
Work permits let them live in Poland only as long as they work in a given job, which is rather unlikely to be "forever", and do not allow chain migration like permanent residence, that's the difference.

This is exactly how mass migration into Germany started, they called them Gastarbeiters and they all ended up staying. There's a reason Germany is about 4% Turkish, nowadays.

>intends
Source please. Government source, not a rando tweet.

Here you go, citing the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The chart I provided was also from the Polish Government.

 

[Marduk]

This is exactly how mass migration into Germany started, they called them Gastarbeiters and they all ended up staying. There's a reason Germany is about 4% Turkish, nowadays.

Sorry, that's a wiki to random German word, dismissed with contempt. We're not Germany, we have own politics, just like Saudis do, not being colonized by their migrants despite using them more than the biggest libs in Europe would dream of.

Here you go, citing the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The chart I provided was also from the Polish Government.

And there you go with your "Polish friend" apparently not being available.

I choć trudno oszacować liczbę osób, które skorzystają z możliwości dostania łatwiej wizy, to w OSR przyjęto, że będzie to „nie mniej niż 400 tys. osób rocznie".

"It's hard to estimate how many people will take advantage of the opportunity to get a visa easier, OSR assumed it will be no less than 400k per year".

So here you go, you have been caught red handed throwing crudely manipulated claims at me and i hope you're ashamed.
The 400k refers to the total number of people who are guessed that they will use new system, not some immigration quota (nevermind islamic immigration quota) that the government will try to meet. Naturally it will also cover renewals by people who were previously using the more complicated visa system. Not to mention that not all countries on the list of easier visa program expansion are islamic (don't think Georgia or Thailand are for example), earlier on it was only Belarus, and the significant entry on the list of added countries is Ukraine, which considering the situation and the direct border may constitute a large part of that number.

 

[History Learner]

Sorry, that's a wiki to random German word, dismissed with contempt. We're not Germany, we have own politics, just like Saudis do, not being colonized by their migrants despite using them more than the biggest libs in Europe would dream of.

Try again:

Gastarbeiter (German for 'guest worker'; pronounced [ˈɡastˌʔaʁbaɪtɐ] (listen); both singular and plural) are foreign or migrant workers, particularly those who had moved to West Germany between 1955 and 1973, seeking work as part of a formal guest worker program (Gastarbeiterprogramm). As a result, guestworkers are generally considered temporary migrants because their residency in the country of immigration is not yet determined to be permanent.​

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Since Poland has it's own politics, is that why 5% of its population is foreign?

And there you go with your "Polish friend" apparently not being available.

"It's hard to estimate how many people will take advantage of the opportunity to get a visa easier, OSR assumed it will be no less than 400k per year".

So here you go, you have been caught red handed throwing crudely manipulated claims at me and i hope you're ashamed.
The 400k refers to the total number of people who are guessed that they will use new system, not some immigration quota (nevermind islamic immigration quota) that the government will try to meet. Naturally it will also cover renewals by people who were previously using the more complicated visa system. Not to mention that not all countries on the list of easier visa program expansion are islamic (don't think Georgia or Thailand are for example), earlier on it was only Belarus, and the significant entry on the list of added countries is Ukraine, which considering the situation and the direct border may constitute a large part of that number.

What have I to be ashamed when it is exactly as I claimed, Marduk? If anything I had the scale wrong; I said 400,000 but the source says no less than 400,000; it could be even more than I said.

By all means, tell us what this new system is and who is using it.

 

[History Learner]

Somone need to tell @Marduk that denile isn't a river in Africa.

Not even factoring in the current/future plans of PiS, let's review what they did in 2022. I'd love to see @Marduk explain away the 33,300 Uzbeks, 25,000 Turks, and 13,500 Bangladeshis the "Based PiS" let into Poland.

 

[Marduk]

Not even factoring in the current/future plans of PiS, let's review what they did in 2022. I'd love to see @Marduk explain away the 33,300 Uzbeks, 25,000 Turks, and 13,500 Bangladeshis the "Based PiS" let into Poland.

And i'd love to see you fuck off from this forum...
So guess what, we both can't have what we would love to see.

Try again:

Gastarbeiter (German for 'guest worker'; pronounced [ˈɡastˌʔaʁbaɪtɐ] (listen); both singular and plural) are foreign or migrant workers, particularly those who had moved to West Germany between 1955 and 1973, seeking work as part of a formal guest worker program (Gastarbeiterprogramm). As a result, guestworkers are generally considered temporary migrants because their residency in the country of immigration is not yet determined to be permanent.
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Since Poland has it's own politics, is that why 5% of its population is foreign?

Still random German word, not a government document.

What have I to be ashamed when it is exactly as I claimed, Marduk?

You linked to a graph of islamic country work visas...
And then claimed this means tripling it, even though the 400k number includes other big migration sources for Poland like Ukraine. And then to add insult to injury imply that work visas are forever adding to net migration rather than you know, being renewed.
If you think it's the same thing, i recommend a visit to a brain doctor.

If anything I had the scale wrong; I said 400,000 but the source says no less than 400,000; it could be even more than I said.

By all means, tell us what this new system is and who is using it.

My rate for you is 50$ per hour of translation work.

 

[History Learner]

And i'd love to see you fuck off from this forum...
So guess what, we both can't have what we would love to see.

The satisfaction of knowing I beat you and there is nothing you can do but seethe on this point is it's own reward.

Still random German word, not a government document.

Nor did I claim it was such and, funnily enough, neither did you ask for a government document on this point.

You linked to a graph of islamic country work visas...

Yeap, which showed well over 100,000 last year. I then pointed out this is exactly what happened in Germany before.

And then claimed this means tripling it, even though the 400k number includes other big migration sources for Poland like Ukraine. And then to add insult to injury imply that work visas are forever adding to net migration rather than you know, being renewed.

No, I actually included an article citing the 400,000+ figure which you didn't dispute the authenticity of, by the way. I know math isn't your strong point Marduk, but if they issued 130k permits last year specifically to Muslim immigrants, and they're increasing work permits with most of the countries on the list being Muslim, what do you think is going to happen to the total number of Muslims in Poland?

If you think it's the same thing, i recommend a visit to a brain doctor.

I'd rather help you plan avoiding get stabbed by a Pakistani. You're going to need that help very soon, after all.

 

[Marduk]

The satisfaction of knowing I beat you and there is nothing you can do but seethe on this point is it's own reward.

The only thing you are beating is ego stroking records.

Nor did I claim it was such and, funnily enough, neither did you ask for a government document on this point.

Stop with this tail chasing bullshit, it's childish, are you 15 or something?

Work Permits are residency in Poland, Marduk, unless you believe Pakistanis are making the daily commute from Lahore? You continue to astound me how bad you are at this; do I need to cite the Polish Government data on what a work permit entails?

Take these word games back to kindergarten, will ya?
Yes, please do that, and while at it, you can learn what are the differences between what work permit and residence entails.
Work permits let them live in Poland only as long as they work in a given job, which is rather unlikely to be "forever", and do not allow chain migration like permanent residence, that's the difference.

This is exactly how mass migration into Germany started, they called them Gastarbeiters and they all ended up staying. There's a reason Germany is about 4% Turkish, nowadays.

Cite the documents you offered instead of wiki for gastarbeiter (lol) or forever silence yourself.

Yeap, which showed well over 100,000 last year. I then pointed out this is exactly what happened in Germany before.

So fucking what? Poland is not Germany, are you one of those people who thing otherwise?

No, I actually included an article citing the 400,000+ figure which you didn't dispute the authenticity of, by the way. I know math isn't your strong point Marduk, but if they issued 130k permits last year specifically to Muslim immigrants, and they're increasing work permits with most of the countries on the list being Muslim, what do you think is going to happen to the total number of Muslims in Poland?

Yeah, most, go on, imply Poland has progressive equal quotas per country, rather than you know, a disproportionate number of those visas going to Ukraine, beclown yourself befittingly.
Sorry, your attempts at fortune telling are as trustworthy to me as a piece of used toilet paper.

I'd rather help you plan avoiding get stabbed by a Pakistani. You're going to need that help very soon, after all.

I'd rather help you avoiding drowning in a puddle of water. It's amazing it didn't happen to you yet.

 

[Agent23]

We can now conclude that @King Arts won this argument by verdict of history:



Also, remember when you argued with me on this? Chalk up another victory point for me too; let's hope you don't get knifed by a Pakistani though!

Yeah, that is the Polish IT industry bribing their current government to pass shit just before the elections right there.
Our local "union of startups" and a bunch of "IT" read shitty middlemen/outsourcers did the same crap.

Apparently all the Ukrainian and Russian ITs and whole IT companies they got thanks to the current mess is not enough.

I have personally got 2-3 HRs from there or transplanted there from Ukraine offering me stuff this month.
And from what I hear from a friend the situation in that area is booming.

 

[Doomsought]

Yeah, that is the Polish IT industry bribing their current government to pass shit just before the elections right there.
Our local "union of startups" and a bunch of "IT" read shitty middlemen/outsourcers did the same crap.

From my experience in the industry, this sort of action is an own goal. The sorts of places they are trying to outsource to market people with the skills of an unpaid intern as senior level developers.

 

[Agent23]

From my experience in the industry, this sort of action is an own goal. The sorts of places they are trying to outsource to market people with the skills of an unpaid intern as senior level developers.

Tell me about it...
It is even worse when they ship in buffoons from shitholes and pay them huge(compared to eastern europe) salaries.

However, we are talking about Polish native enterprises here(And some Ukrainian and formerly Russian ones, too) that subcon to other companies.

Fuckers I've had to deal with and are billed as 'senior' with the alleged hashicorp terraform certificates routinely have no idea what a state file or a lock file are.

 

[Doomsought]

Fuckers I've had to deal with and are billed as 'senior' with the alleged hashicorp terraform certificates routinely have no idea what a state file or a lock file are.

For my encounter with a fraudulent senior developer: They were asked to modify a bit of dynamic SQL I wrote which gave row counts of data associated with a customer from different tables into something that would let a customer download their rows from one of those tables. Something I could do in a single day. It took them almost two months of staring at the SQL while drooling and doing nothing of value for them to ask for my help. They were slack jawed while I how the dynamic SQL worked to them. Several weeks after that, I was asked to fix their mess. I did not use what they worked on.

From then on, I referred to them as an unpaid intern, because unpain interns are not legally permitted to provide value to their employer.

 

[Agent23]

For my encounter with a fraudulent senior developer: They were asked to modify a bit of dynamic SQL I wrote which gave row counts of data associated with a customer from different tables into something that would let a customer download their rows from one of those tables. Something I could do in a single day. It took them almost two months of staring at the SQL while drooling and doing nothing of value for them to ask for my help. They were slack jawed while I how the dynamic SQL worked to them. Several weeks after that, I was asked to fix their mess. I did not use what they worked on.

From then on, I referred to them as an unpaid intern, because unpain interns are not legally permitted to provide value to their employer.

Never used that, myself, but I am hardly a DB programmer or administrator.
Thst said, I have my own stupid story about SQL.With 3 senior geniuses telling me that the only way to update akey in a JSON column was to use a script that modified every single one, without connection pooling or parallelism to boot.

Indices for that same DB, nada.

Table partition, what is that.

And it had about 750k rows in production.

 

[Aldarion]

I know. You have admitted to trolling here just today.

Taiwan Straights Tension

All of the TSMC facilities are within a few miles of the coast, in three different cities. If the CCP could get troops on the shore, they could probably get into into the buildings, for a little while at least. However, even if they took the whole island, it would be pretty simple for the US...

www.the-sietch.com

Stop reminding me how bad with numbers you are.
>work permits, as in not residency, citizenship, refugee status, or such bullshit
>highest number equal to less than 1% of population.

That is how it starts. Do you really think West immediately went with "residency, citizenship, refugee status or such bullshit"?

Point is, Polish rulers are intent on genociding Poland.