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[DarthOne]

We punish our own.
Because fuck the Hague.

So ‘we punish our own when they get politically inconvenient enough’ then.

 

[King Arts]

Wouldn't help in the long term. The Globalist would eventually just use it to remove their political competitors.

Well we can also use it to remove them remember that the neocons would have been fucked if we did that.

We punish our own.
Because fuck the Hague.

No we don’t our military and government is corrupt as hell they don’t arrest or execute war criminals, or those who start wars. Bush isn’t in prison, neither are many soldiers who killed civilians. Fact is only a few low ranking soldiers who did war crimes were punished.

 

[Marduk]

Well we can also use it to remove them remember that the neocons would have been fucked if we did that.

Dude, who do you think sits on that court? What sort of hare brained idea is to try give more power to leftists to stick it to neocons? This is some ass backwards reasoning, we should be trying to sic neocons on leftists.

No we don’t our military and government is corrupt as hell they don’t arrest or execute war criminals, or those who start wars. Bush isn’t in prison, neither are many soldiers who killed civilians. Fact is only a few low ranking soldiers who did war crimes were punished.

>those who start wars
LMAO, who gives a fuck, there are perfectly good reasons to start wars, what are you, a pacifist?

 

[King Arts]

Dude, who do you think sits on that court? What sort of hare brained idea is to try give more power to leftists to stick it to neocons? This is some ass backwards reasoning, we should be trying to sic neocons on leftists.

WTF are you talking about?
Neocons are willing cucks for leftists. The only groups that want to start wars are leftist and neocons. Traditional conservatives and paleocons don’t want to go to the third world OR bring the 3rd world here so we would not have to worry about war crime trials.

those who start wars
LMAO, who gives a fuck, there are perfectly good reasons to start wars, what are you, a pacifist?

There are few good reasons to start wars especially in today’s age. But you are right that sometimes you have to do hard things to end a war quickly in your favor. But I think that such a limit is acceptable to gain political advantage, and if worse comes to worse we can selectively interpret the law and only give the have SOME of the war criminals that they ask for.

Imagine it everyone if Trump and congress during his term joined the ICC we could have arrested Bush, Cheyney, Rowe and others and sent them there to be tried for Iraq. It’s not just neocons it’s also leftists though. We could have arrested Obama, Biden, and Hillary for their actions in the drone strike program. Imagine that we could have avoided the Biden presidency but wouldn’t because some conservative “patriots” are proud and want to “handle our own” handling our own has not worked those that should be handled in jail end up being presidents and the former president that everyone here loves might end up going to jail.

 

[Zachowon]

So ‘we punish our own when they get politically inconvenient enough’ then.

What is the Hague gonna do? Punish those that did what we told them to and eas effective?
We punished almost all the ones the Hague would have. A few were exceptions

Well we can also use it to remove them remember that the neocons would have been fucked if we did that.

Hahahahaha. It would have made it so every good general we ever had was tried.

No we don’t our military and government is corrupt as hell they don’t arrest or execute war criminals, or those who start wars. Bush isn’t in prison, neither are many soldiers who killed civilians. Fact is only a few low ranking soldiers who did war crimes were punished.

Civilians die as casualties to war all the time.
Do you think the artillery crew member who fired a round at coordinates he was told to should be charged?

You are idiotic if letting a foreign power try and convict our troops is a good thing.

And Bush still had actual reason to invade A-stan. And his reasoning to invade Iraq for WMDs...well @mrttao has made that point very obvious.
Why isn't Putin arrested then? What about Thatcher before she died?

You are acting like the liberal people in charge if the Hague are good people

 

[Marduk]

WTF are you talking about?
Neocons are willing cucks for leftists.

And?
You want to cuck for leftists too right here to stick it to neocons (burned out politically anyway) them for no real benefit. Is this some unifinished meme business from Bush era unpopularity of his wars? Talk about giving leftists more power just to kick a dead horse because the horse was kinda dumb.

The only groups that want to start wars are leftist and neocons. Traditional conservatives and paleocons don’t want to go to the third world OR bring the 3rd world here so we would not have to worry about war crime trials.

Stop listening to anyone who thinks isolationism is in any way a rational foreign policy, fuck those useful idiots. Ignorance of world politics is not something to be proud of, nevermind base whole foreign policy on.

There are few good reasons to start wars especially in today’s age. But you are right that sometimes you have to do hard things to end a war quickly in your favor. But I think that such a limit is acceptable to gain political advantage, and if worse comes to worse we can selectively interpret the law and only give the have SOME of the war criminals that they ask for.

Again, plenty of people with better idea about it would see more reasons to start wars, and whimsical selective interpretation of it and getting away is much harder once you sign up... for what benefit?

Imagine it everyone if Trump and congress during his term joined the ICC we could have arrested Bush, Cheyney, Rowe and others and sent them there to be tried for Iraq. It’s not just neocons it’s also leftists though. We could have arrested Obama, Biden, and Hillary for their actions in the drone strike program.

That's not how the ICC works, at least if you don't turn it into fucking puppets through some covert means (good luck), then if you do that sky is the limit, but i would not bet my money on that.
There are far better reasons to arrest them than meme left-pacifist bullshit, and they didn't get arrested for those reasons either.
Meanwhile the internationalists in charge of it would more realistically only stick it to their enemies and at most discarded pawns, while letting those who are still useful stay around for now, and threatening those who may not be obedient enough with charges.
Remember, ICC does not only concern itself with war crimes. Any politicians who would have done some of more spicier things you would want them to do would probably find themselves on the shitlib filled court's crosshairs faster than you can say fuck.

Imagine that we could have avoided the Biden presidency but wouldn’t because some conservative “patriots” are proud and want to “handle our own” handling our own has not worked those that should be handled in jail end up being presidents and the former president that everyone here loves might end up going to jail.

Yes, it takes a lot of imagining. Too much to take it seriously.
Meanwhile in reality it would be something for well connected EU politicians to threaten Biden with giving a word to their friends to dig up the GWOT history unless he does the right thing and signs USA up to some economically ruinous green grift initiative.

 

[Zachowon]

Ignoring the international community is what will get us invovled in a war.
Going isolationist will leas to one thing and one thing only.
China owning the world and we would be at its mercy.

 

[King Arts]

What is the Hague gonna do? Punish those that did what we told them to and eas effective?
We punished almost all the ones the Hague would have. A few were exceptions

Are you ignorant? Show me one general or politician that we have punished ourselves. No the only ones who are punished when we are in charge of "policing" our own is low level soldiers and pawns.

Hahahahaha. It would have made it so every good general we ever had was tried.

They must be pretty shitty generals since they ended up with us not achieving our objectives. Also most of Europe including the UK, and France are part of it, and they don't shoot their armies in the foot.

The ICC deals with big criminals. As for Thatcher she was never charged guess she did not do war crimes. As for Putin Russia is the same as America and decides to "handle it's own war criminals" I guess you want us to be like Russia and think they are doing the right thing and are keeping a lid down on their war crimes huh?

Civilians die as casualties to war all the time.
Do you think the artillery crew member who fired a round at coordinates he was told to should be charged?

You are idiotic if letting a foreign power try and convict our troops is a good thing.

And Bush still had actual reason to invade A-stan. And his reasoning to invade Iraq for WMDs...well @mrttao has made that point very obvious.
Why isn't Putin arrested then? What about Thatcher before she died?

You are acting like the liberal people in charge if the Hague are good people

Well they are better people than the neocons and the leftists in power. You may like the American leftists like Biden and Obama who brought us LGBT grooming but most of the right does not. And personally if we have to sacrifice "conservatives" like Bush that is a small price to pay.

Hell isn't the military about sacrificing yourself for your nation? Why are you bitching about this, this would be more beneficial for America than soldiers dying to insurgent bombs.

And?
You want to cuck for leftists too right here to stick it to neocons (burned out politically anyway) them for no real benefit. Is this some unifinished meme business from Bush era unpopularity of his wars? Talk about giving leftists more power just to kick a dead horse because the horse was kinda dumb.

It's not cucking to leftist to kneecap their willing slaves. Sending neocons, AND leftists like Obama, Hillary, and Biden to the ICC will not help the left.

Stop listening to anyone who thinks isolationism is in any way a rational foreign policy, fuck those useful idiots. Ignorance of world politics is not something to be proud of, nevermind base whole foreign policy on.

This has very little to do with isolationism. A smart person knows that there are more options between isolationism, and starting wars with other nations that benefit no one but a small group of people in charge.

Again, plenty of people with better idea about it would see more reasons to start wars, and whimsical selective interpretation of it and getting away is much harder once you sign up... for what benefit?

To get rid of and punish bad people especially those who are leftist. Again just because the ICC asks for someone does not mean we HAVE to turn them over. We can sign up for the ICC and then obey the rules sometimes and ignore them others. I know modern cuckservatives love to fellate the rules and pieces of paper but we should really stop that.

That's not how the ICC works, at least if you don't turn it into fucking puppets through some covert means (good luck), then if you do that sky is the limit, but i would not bet my money on that.
There are far better reasons to arrest them than meme left-pacifist bullshit, and they didn't get arrested for those reasons either.
Meanwhile the internationalists in charge of it would more realistically only stick it to their enemies and at most discarded pawns, while letting those who are still useful stay around for now, and threatening those who may not be obedient enough with charges.

What other reason can you arrest Obama for instance? Here is the thing the president is traditionally immune to prosecution for actions taken as the president. So what charge will work domestically?

Yes, it takes a lot of imagining. Too much to take it seriously.
Meanwhile in reality it would be something for well connected EU politicians to threaten Biden with giving a word to their friends to dig up the GWOT history unless he does the right thing and signs USA up to some economically ruinous green grift initiative.

You are just ignoring it and saying it won't work without any argument or proof.

Ignoring the international community is what will get us invovled in a war.
Going isolationist will leas to one thing and one thing only.
China owning the world and we would be at its mercy.

In another thread didn't you say that war is good for the government? That makes all of your other claims kinda untrustworthy.

 

[Marduk]

It's not cucking to leftist to kneecap their willing slaves. Sending neocons, AND leftists like Obama, Hillary, and Biden to the ICC will not help the left.

It is cucking to leftists to hand them over a bigger whip to control their slaves better, when they are dreaming of making you their next.
Again, you have no clue how the ICC works, you don't *send* whoever you want there, they get to investigate and charge who they decide that they have a problem with, and then various countries may or may not extradite those.

This has very little to do with isolationism. A smart person knows that there are more options between isolationism, and starting wars with other nations that benefit no one but a small group of people in charge.

Hence we should not join blanked leftist whining about muh wars in general.

To get rid of and punish bad people especially those who are leftist. Again just because the ICC asks for someone does not mean we HAVE to turn them over. We can sign up for the ICC and then obey the rules sometimes and ignore them others. I know modern cuckservatives love to fellate the rules and pieces of paper but we should really stop that.

Then the ICC will start charging you for failing to uphold the rules you agreed to follow.

What other reason can you arrest Obama for instance? Here is the thing the president is traditionally immune to prosecution for actions taken as the president. So what charge will work domestically?

>traditionally
Again, leftists won't care about that tradition if they need to, and it's strange for a nationalist to want an international court to have more power than domestic ones and "the people" combined.
Assuming a sufficiently far right wing government with sufficiently fanatical support base took over USA, Obama could be accused of treason on account of heavily stacking the administration with leftists instead of loyal and competent public servants.
That is if some shady stuff with China or such can't be documented enough.

You are just ignoring it and saying it won't work without any argument or proof.

The argument is that shitlibs will use their corrupt backroom deals to use it selectively for own causes, rather than following your extremely unlikely scheme.

 

[Typhonis]

China won't own the world. Their economy is an industiral sized game of Jenga and the One Child Policy plus Mao and his jolly cohorts have fucked China's long term demographics. They like Russia are running out of young people and I do not see the PRC inviting third worlders in to offset that.

 

[Zachowon]

China won't own the world. Their economy is an industiral sized game of Jenga and the One Child Policy plus Mao and his jolly cohorts have fucked China's long term demographics. They like Russia are running out of young people and I do not see the PRC inviting third worlders in to offset that.

They dint need to invade. They just need to bribe.
Us being isolationists would basically give China the go ahead to force thier way with every nation they have disputes left.

Our economy is invaluable to foreign markets, and the fact that China would invade first world countries and force countries to capitulate via destroying thier domestic economies with cheap imports.
USA would be alone. And weak.

 

[mrttao]

And Bush still had actual reason to invade A-stan. And his reasoning to invade Iraq for WMDs...well @mrttao has made that point very obvious.

I have been summoned...

Who is everyone?

We found a bunch of warheads with Sarin gas (nerve gas). As well as containers of the stuff. MSM argued it does not count because "it was degraded". even though it degrades after 2 weeks and we also found an entire supply chain and chemists whose job was to make more on demand.

We found a bunch of anthrax vans. acting as mobile easily hideable from inspectors source.
We caught thousands of iraqi's whose job was to make the chemical or biological weapons.

We also took away tons of partially enriched uranium that failed to reach weapons grade but was already enriched way beyond power plant grade.
In fact the UN bitched and moaned about the USA taking away all the uranium, for some reason.

The only thing we didn't find is nuclear bombs.
So we have lots of material evidence and testimonies.
You got gaslit by MSM into believing we found nothing.

I mean, you are not wrong about the military. They are working doubletime to prepare it to kill the "evil nazies" (maga).
And we did have some false pretense to the Iraqi war (claiming they had anything to do with 9-11. that was afghanistan).
But... Iraq did have WMDs

Iraq's main issue was shitty delivery systems. Their rocket range was abysmal. which is why saddam was able to gas the kurds in his own country. But when he tried to gas israel the rockets just failed to reach israel.

 

[Zachowon]

I have been summoned...

Danke.
I always can count on your Iraq WMDs

 

[King Arts]

It is cucking to leftists to hand them over a bigger whip to control their slaves better, when they are dreaming of making you their next.
Again, you have no clue how the ICC works, you don't *send* whoever you want there, they get to investigate and charge who they decide that they have a problem with, and then various countries may or may not extradite those.

They get to investigate certain crimes. They are limited to war crimes. The ICC has no army to force it's rules, it is dependent on nations agreeing to do that, or a more powerful nation forcing a weaker nation. If the U.S. wants to send someone there they can, if they don't they can refuse.

Hence we should not join blanked leftist whining about muh wars in general.

No the onus is on you and the war mongers to prove that a war is benneficial. Because hell for all we know America might bennefit if we launched all our nukes at every other nuclear power to decapitate them, if they refuse to respond then we win everything. If I suggested that because we might become dominant you'd call me an idiot.

Then the ICC will start charging you for failing to uphold the rules you agreed to follow.

The ICC is limited to prosecution of war crimes.

>traditionally
Again, leftists won't care about that tradition if they need to, and it's strange for a nationalist to want an international court to have more power than domestic ones and "the people" combined.
Assuming a sufficiently far right wing government with sufficiently fanatical support base took over USA, Obama could be accused of treason on account of heavily stacking the administration with leftists instead of loyal and competent public servants.
That is if some shady stuff with China or such can't be documented enough.

Yes traditionally did Obama arrest Bush?

The argument is that shitlibs will use their corrupt backroom deals to use it selectively for own causes, rather than following your extremely unlikely scheme.

So then you lose everything forever because we follow your philosophy which only leads to being a loser.

 

[King Arts]

They dint need to invade. They just need to bribe.
Us being isolationists would basically give China the go ahead to force thier way with every nation they have disputes left.

Our economy is invaluable to foreign markets, and the fact that China would invade first world countries and force countries to capitulate via destroying thier domestic economies with cheap imports.
USA would be alone. And weak.

You are literally making arguments that are contradictory. In one thread you say China and Russia aren't peer threats, then here you say that China will take over the entire world if we don't stop them? Make up your mind.

 

[Marduk]

They get to investigate certain crimes. They are limited to war crimes.

They absolutely fucking aren't the only ones, you are only proving that you make hare brained schemes without having the minimum of knowledge about the things involved.

International Criminal Court - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Read section "crimes against humanity" for few woke pet peeves.

The ICC has no army to force it's rules, it is dependent on nations agreeing to do that, or a more powerful nation forcing a weaker nation. If the U.S. wants to send someone there they can, if they don't they can refuse.

The people you would really want to send the shitlibs will refuse to take.

No the onus is on you and the war mongers to prove that a war is benneficial.

That's not how politics work.
Anyone who thinks there is a general argument for *all* hypothetical wars being beneficial or not is mentally unfit for politics in general.

The ICC is limited to prosecution of war crimes.

Again, LMAO.

Yes traditionally did Obama arrest Bush?

Did Trump arrest Hillary and Obama (member Hillary for prison)?
Obama was not confident in his power enough to get away with trying, and neither was Trump.
Probably correctly. But just wait and give leftist institutions more power...

So then you lose everything forever because we follow your philosophy which only leads to being a loser.

Yeah, sure, tell me what my philosophy is. For starters it doesn't include giving away more power to leftist causes to fuck over already dead neocon lobby for reasons. Leftist electorate that hates them won't love you for it, don't delude yourself. In terms of support they are practically dead. Who gives a fuck about them. This is leftist obsessive memes about muh bombed middle eastern shitholes leaking into the right through people exposed to this old leftist propaganda in their youth.

 

[Ixian]

Really it comes down to the fact that only Americans and American institutions, restricted under the Constitution should be legally prosecuting Americans.

Why the hell would we outsource our criminal justice to globalist whackjobs?

 

[Zachowon]

You are literally making arguments that are contradictory. In one thread you say China and Russia aren't peer threats, then here you say that China will take over the entire world if we don't stop them? Make up your mind.

They are a threat to us. Always will be unless we do something about it, and going isolationist is not the way.
China isn't a threat to us if we stay as world hegemon. We give that up they then become one

They absolutely fucking aren't the only ones, you are only proving that you make hare brained schemes without having the minimum of knowledge about the things involved.

International Criminal Court - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Read section "crimes against humanity" for few woke pet peeves.

The people you would really want to send the shitlibs will refuse to take.

That's not how politics work.
Anyone who thinks there is a general argument for *all* hypothetical wars being beneficial or not is mentally unfit for politics in general.


Again, LMAO.

Did Trump arrest Hillary and Obama (member Hillary for prison)?
Obama was not confident in his power enough to get away with trying, and neither was Trump.
Probably correctly. But just wait and give leftist institutions more power...

Yeah, sure, tell me what my philosophy is. For starters it doesn't include giving away more power to leftist causes to fuck over already dead neocon lobby for reasons. Leftist electorate that hates them won't love you for it, don't delude yourself. In terms of support they are practically dead. Who gives a fuck about them. This is leftist obsessive memes about muh bombed middle eastern shitholes leaking into the right through people exposed to this old leftist propaganda in their youth.

So a mass deportation of illegal immigrants would get Trump able to be charged by the ICC. Huh. Maybe we should let the lefties open up that can of worms, joking of course.

Really it comes down to the fact that only Americans and American institutions, restricted under the Constitution should be legally prosecuting Americans.

Why the hell would we outsource our criminal justice to globalist whackjobs?

Because "War crimes" I guess.
Dude really wants to put Bush and every Neocon on trial, as well as every soldier, Marine, Sailor and Airman who may have ever been invovled in civilian deaths.

 

[King Arts]

They absolutely fucking aren't the only ones, you are only proving that you make hare brained schemes without having the minimum of knowledge about the things involved.

I am willing to concede when I am wrong. And some of the stuff does give me pause. Like 4 which could be used to ban deportation, 5 which could lead to the crazy idea to abolish prisons, and 10 which might prevent banning abortion.
Ok you are right, I thought that the limit was just war crimes, and genocide. In light of this I am against joining up with it.

Though even so most of Europe are able to join it and not be forced to do wokeism. It's the EU that forces migrants on people not the ICC.

The people you would really want to send the shitlibs will refuse to take.

Are you saying there was no warrant for Bush, or Obama?

That's not how politics work.
Anyone who thinks there is a general argument for *all* hypothetical wars being beneficial or not is mentally unfit for politics in general.

That's how you seem to act, you support wars against China, Russia, the middle east, Africa. Is there any nation you would be against the US invading besides Poland?

Did Trump arrest Hillary and Obama (member Hillary for prison)?
Obama was not confident in his power enough to get away with trying, and neither was Trump.
Probably correctly. But just wait and give leftist institutions more power...

So leftists will just win since they will get the power you are too scared to get and use?

Yeah, sure, tell me what my philosophy is. For starters it doesn't include giving away more power to leftist causes to fuck over already dead neocon lobby for reasons. Leftist electorate that hates them won't love you for it, don't delude yourself. In terms of support they are practically dead. Who gives a fuck about them. This is leftist obsessive memes about muh bombed middle eastern shitholes leaking into the right through people exposed to this old leftist propaganda in their youth.

You have this American conservative fear of power. It's the same reason many support "small government" you've even defended this idea in the past. You say "Oh we shouldn't do this or create this power because it will be used against us, it's illegitimate!" So then that lets the liberals create it and shape it how they want. We can see this with how federal police agencies and federal central power and strong central standing armies work. Those who have control of them are in charge, and the small government types who decry the DEA, ATF, FBI as illegitimate don't do anything since they can't stop it.


Oh and your ideas about "not giving a fuck about those who are practically dead" is the same type of buffoonery that allows libeals to win and get away with everything. No don't get revenge, no they lost power blah blah blah. It's because of ideas like yours that leftists like Stalin were able to win and die of natural causes.

Really it comes down to the fact that only Americans and American institutions, restricted under the Constitution should be legally prosecuting Americans.

Why the hell would we outsource our criminal justice to globalist whackjobs?

Because the constitution has left a big fucking hole that protects Bush, Obama, Biden, etc. and all other corrupt politicians so that we no longer are in a democracy or Republic but an oligarchy. It's because of this that an update is needed.

They are a threat to us. Always will be unless we do something about it, and going isolationist is not the way.
China isn't a threat to us if we stay as world hegemon. We give that up they then become one

So if they are a threat, then they are either a peer, or near peer power. If you are able to be a threat to someone instead of a minor nuisance then you are a peer. A peer does not mean you are equally strong. It just means you are on the same or similar level.

So a mass deportation of illegal immigrants would get Trump able to be charged by the ICC. Huh. Maybe we should let the lefties open up that can of worms, joking of course.

Fair enough thats why I retracted my statement for the ICC. If we do a deportation we should be able to do it without getting blindsided by foreign rivals.

Because "War crimes" I guess.
Dude really wants to put Bush and every Neocon on trial, as well as every soldier, Marine, Sailor and Airman who may have ever been invovled in civilian deaths.

What is wrong with that? Diden't you say we "took care of our own war crime trials" If so then you should have no problem with that. Fuck any soldier that was involved in civilian deaths they are a dishonorable piece of shit and don't deserve respect or "being thanked for their service" You aren't servicing me by killing civilians, and women and children. I receive no benefit from that flat out, this is ignoring the moral objection but flat out I get no benefit.

 

[Marduk]

I am willing to concede when I am wrong. And some of the stuff does give me pause. Like 4 which could be used to ban deportation, 5 which could lead to the crazy idea to abolish prisons, and 10 which might prevent banning abortion.
Ok you are right, I thought that the limit was just war crimes, and genocide. In light of this I am against joining up with it.

Though even so most of Europe are able to join it and not be forced to do wokeism. It's the EU that forces migrants on people not the ICC.

Even Hungary is not going too aggressively about deportations or something like that, while no one knows how aggressively leftist ICC will get in near future, but chances are it will be more rather than less than now.

Are you saying there was no warrant for Bush, or Obama?

I don't know, was there?

List of people indicted in the International Criminal Court - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's how you seem to act, you support wars against China, Russia, the middle east, Africa. Is there any nation you would be against the US invading besides Poland?

Its other allies, like Japan, Israel, UK, France, Germany and countless other allied or neutral countries (sorry i won't be listing a hundred or so).
But with countries that are recognized (and often also self declared) enemies and their friends and proxies, it should always be at least under consideration.

So leftists will just win since they will get the power you are too scared to get and use?

If you have a realistic way to actually take over institutions like ICC, stack them with hardline pro-western rightwingers and give them more power *only after that is done*, i'm listening.
If you think you can sign away more more power to them and in exchange expect them to take down your center-left and center-right enemies with the aid of far left that's butthurt about them not being leftist enough but not you, i'm laughing.

You have this American conservative fear of power. It's the same reason many support "small government" you've even defended this idea in the past. You say "Oh we shouldn't do this or create this power because it will be used against us, it's illegitimate!" So then that lets the liberals create it and shape it how they want. We can see this with how federal police agencies and federal central power and strong central standing armies work. Those who have control of them are in charge, and the small government types who decry the DEA, ATF, FBI as illegitimate don't do anything since they can't stop it.

Since when do right wingers (i mean more conservative than weed lmao libertarian ones) hate DEA of all things? Or better yet, ICE and Border Patrol?
By your logic, on account of that those should be full of hardcore rightwingers...
But are they?
No, the government, as in usual executive and legislature, decide who to stack them with.
If FBI was full of fanatical communist hunters like it was rumored to be in the old days, i think a lot more right wingers would support it, bah, i think they even did before current controversies, but not even Trump has made that happen, even halfway, so let's be realistic. Better small small leftist government than big leftist government.

If we have to choose between small or large right wing government, it's still a legitimate controversy on the grounds of which is more effective, as large governments tend to create wasteful and corrupt bureaucracies ripe both for internal infiltration (it's easier to keep track of 10 agencies and who staffs them than a bazillion agencies) and external shaming over their failures, which such cumbersome organizations usually become famous for sooner or later.

Oh and your ideas about "not giving a fuck about those who are practically dead" is the same type of buffoonery that allows libeals to win and get away with everything. No don't get revenge, no they lost power blah blah blah. It's because of ideas like yours that leftists like Stalin were able to win and die of natural causes.

Leftists hate history and favor "permanent state of revolution". They want to shit all over our history, because that is their principle, and it will damage continuation of any sort of more classic or traditional society - be it ancient, medieval, enlightenment, or industrial era "great people" and their ideas.
But you can't do the same to leftists and expect similar effect - their vanguard is perfectly happy to shit on socialists of century ago for not going far enough without any input from our side.
Getting "revenge" on neocons for relatively minor differences while we have leftists running amok, and not even doing it ourselves but at the risk of giving leftists more power to exact this revenge for us, that's insane.