DarthOne
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Liberty Safes sold out the whole 2A community by granting the FBI an access code, we're not going nearly hard enough on them.
The fact that you fell for some corporate bs says a ton about you.
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The fact that you fell for some corporate bs says a ton about you.
LOL!
What is says is that I'm willing to let them prove their words wrong by their actions.
I own a Liberty Safe. I also bought an analog combination safe instead of a digital one. I have a direct relation to this company, and they have already heard from me.
It's ok to screw up, on the individual level and on the business level. What you do when that mistake is noticed matters a lot.
They have acknowledged their mistake, and have moved forward in a manner that addresses the issues raised by their customers.
So what does Liberty need to do in order to satisfy you?
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Ixian
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I mean, is it really paranoia when we have proof they actively assisted the federal government in violating the privacy of one of their customers?
They were under no legal obligation to provid assistance, they chose to do so.
It's not about satisfying him, it's about making Liberty an enemy of the Right in perpetuity and trying to get others onboard with that feeling, it seems.
One fuck-up in not supporting the 'Right' means no mercy or remorse in labelling former friends/neutrals as enemies now, because the other side is doing damn near the same and has the power to ruin lives with lies enforced by Federal agents, or at least that seems to be the thought process.
Darth doesn't tend to look to deep into things if the surface impression meets his favored biases/narratives, and has been called out for post shit that was either openly inaccurate, or openly being pushed by grifters, on multiple occasions.
He just wants to see people angry at the the things he is angry about, facts be damned.
I get why y'all feel this way, but I'm curious as to what @DarthOne remedy for this would be, if he has one.
Wargamer08
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I'm not going to speak for someone else, but for me Liberty Safe hasn't said a word about how they see going to make up to the guy they sold out to federal agents. Now I'm sure that the safe company felt that they were in a bad situation, who wants to get in a pissing contest with the FBI? Doesn't matter, unless the FBI is keeping them solvent and running, I expect you to side with the customer base. Doublely so if you're going to be all rah rah, 2nd amendment. Force them to wake up another judge or drill the safe.
The company says that they're going to follow through on not actively helping government agents raiding customers? A good start, what about the one they admitted to fucking over?
That's a reasonable POV. I'm not surprised that we haven't heard this addressed by Liberty though, especially as it's still amidst a Federal investigation.
One way they could really move the needle here would be to start a fund to cover legal expenses for this individual saying, "Everyone is innocent till proven guilty."
Let's not talk ill of others.
Darth will admit when he is wrong and admit that things can be taken out of context.
We all don't have to agree on everything
Agreed, that's why I'm waiting to hear from @DarthOne
Yes, we do not have to agree on everything; that's not the issue.
However 9/10 it is the case he could have realized he was wrong about something if he actually put more brain power to things than "Supports Alt-Right narrative=true, does not support Alt-Right narrative=bad.", which seems the sum total of how he judges articles/perspectives.
Wargamer08
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In an era of such extreme amounts of propaganda, that isn't an incorrect starting point. It's not paranoia to assume that the media is pushing a very particular world ideal.
DarthOne
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My apologies for keeping everyone waiting, Real Life and some technical difficulties got in the way.
It s going to take a lot of time and effort on their part to do so. A cheap excuse in corporate-speak isn't going to cut it. I say this not just because of what they’ve done; but from who it comes from. Talk is cheap from corporations.
There is also the fact that Liberty Safe was under no legal rules to do so. The warrant that FBI had only covered that guy; it didn’t cover the safe or getting the company to give them the code. This is all something even Apple has refused to do. APPLE. Who is a company well know for their scummy-ness.
Furthermore, I’ve seen some speculation online that the code Liberty gave the FBI could in fact have been the Master Code; meaning that not only can the FBI open any Liberty safe it wants to, but that Liberty won’t be able to change the case to stop them. I however don’t know enough about safes to verify this.
There’s also something else that makes me deeply, deeply suspicious that this wasn’t just an ‘oppsie’ moment.
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Seems kind of suspicious, doesn't it?
I scarcely need to make Liberty an ‘enemy of the Right’ when they seem to have done such a spectacular job of doing that themselves. Any safe company knows that when they put their product out there that there are certain expectations for them.
Giving the access codes away to the Feds when they don’t legally have to us one of them. If it wasn’t for that, and the fact that the guy being targeted had the sole crime of being vaguely connected to the January 6th Incident, which had been used as political circus by the Establishment, none of this would have happened.
So it’s not a matter of ‘they aren’t blindly supporting my side’. Though I would argue that:
I don’t deny that I’ve been wrong and made mistakes in the past. There have been times when I certainly should have looked more into things then I should have. I am hardly unique in that sometimes my biases blind me.
But at the same time, I would be remiss in not pointing out that we live in an era where the vast majority of the mainstream media and ‘fact checkers’ are run by the same group of ideologues. At some point, and some times, one has to make a decision based on personal judgement of what’s being reported.
On a final note, I would like to say thank you in particular to @The Whispering Monk and @Zachowon for being willing to wait and hear me out. Especially Zachowon, despite our various disagreements.
It s going to take a lot of time and effort on their part to do so. A cheap excuse in corporate-speak isn't going to cut it. I say this not just because of what they’ve done; but from who it comes from. Talk is cheap from corporations.
There is also the fact that Liberty Safe was under no legal rules to do so. The warrant that FBI had only covered that guy; it didn’t cover the safe or getting the company to give them the code. This is all something even Apple has refused to do. APPLE. Who is a company well know for their scummy-ness.
Furthermore, I’ve seen some speculation online that the code Liberty gave the FBI could in fact have been the Master Code; meaning that not only can the FBI open any Liberty safe it wants to, but that Liberty won’t be able to change the case to stop them. I however don’t know enough about safes to verify this.
There’s also something else that makes me deeply, deeply suspicious that this wasn’t just an ‘oppsie’ moment.
UPDATE: Liberty Safe Betrayal? Company Owned By Firm That Donates to Anti-Gun Candidates
However, the implicit trust that customers place in the company should not be taken for granted. It should not expose them to potential breaches of privacy by Big Brother.
www.gunsamerica.com
Seems kind of suspicious, doesn't it?
I scarcely need to make Liberty an ‘enemy of the Right’ when they seem to have done such a spectacular job of doing that themselves. Any safe company knows that when they put their product out there that there are certain expectations for them.
Giving the access codes away to the Feds when they don’t legally have to us one of them. If it wasn’t for that, and the fact that the guy being targeted had the sole crime of being vaguely connected to the January 6th Incident, which had been used as political circus by the Establishment, none of this would have happened.
So it’s not a matter of ‘they aren’t blindly supporting my side’. Though I would argue that:
Is very, very true. Again, look at what’s happened to other January 6th ‘Insurrectionists’ under this increasingly authoritarian United States. And that’s just one instance.
I don’t deny that I’ve been wrong and made mistakes in the past. There have been times when I certainly should have looked more into things then I should have. I am hardly unique in that sometimes my biases blind me.
But at the same time, I would be remiss in not pointing out that we live in an era where the vast majority of the mainstream media and ‘fact checkers’ are run by the same group of ideologues. At some point, and some times, one has to make a decision based on personal judgement of what’s being reported.
On a final note, I would like to say thank you in particular to @The Whispering Monk and @Zachowon for being willing to wait and hear me out. Especially Zachowon, despite our various disagreements.
DarthOne
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Besides what I’ve already said in my previous post? Well, destroying the FBI and similar agencies would be a nice start. As would fixing up our educational system and our voting system. As well as the political situation.
Absolutely no worries. RL comes 1st.
You're right. I agree that Liberty Safe screwed the pooch on this one.
I don't buy this one simply b/c that makes their safes worthless. Now everyone has the master code if they want it b/c the FBI is a leaking sieve with lots of people out for themselves. The company is dead if that's actually the case.
Yeah...I get that. I'll only say that Correlation does not mean causation, but I'm also not holding my breath.
I was more looking for what you think are the appropriate actions Liberty Safe could take to restore trust and compensate the agrieved party.
A little something from Secure CEO about the Liberty safe thing.
posh-goofiness
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Well. So much for that. Onto the do no business list, then. Guess I'll look into Securam instead.
Edit: Wow. They make, like, a lot of biometric locks. Sure, you don't need to set that up but I don't like that one bit.
Edit: Wow. They make, like, a lot of biometric locks. Sure, you don't need to set that up but I don't like that one bit.
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ShieldWife
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So the Department of “Justice” tried to get Enrique Tarrio to lie about Trump. He wouldn’t lie so they used a kangaroo court to put him away for 20 years.
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DarthOne
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They really like to play with fire, don’t they?