Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum

Agent23

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No, no laugh track. There is nothing funny about this. This is what they really want.
Well, this guy is clearly mentally retarded due to living in a "soft science" academic bubble.
He probably doesn't know anything about tech or capitalism.
You know, the actual driving forces of change in the world.
TBH most of these so called "public intellectuals" are just loud lemmings too afraid to disrupt the heard and too heavily indebted to their masters to say anything meaningful.
 
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Captain X

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Yuval Noah Harari: "With this kind of surveillance, (you can detect dissent). I mean, you watch the big President, the big leader, give a speech on television — the television could be monitoring you and knowing whether you're angry or not just by analyzing the cues, the biological cues coming from your body."

The kind of people who read 1984 and think "That's a great idea!" :cautious:
 

Iconoclast

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Yuval Noah Harari: "With this kind of surveillance, (you can detect dissent). I mean, you watch the big President, the big leader, give a speech on television — the television could be monitoring you and knowing whether you're angry or not just by analyzing the cues, the biological cues coming from your body."


What he's saying is correct, though. Actually, the technology to do this has already existed for a decade or more.

This vid is from 2012:



This is a vid from the following year:



EDIT:

This vid is from 5 years back:



It is entirely possible to extract people's emotional states, heart rate, and other biometric data from a teeny tiny smartphone front-camera sized CCD sensor and lens that's facing them, and then pool it all together in a big data set to analyze audience reactions to a specific video they were watching while they were being monitored. In fact, you could have done this very easily several years ago.
 
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Iconoclast

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When I was a kid, I believed in the same shit Klaus Schwab was pushing. I thought Limits to Growth was correct, and that we were due for a resource collapse, and if we didn't embrace degrowth immediately, we'd hit a wall. Billions would starve as peak oil made farming equipment impossible to run profitably overnight, the rare earths necessary for all our electronics would dry up, farmland would turn to desert, aquifers would run dry, and fertilizer would run out. Civilization would revert to barbarism, and we'd all be living in a Mad Max-esque wasteland, nuclear exchange or not. Liberals and right-libertarians did not like this stance at all. They thought it was anti-humanist, illiberal, and cynical in the extreme, which is technically correct.

That's why, when I saw what the WEF kept going on about, I knew immediately what it meant, because I'd already spent years debating this shit with center-liberals (very unproductively, I might add). Ten years ago, I was on the WEF's side, playing Devil's Advocate and arguing that we need to take a wrecking ball to large sectors of our economy and implement various technocratic "efficiency" changes so we don't deplete resources so quickly. This is also the same position advanced by the likes of Kate Raworth and Herman Daly. Basically, eliminating GDP growth and trying to achieve a zero-growth society while still maintaining some semblance of the prior living standards.

There are people who rather fervently believe in this stuff:







The problem with degrowth as a means of averting resource depletion is that it makes middle-class people into poor people, and starves poor people to death, but the rich keep chugging along, completely unaffected, insulated from what they've wrought. There's a reason why the richest and most powerful people on the planet push for degrowth; they want our share. Our meager per-capita share of energy and resources. They're pushing for this without people's knowledge, understanding, or consent, and then gaslighting us when we point out how diabolical this is. That's why I no longer support degrowth. It is the position of hypocrites and monsters.

However, I'm sure glad I supported degrowth at one time. The effort I put into researching it back in the day gave me a head start in understanding the exact Neo-Malthusian techno-socialist mindset of the tyrants trying to enslave all of us, which is how I'm able to tear them a new asshole so effectively.



If you're on the cornucopian optimist side and think that additional humans mean more human capital and more minds solving problems, you should be very concerned about the advent of AI automation.



Robots and AI don't need healthcare, they don't need maternity leave, they don't get sick and call out, they don't file lawsuits against their handsy boss, they don't need bathroom breaks or lunch breaks, they don't need entertainment, they don't need housing, they're not politically active and won't vote against the interests of the wealthy, or, failing that, stage protests or strikes. They are automatic wealth generators. If we automate large sectors of the economy, with bipedal robots performing factory work and skilled trades and stocking shelves, and next-gen versions of GPT doing coding, coming up with prose and "journalism", and managing our workforce, do people really think that they're going to get an equal share in the way of an UBI to make up for lost income?

No. That's not going to happen. We will never live in a Star Trek-like post-scarcity society. Instead, the rich will simply kill you and pocket your share of the GDP and sip Mai Tais on the beaches of their private islands while enjoying impossible levels of wealth and prosperity, just as I said they would, ten fucking years ago.

In an oligarchy, having control over automatic wealth generators basically obliges you to kill everyone else. After all, humans are unpredictable, and those workers whose wages you pay today may be holding signs in the street and calling for your head tomorrow. If you're a rich motherfucker, the working class are your enemies. Workers want things that run contrary to what you want, like good wages, a house with a garage, and a stable nuclear family capable of building dynastic wealth. If you allow them to have these things, they will be able to politically organize themselves and act against your interests. You, on the other hand, want to pay them peanuts, force them to live in a pod and eat bugs, and make them pay rent to you for the privilege of living. Why? Because then, they're politically disenfranchised and dependent on you for everything, like serfs. This is the way the Free World ends; not with a bang, but with a whimper, as rich cunts and their asset management firms buy it, gentrify it, and price the rest of us out of it.

Whig history was wrong. Francis Fukuyama was wrong and retarded. We are not at the "End of History". There is no such thing. Things don't actually get better; they merely run in cycles. There is nothing at all to prevent us from backsliding into Feudalism.
 

Bigking321

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Heh. Feudalism.

I wish all they wanted was Feudalism.

Nah. They want cradle to grave absolute control and surveillance of everything you do and have access to. To control the inputs and outputs of your life. To make any resistance to their control utterly negligible.

They want the taskmasters and watchers to be eternally vigilant. To never grow bored with constant monitoring. To never have sympathy for those they crush. They want programs that are invariably loyal and willing to do anything.

AI will be the end of us. Not through some robot uprising. But by absolute total directed tyranny brought on by the very worst of us.
 

AnimalNoodles

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Heh. Feudalism.

I wish all they wanted was Feudalism.

Nah. They want cradle to grave absolute control and surveillance of everything you do and have access to. To control the inputs and outputs of your life. To make any resistance to their control utterly negligible.

They want the taskmasters and watchers to be eternally vigilant. To never grow bored with constant monitoring. To never have sympathy for those they crush. They want programs that are invariably loyal and willing to do anything.

AI will be the end of us. Not through some robot uprising. But by absolute total directed tyranny brought on by the very worst of us.

They want some asshole with a yale degree in every room of your house asking for your digital papers and making sure you behave.
 

Agent23

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What he's saying is correct, though. Actually, the technology to do this has already existed for a decade or more.

This vid is from 2012:



This is a vid from the following year:



EDIT:

This vid is from 5 years back:



It is entirely possible to extract people's emotional states, heart rate, and other biometric data from a teeny tiny smartphone front-camera sized CCD sensor and lens that's facing them, and then pool it all together in a big data set to analyze audience reactions to a specific video they were watching while they were being monitored. In fact, you could have done this very easily several years ago.

So basically the guy did a book report on Neal Stephenson's Interface, got it.
Nevermind the fact that people just won't throw money for the new gadget, disregard the data gathering consent forms, root the device, or that the provider of the body telemetry gadget might use a third party app that doesn't work with the Google/Facebook data gathering on purpose, since data costs money, or that the tech might be buggy, overly expensive, and otherwise flawed where mass rollout is concerned.
Oh, and let us not forget that all of this crap will have to be stored and processed somewhere.
Yeah, no, this is more ivory tower kool aid in my opinion.
Not that I won't do everything in my power to mitigate big brother, mind you.
 

Iconoclast

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So basically the guy did a book report on Neal Stephenson's Interface, got it.
Nevermind the fact that people just won't throw money for the new gadget, disregard the data gathering consent forms, root the device, or that the provider of the body telemetry gadget might use a third party app that doesn't work with the Google/Facebook data gathering on purpose, since data costs money, or that the tech might be buggy, overly expensive, and otherwise flawed where mass rollout is concerned.
Oh, and let us not forget that all of this crap will have to be stored and processed somewhere.
Yeah, no, this is more ivory tower kool aid in my opinion.
Not that I won't do everything in my power to mitigate big brother, mind you.

Of course it's Kool-Aid, but try telling that to these coked-up control freaks. They believe this shit is going to give them an all-access pass to your living room, where they'll catch you, in the seeming privacy of your own home, discussing your pile of ammo, your ghost guns, your liquor stash, and your bomb-making supplies, and you know what? That makes these people hard. They're so paranoid, they cannot live with the idea of people out there possibly having weapons and hating them, so they do things that make us hate them and want to acquire weapons. It would be hilarious if it weren't so fucking sad.

 

Agent23

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Of course it's Kool-Aid, but try telling that to these coked-up control freaks. They believe this shit is going to give them an all-access pass to your living room, where they'll catch you, in the seeming privacy of your own home, discussing your pile of ammo, your ghost guns, your liquor stash, and your bomb-making supplies, and you know what? That makes these people hard. They're so paranoid, they cannot live with the idea of people out there possibly having weapons and hating them, so they do things that make us hate them and want to acquire weapons. It would be hilarious if it weren't so fucking sad.


There is a simple way to deal with these swine, and that is to:
1) Cut unnecessary consumption to the bone, do not patronize the companies that finance their think tanks, buy liquid, hard assets,and have a big enough cushion to be able to stay afloat for 6 months to an year.Above all, stay away from useless iGarbage and services.

I call it soft Going Galt.

If you want you can use addons that generate random clicks so as to fuck with their algos, too.
And AdBlocker and archive.is
 

Iconoclast

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There is a simple way to deal with these swine, and that is to:
1) Cut unnecessary consumption to the bone, do not patronize the companies that finance their think tanks, buy liquid, hard assets,and have a big enough cushion to be able to stay afloat for 6 months to an year.Above all, stay away from useless iGarbage and services.

I call it soft Going Galt.

If you want you can use addons that generate random clicks so as to fuck with their algos, too.
And AdBlocker and archive.is

This was one of the books Bin Laden had in his compound, which is why it's on the CIA's website:


Read the part starting on page 104 and running to page 107. This is a small snippet:

There shall be no cash or coinage in the hands of the non-elite. All transactions shall be
carried out by means of a debit card which shall bear the identification number of the
holder. Any person who in any way infringes the rules and regulations of the Committee
of 300 shall have the use of his or her card suspended for varying times according to the
nature and severity of the infringement.

Such persons will find, when they go to make purchases, that their card is blacklisted and
they will not be able to obtain services of any kind. Attempts to trade "old" coins, that is
to say silver coins of previous and now defunct nations, shall be treated as a capital
crime subject to the death penalty. All such coinage shall be required to be surrendered
within a given time along with guns, rifles, explosives and automobiles. Only the elite and
One World Government high-ranking functionaries will be allowed private transport,
weapons, coinage and automobiles.

If the offense is a serious one, the card will be seized at the checking point where it is presented. Thereafter that person shall not be able to obtain food, water, shelter and employment medical services, and shall be officially listed as an outlaw. Large bands of outlaws will thus be created and they will live in regions that best afford subsistence, subject to being hunted down and shot on sight. Persons assisting outlaws in any way whatsoever, shall likewise be shot. Outlaws who fail to surrender to the police or military after a declared period of time, shall have a former family member selected at random to serve prison terms in their stead.

Also, on page 15:

Control of each and every person through means of mind control and what Brzezinski call "technotronics" which would create human-like robots and a system of terror beside which Felix Dzerzinski's Red Terror will look like children at play.

When people scoff at the mind control aspect of all this, they're not really seeing how complete, how absolute this tyranny aims to be.
 
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Agent23

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This was one of the books Bin Laden had in his compound, which is why it's on the CIA's website:


Read the part starting on page 104 and running to page 107.



Also, on page 15:



When people scoff at the mind control aspect of all this, they're not really seeing how complete, how absolute this tyranny aims to be.
All the more reason to invest in crypto technology/DeFi once the current bubble bursts.

Decentralization is a good thing in the long run, but Bitcoin and all the other current stuff aside for maybe some privacy coins will go the way of Altavista and Netscape(The company, not the browser, the browser was good!)
 

Iconoclast

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All the more reason to invest in crypto technology/DeFi once the current bubble bursts.

Decentralization is a good thing in the long run, but Bitcoin and all the other current stuff aside for maybe some privacy coins will go the way of Altavista and Netscape(The company, not the browser, the browser was good!)

They'll try and outlaw it. There's no way this hypothetical system of tyranny can survive if control of the currency is in the hands of the people.

 

Agent23

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They'll try and outlaw it. There's no way this hypothetical system of tyranny can survive if control of the currency is in the hands of the people.


Except that they can not, individual countries will never fully relinquish control over the currency or gold reserves and one of the reasons why the BRICS countries created their organization is because the G7 is screwing them over with money printing, and distrust in western financial systems and instruments is only bound to grow and grow.
I hope to be able to go to whichever old people's home holds the dementia-ridden Klaus in a decade or so and show him my blockchain-transacted silver coins and equities.

Take a look at Nomi Prins's books, btw, especially Collusion.
 

Cherico

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Except that they can not, individual countries will never fully relinquish control over the currency or gold reserves and one of the reasons why the BRICS countries created their organization is because the G7 is screwing them over with money printing, and distrust in western financial systems and instruments is only bound to grow and grow.
I hope to be able to go to whichever old people's home holds the dementia-ridden Klaus in a decade or so and show him my blockchain-transacted silver coins and equities.

Take a look at Nomi Prins's books, btw, especially Collusion.

Which is why these guys want an empire so badly but they don't understand that to have an empire your have to compensate the people who make it possible, and when they get far enough they will discover that after all of their gloating about screwing every one else to get that empire well there can only be one emperor.

From there the civilizational civil wars start, and when it all ends. Either we get a pretty ok guy who gets murdered by backstabers which starts another civil war, or we get horrific tyranny and when it ends with the death of the tyrant the regeime looses any and all legitimacy.

Either way I see only one outcome western civilization goes hard traditionalist for centuries, because all of the social experimentation has turned out to be so horrific that the population is scarred by it. What social experiements worked will be kept and the rest will be purposefully burned away because of the horrors inflicted on the general population.

Thasf is right about their plans, the problem for them is that their a bunch of functional psychopaths and everything will break down when they realize only one of them gets to have all the power.
 

Iconoclast

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Which is why these guys want an empire so badly but they don't understand that to have an empire your have to compensate the people who make it possible, and when they get far enough they will discover that after all of their gloating about screwing every one else to get that empire well there can only be one emperor.

From there the civilizational civil wars start, and when it all ends. Either we get a pretty ok guy who gets murdered by backstabers which starts another civil war, or we get horrific tyranny and when it ends with the death of the tyrant the regeime looses any and all legitimacy.

Either way I see only one outcome western civilization goes hard traditionalist for centuries, because all of the social experimentation has turned out to be so horrific that the population is scarred by it. What social experiements worked will be kept and the rest will be purposefully burned away because of the horrors inflicted on the general population.

Thasf is right about their plans, the problem for them is that their a bunch of functional psychopaths and everything will break down when they realize only one of them gets to have all the power.

Well, that's where the mind control comes in. They think they can use that to skip over the "paying accomplices and sycophants" and "providing sufficient bread and circuses" parts of empire-building.

Basically, imagine them as coked-up HOI4 speedrunners.
 

Cherico

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Well, that's where the mind control comes in. They think they can use that to skip over the "paying accomplices and sycophants" and "providing sufficient bread and circuses" parts of empire-building.

Basically, imagine them as coked-up HOI4 speedrunners.

and thats why I think their going to lose and lose hard, but that they will successfully kill millions of people, and when its all over technocracy will become another idelology that will be looked upon with horror.
 

ATP

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and thats why I think their going to lose and lose hard, but that they will successfully kill millions of people, and when its all over technocracy will become another idelology that will be looked upon with horror.
Commies in their countries killed 10-50% of population,so...if they win over Earth,we would loose up to half population.
But - they would not win over entire world.Leftist want power - sure,but China and India elites want it,too.They never agree to share.
 

Bigking321

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Technocracy is looked at with horror now.

Look at all the future dystopia movies that have come out. People know what could happen. The consequences are easy to spot.

But the elites look at those dystopias with envy. Only longing to have that power for themselves. They are already the villains of those movies.

They just haven't gotten to take over totally yet and they want that bad.
 

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