Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Marduk, please, stop riding Zelensky so hard, it's embarrassing.
In all fairness, he doesn't have a raging boner for Zelyo the rat-frog in particular, in a recent conversation with him he outright said he would back anyone who is anti-Russia, I think he will gladly let Zelenski be eaten by rabid rats if that got him to see Moscow turned into a radioactive crater.

My life heavily depends om what happens in the world.
You mean your paycheck heavily depends on the MIC and the neocucks finding somebody to ree about and call "Literally Hitler", and then bitch about anyone who doesn't support em being muh new Chamberlain and reeing about muh Munich...

Here is the thing, though, Chamberlain was buying time and trying to play the balance of power within Europe, as was the whole British establishment at the time.

They were hoping to use post-WWI Germany as a possible counterbalance to France and later as a battering ram against the USSR.

People can talk about US politics if they arnt American.
Especially if they tend to have a better understanding of Foreign policy then others.

He can sniff out commies better then we can though
He doesn't make a distinction between commies and Russians.
If he had to do the tram test with a commie tied to the rails and a station of Russians he'd choose to have the train kill the Russians I think.


Even if the tied down commie was Mao or Stalin.

So, which one of you masochists posted a Russia-related meme so as to force us to listen to a certain someone's endless spam on the question?
 
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There's a difference between having an opinion and just getting simple facts completely back asswards. Your "martial law exception to the constitution" still makes me laugh my ass off.
So do your serious amateur lawyering make me laugh off mine.
He doesn't make a distinction between commies and Russians.
He doesn't make a distinction between Russia (state which still keeps some international perks of Soviet Union) and Russians (people).
 
He doesn't make a distinction between Russia (state which still keeps some international perks of Soviet Union) and Russians (people).
Given that the USSR basically stole all of the land, population and assets of the previous Russian state, I think quid pro quo is fair game.

Also, I love how that is the only contested point and consider it a tacit admission on your part. :ROFLMAO:

Anyways, cool your jets and listen to some German Power Rangers singing about muh Muskov:



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:ROFLMAO:

We both know me and you will not see eye to eye on anything, and by now you should have learned that you can not bully, intimidate, brow beat or crowd struggle session me into agreeing you and if anything it has the opposite effect.

So let us save some storage space and stop with the personal sniping now.

Also, you were the guy that broke our truce last time. 😎
 
Given that the USSR basically stole all of the land, population and assets of the previous Russian state, I think quid pro quo is fair game.
Robbers robbing robbers out of fruits of robbery while reorganizing with old and new robbers, you are just making my point here, the robber classifications in Russia are very blurry and intermixed.
Also, I love how that is the only contested point and consider it a tacit admission on your part. :ROFLMAO:
I love how you use the edit function to troll through a "only contested point tacit admission" comment, if you want i can take it as a tacit admission of abusing the site's systems for the purpose of trolling.
We both know me and you will not see eye to eye on anything, and by now you should have learned that you can not bully, intimidate, brow beat or crowd struggle session me into agreeing you and if anything it has the opposite effect.
I do not hold any hope of getting you to agree with me, that would be naive.
So let us save some storage space and stop with the personal sniping now.

Also, you were the guy that broke our truce last time. 😎
Stick your truce you know where, i'll notify you when i need one, but i don't.
 
Robbers robbing robbers out of fruits of robbery while reorganizing with old and new robbers, you are just making my point here, the robber classifications in Russia are very blurry and intermixed.
If you are trying to invent a tongue twister you are failing.

I love how you use the edit function to troll through a "only contested point tacit admission" comment, if you want i can take it as a tacit admission of abusing the site's systems for the purpose of trolling.
I mean, you edited your post responding to abhorsen to respond to me, too, so...

Also, maybe you didn't notice, but one of your colleagues decided to bitch at me because I was doing multiple consecutive posts.
I do not hold any hope of getting you to agree with me, that would be naive.
Then you can, maybe, stop spamming me with your responses?
Stick your truce you know where, i'll notify you when i need one, but i don't.
And here I thought we had achieved some progress in the microchip production differentshoring thread.

Oh, well, it is less a truce than me, and most other people getting sick of your incessant spamming.

Would you fucktards stop shitting up the thread with Ukraine related discussion. Fuck off back to the containment threads.
Tell that to the people with more pages of Ukraine-related spam than me. ;)
 
No, i'm pretty sure you are not old enough to remember that.
People like you is why our diplomacy can get so little done. Every fucking time we try something with one of our neighbors, people like you will pop up with some old grievance as a reason why we shouldn't. If people like you had their way, we could not be allied with EU (coz Germany in WW2), not with USA (Yalta), not with UK or France (Phoney war), no one. We have to stand alone, not even try. No scheming against our enemies with anyone, unfortunately not foiled by hypercompetent Russian spies, but by our own idiots mostly.

Funny enough, there are also people like you on the Ukrainian side, saying the same lines, except replace UPA and Wolyn with AK and Vistula.
Meanwhile some vatnik in SVR or FSB uniform behind seven proxies is making sure that the constant yelling between those two groups keeps happening and keep us from allying against them.
The French had just 10 years between being occupied by Germans and being in NATO together with them. Think about how they took that.
If some day we are a superpower with a border with China in Ural mountains, then we will be in a position to be picky over who we cooperate with over even smallest historical grievances, but until then, we have to be more flexible if we don't want such events happening to us again.

I'll start caring about what rights Jews give Arabs when Arabs start caring about our rights in Europe. I think we will have to wait a lot for that.

No it LITERALLY isn't, and that only makes the people in favor of it more retarded.
Germans are just making IV Reich and made their agent polish premier.And, nobody else,but only UPA tortured children to death.
Not even gestapo or nkwd did such things.
I would condemn them even if they do not torture polish children,but somebody else.
Ukrainians are making monuments for those monsters.

It is not small grievance,it is worst atrocity committed ever.Becouse nobody ,even commies,did such things.Sure,they could starve children to death,but torture to death - no.

And,following your lack of logic,if we could forget UPA crimes and ally with Ukraine,then we could forget soviet crimes and ally with putin,too.
 
So do your serious amateur lawyering make me laugh off mine.
By amateur lawyering, you mean knowing who's on what side of a legal case. Basic facts that everyone who knows any american civics would know. But you weren't taught American civics so you just invent it inside your head. Then, to justify it, you grab a few links from the first page of google and don't read them.

"Here, did you know the Polish Special is the fifth branch of the Polish armed forces? They're really cool at what they do with submarine insertions." This is what you sound like to Americans when you spout off your bullshit. It's completely made up garbage with a few buzz words added in.
 
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By amateur lawyering, you mean knowing who's on what side of a legal case.
Which you color with your own rather non mainstream views on the law, and i'm not talking about the word gotcha you tried to pull on me to act smug on me as if i don't know a judge is not a party to a case in legal sense, just in colloquial sense that a judge is also involved and affects it, but i guess i have to larp lawyerspeak when replying to you from now on.
But why you thought it appropriate to bring up this bullshit in this thread, i don't understand.
Germans are just making IV Reich and made their agent polish premier.And, nobody else,but only UPA tortured children to death.
Not even gestapo or nkwd did such things.
I would condemn them even if they do not torture polish children,but somebody else.
Ukrainians are making monuments for those monsters.
Yes they did, don't push this special UPA worse than Nazis crap on me.
It is not small grievance,it is worst atrocity committed ever.Becouse nobody ,even commies,did such things.Sure,they could starve children to death,but torture to death - no.
Nah, just run of the mill atrocity, you need to read up on concentration camps and Red Army adventures more.
And,following your lack of logic,if we could forget UPA crimes and ally with Ukraine,then we could forget soviet crimes and ally with putin,too.
Well somehow we forgot far worse for the Germans. In Putin KGB colonel surrounded by other rebranded Soviet officers, so there is no excuse to forget anything.
I mean, you edited your post responding to abhorsen to respond to me, too, so...
Compare the timing of your edit...
Also, maybe you didn't notice, but one of your colleagues decided to bitch at me because I was doing multiple consecutive posts.

Then you can, maybe, stop spamming me with your responses?
Maybe if you weren't spamming the thread with fake shit about my views to try make me look unreasonable i would not be replying to you. But if you are including such shit i don't think you are stupid enough to not realize that you are begging for a response, so you got one.
Tell that to the people with more pages of Ukraine-related spam than me. ;)
Look for who's talking about Ukraine-related spam.
 
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What is it with supposed right wingers singing a tune indistinguishable from a red flag waving socialist when it comes to US policy regarding the Ukraine-Russia conflict?
They call it horseshoe theory. The idea is that no matter what flag they march under, all the monsters of history effectively want the same thing: a boot stamping on a human face, forever.

Putin wants to terrorize Eastern Europe, and the temporarily embarrassed tyrants are all united in loving him for it. If Ukraine was really the Nazi dystopia they claimed it was, and Putin really was trying to end repression, I have no doubt they'd be calling for the US to take him out.

At the end of the day, they are pro-torture, pro-despotism, and pro-suffering. Ignore their stated reasons, and look at their actual positions. You'll see the truth of my statements for yourself.
 
What is it with supposed right wingers singing a tune indistinguishable from a red flag waving socialist when it comes to US policy regarding the Ukraine-Russia conflict?
Allow a leftist explain to you how based modern Ukraine is:
Oh, so this is the original post that started the Ukraine and Russia related reestorm.

K, I will answer.

You consider yourself a polish nationalist, correct, you don't give a shit about others interests and who you get into bed with as long as it furthers Polish interests and fucks eith your enemy the Russians?

By your own admisionyou do not give a shit who is running Ukraine as long as it makes it an enemy of Russia and a Polish proxy/latifundia.

Well, with you your hatered for Dem darned Russkies had higher priority to your love for Poland as @ATP said.

Now, when you look at all of those people, you can think of your own objectives as a Polish nationalist, and replace Polish with American, Hungarian, Bulgarian, etc.

The majority of rightwing people are not neocucks that run on some mix of MIC gifting, Messianic neoliberal gibberish and grudges they inherited from their hack taylor and ex-low level inbred hereditary thug grandparents that ran away from the Tzar or the Commies.

And most people do not see Ukraine getting fucked over by Russia as something that impacts their national interests.

Or, to use an old libertarian meme:

Sarg did an analysis on this one btw, and frankly, it boils down to a form of kin selection and in group preference.
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Oh, so this is the original post that started the Ukraine and Russia related reestorm.

K, I will answer.
No one asked for your opinion.
You consider yourself a polish nationalist, correct, you don't give a shit about others interests and who you get into bed with as long as it furthers Polish interests and fucks eith your enemy the Russians?

By your own admisionyou do not give a shit who is running Ukraine as long as it makes it an enemy of Russia and a Polish proxy/latifundia.
Yes, i for one indeed would prefer neighboring countries to be our proxies or allies, as opposed to proxies, allies, or even conquests of our historical and current geopolitical rivals.
Well, with you your hatered for Dem darned Russkies had higher priority to your love for Poland as @ATP said.
I don't care if ATP calls being geopolitically retarded "love for Poland", i have made clear my opinion of his intellect many times, if his love means losing in the geopolitical maneuvering because muh historical grudges then his love is worth as much as leftist self-hate.
Now, when you look at all of those people, you can think of your own objectives as a Polish nationalist, and replace Polish with American, Hungarian, Bulgarian, etc.

The majority of rightwing people are not neocucks that run on some mix of MIC gifting, Messianic neoliberal gibberish and grudges they inherited from their hack taylor and ex-low level inbred hereditary thug grandparents that ran away from the Tzar or the Commies.
Throwing shitfits about neocucks and MIC worthy of a leftist antifatard an argument does not make, especially if done in the name of vatnik self-aggrandizement about their shithole.
If you truly believe this shit, go to Russia and spread this shit there about their MIC and their messianic vatnikism and neocucks, but we both know you won't because we both know what they do with such people.
Alternatively, if you're gonna to dismiss that as my Russia obsession try it with Iran or China and their equivalents, that would be equally fun.
So now that we have established that such views are a form of demoralization countries throw at their enemies to weaken them, we can leave this shit in the trash where it belongs.
Or even better, have it thrown at places i don't like, as that's what this meme is made for, throwing it at the more naive parts of populations of countries one does not like to raise discontent there, in particular against bold and assertive foreign policy.
And most people do not see Ukraine getting fucked over by Russia as something that impacts their national interests.
Those who do not see should get their eyes checked indeed. The successful continuation and deterring reputation of the biggest goonsquad in history aka NATO is very much in the interest of its members, no matter what various leftists, foreign shills and other assorted cucks whine about it.
Or, to use an old libertarian meme:

Sarg did an analysis on this one btw, and frankly, it boils down to a form of kin selection and in group preference.
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This shit is why lolbertarians mysteriously never end up in power anywhere despite having decent ideas on economics. Too much introspection as demonstrated in bothsame.jpg above combined with willful blindness to the fact that most countries are not willing to compete with them on libertarian free market terms and should be treated accordingly.
 
Or, to use an old libertarian meme:

Sarg did an analysis on this one btw, and frankly, it boils down to a form of kin selection and in group preference.
And that’s a bad thing, why? Of course it can be when taken to excess. But as we’ve seen in the West, so can anything, even forgiveness and tolerance.
 
I got the impression you seemed to. Apparently I wasn’t reading closely enough.
Given that I was something of a libertarian when I was younger I still feel sad a out it, but there is no denying reality.

True individualism is something very rare and most individualists are just diludional hypsters drinking Kool aid.

Humans are social animals.
 
No one asked for your opinion.
Well given that this place is all about freedom of speech, well, outside of insulting some soyfucks and muh racism, YOU GET OR ANYWAY.
Of you have a problem with it toi know where the ignore button is.
Also, I do know an Armenia priest you can go and complain to. :ROFLMAO:
Yes, i for one indeed would prefer neighboring countries to be our proxies or allies, as opposed to proxies, allies, or even conquests of our historical and current geopolitical rivals.
Some of the people there probably see you then same way, as a rightful part of Germany, or Austria, or Hungary, and yes, or Russia.

So?
I don't care if ATP calls being geopolitically retarded "love for Poland", i have made clear my opinion of his intellect many times, if his love means losing in the geopolitical maneuvering because muh historical grudges then his love is worth as much as leftist self-hate.
"But muh geopolitics", yeah, sure, anything to get a leg up on muh Muskovites....
Throwing shitfits about neocucks and MIC worthy of a leftist antifatard an argument does not make, especially if done in the name of vatnik self-aggrandizement about their shithole.
>Ree, everything that disagrees with me I'd a leftist. And anyone who supports me, be it nutjob German leftoids and greens or the US Democratic party, is good.
Come on, you can do better than that.
If you truly believe this shit, go to Russia and spread this shit there about their MIC and their messianic vatnikism and neocucks, but we both know you won't because we both know what they do with such people.
Alternatively, if you're gonna to dismiss that as my Russia obsession try it with Iran or China and their equivalents, that would be equally fun.
False equivalences and goal post moving don't work on me, remember?
So now that we have established that such views are a form of demoralization countries throw at their enemies to weaken them, we can leave this shit in the trash where it belongs.
There are many ways to make Poland stronger and more secure without having a stupid possong match with muh Muskov.
Or even better, have it thrown at places i don't like, as that's what this meme is made for, throwing it at the more naive parts of populations of countries one does not like to raise discontent there, in particular against bold and assertive foreign policy.
> Every meme I don't like is a Russian psyop...
Those who do not see should get their eyes checked indeed. The successful continuation and deterring reputation of the biggest goonsquad in history aka NATO is very much in the interest of its members, no matter what various leftists, foreign shills and other assorted cucks whine about it.
Do you get paid by the word or something?
This shit is why lolbertarians mysteriously never end up in power anywhere despite having decent ideas on economics. Too much introspection as demonstrated in bothsame.jpg above combined with willful blindness to the fact that most countries are not willing to compete with them on libertarian free market terms and should be treated accordingly.
I mean, I did mention my reservations about the meme in the post where I added it.
But once again you are completely missing the point I made.

That your average x/y/z nationalist will hs r the same attitude toward you, and the same dismissive and hostile attitude you have when somebody is questioning him.

Learn to read.
 

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