History Learner
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Better question is why a new mother, and a single mother at that, was allowed to be a cop at all?
Mothers in Risky Jobs/Scales of Empathy
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She passed the test, and it pays decently well
History Learner
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Which still doesn't get to the heart of the matter; she should've never been there. We can complain about the perp all we want-and he deserves the death penalty for it-but that doesn't answer the wider question about the fact our society allowed this situation to happen in the first place.
Was she new to the force?
She might have had issues that caused her to be a single mother up to that point. Most likely coming off of leave recently
History Learner
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She shouldn't have been on the force at all is the point. The fact we are putting mothers at all, or even women in general, into such positions as police or military speaks ill of us as a society. All the political indoctrination in the world slams face first into the wrongness of this in the biological and moral sense.
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Women are more calming then men in mist situations so them being police are nit that afar gone.
The issue is. You can only get so much men, and when ou need more.
Women in the military has existed for a long time in various forms. Combat being few times I'm history till modern day
History Learner
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Ask this dead mother how much her "calming effect" helped her when push came to shove. Now we have an orphaned child because of this sort of rank stupidity. If your society cannot get enough men to perform in these functions, then it is time for some self searching to understand what the base rot is that is causing it.
Cops have always been a job people arnt cut out for or don't do.
There is no base rot.
The police has been understaffed since modern times in the US. Best way, allow anyone who can.
Would you rather have even more undermanned police?
Why dint you go join the police so a woman doesn't have to?
LordsFire
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And what of the children who become fatherless when a male cop dies?
I have no truck with the modern feminist idea that women and men are the same thing, but your argumentation here is lousy.
History Learner
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Ask the child of this dead mother how well that's working out for them and how "cut out" for the job their mother was, given the end results. As for the "why don't you go do it" argument, how come you aren't, sir? If you are seriously so worried about police understaffing, you should lead by example.
Better to be fatherless with an alive mother than orphaned as in this case. The argument is only lousy if you're an extreme MRA with a fundamental disconnect from human history and what it means to be a man in that context.
LordsFire
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No, it's lousy because losing either parent is terrible, and there's much better arguments that you can make.
History Learner
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Never said it wasn't? If you take the former as self evident, then the claim it's a lousy argument is cognitively dissonant on your part. As it were, however, I have no doubt that 99.99% of Fathers if asked would rather die than have their children lose their mothers; that's just how us men function and whether you believe in God or Evolution, it's the natural order of things for us Humans.
bintananth
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If you were to tell any of my sisters that they're not allowed to a job because of a reason like "it's too dangerous for women" or "women need to stay back where it's safe" you would be in for a world of hurt.
The last time a guy said something like that to my twin sis when I was around she said "I'm bigger than you and you need to go be a little bitch somewhere else."
History Learner
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Cool story, but I don't care. The empirical evidence is too obvious, too overwhelming, and no amount of political brainwashing is ever going to change the nature of reality.
Abhishekm
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To be fair it only matters if you care about these people. So why spend the effort when they and theirs don't? Not agreeing mind you, people who can do the job can do the job as far as I care. But I don't get why people get so worked up about others throwing their lives away (even if that happens to be what they are doing).
History Learner
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You have to be a pretty cold hearted person to be unaffected by a young woman having her life snuffed out and a newborn baby now effectively being left an orphan with all that implies for them in the long run. Beyond that, though, you also need to contextualize this into its ramifications for the wider society; once you start accepting empirical truths, nevermind factoring in morality and empathy, you start to realize how bad things truly are.
Abhishekm
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Depends, do I know this person? Are they on some way related or relevant to me or mine? Does what happened to them have any impact on those I care about? Does it set some precedent that could affect me or someone I care about?
If all of those are a no and even "Would my opinion or presence even matter to them on any level?" is a no whats the point?
Like really at a certain point you just have to stop caring about people unrelated to you. Because at a certain point if you think they would care about you or yours thats just being naive.
History Learner
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Or it's actually having basic levels of empathy and understanding that a degree of that is necessary to keep civilization and society functioning? If your response is "fuck you got mine" to a literal orphan, I would highly encourage you to do some soul searching.
The truth is human's only usually truly care about around 100 people in the world to the point of having real empathy for them.
It's why company's in the military have around 100 people in them, because military trainers long ago realized human empathy has effective limits.
Taking empathy and focusing it to the people that can actually directly affect your immediate wellbeing is far more effective at keeping you and them alive. I know it rubs against the supposed universal empathy many in the US and West seem to think we should feel for every human on this ball of rock, but it makes it no less true.