Crossover Move, Countermove (Stargate SG-1/Alien(s) AU)

Spartan303

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Fantastic update. I love how careful and pragmatic Thor is in this situation. I also love the time dilation library/R&D center to help the Asgard to continue to advance their technology and perform comprehensive threat assessments. That is the kind of absolute Mad genius I would love to see from a race as advanced as they are. Fantastic update Bullethead. Please, let's not wait 3 to 4 months for the next one.
 

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I hope they do destroy the hybrids. The hybrids are parasites, genetically hardwired murderous, sociopathic parasites. Who have no qualms at acting out their deranged stalker fantasies by murdering any woman who look at a man they want. They are humanoid Cuckoos programmed for aggressive genetic assimilation. A Scifi recreation of the favored Chinese approach to eliminating conquered ethnicities.
You have a point - but,they also have "Senpai,notice me" mindset which could made them useful toys.Why destroy toys,when they could work for you?
And,when you send them to ahother Galaxy,you could keep sending there human males which humanity do not need.

It is 1880,right? Lenin and other commie leaders were arleady born.
 

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You have a point - but,they also have "Senpai,notice me" mindset which could made them useful toys.Why destroy toys,when they could work for you?
And,when you send them to ahother Galaxy,you could keep sending there human males which humanity do not need.

It is 1880,right? Lenin and other commie leaders were arleady born.
It's now halfway through season one pre-change timeline. With the Asgaard and Nox teaching Earth as per the request of Future Thor's message to Current Thor and the Asgaard as a whole.
 

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You have a point - but,they also have "Senpai,notice me" mindset which could made them useful toys.Why destroy toys,when they could work for you?
And,when you send them to ahother Galaxy,you could keep sending there human males which humanity do not need.

It is 1880,right? Lenin and other commie leaders were arleady born.
Remember, the Currentpresent stuff with SG-1 exists in the same timeline as the Currentpast chapters, and SG Earth's overall history exists as it did before Moebius.

So the Asgard would smack down any attempt to fuck with Earth's history at that point, and any shipping off of unnecessary/unwanted people would be post-Goa'uld war/2010, which ever comes first.

Remember, the Asgard were trying to minimize the historical divergences on the galactic scale until SG-1 season 1, which they accomplished. What mattered is Earth setting up the fall of the Goa'uld by nuking Ra. The exact sequence of events afterwards is not as important as making sure most, if not all, of the dominos leading up to that were in place.
 

ATP

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Remember, the Currentpresent stuff with SG-1 exists in the same timeline as the Currentpast chapters, and SG Earth's overall history exists as it did before Moebius.

So the Asgard would smack down any attempt to fuck with Earth's history at that point, and any shipping off of unnecessary/unwanted people would be post-Goa'uld war/2010, which ever comes first.

Remember, the Asgard were trying to minimize the historical divergences on the galactic scale until SG-1 season 1, which they accomplished. What mattered is Earth setting up the fall of the Goa'uld by nuking Ra. The exact sequence of events afterwards is not as important as making sure most, if not all, of the dominos leading up to that were in place.
Thanks! which mean,that all woke idiots and otaku who want alien GF could be send to our friendly Xenos.
Maybe all Antifa and BLM goons,too?
do not forget about Hamas!
 

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Thanks! which mean,that all woke idiots and otaku who want alien GF could be send to our friendly Xenos.
Maybe all Antifa and BLM goons,too?
do not forget about Hamas!
Well, I mean, the Currentpresent is 1997. Most of those people weren't born or are kids.

And their lives would've turned out entirely different due to other events in this story.

And to be brutally honest, considering modern gender relations, the people who want alien GF are just folks who want a ride or die girl who won't backstab them and don't want to get mangled in the shark pit of the dating scene. They're no where near as bad as any of the others on that list.
 

AmosTrask

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Thanks! which mean,that all woke idiots and otaku who want alien GF could be send to our friendly Xenos.
Maybe all Antifa and BLM goons,too?
do not forget about Hamas!
The middle eastern terrorists are wiped out by 2005 around season 5 when the allied powers start launching star ships. They use their advanced sensors to covertly lead SOF units and line troops in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
 

ATP

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Well, I mean, the Currentpresent is 1997. Most of those people weren't born or are kids.

And their lives would've turned out entirely different due to other events in this story.

And to be brutally honest, considering modern gender relations, the people who want alien GF are just folks who want a ride or die girl who won't backstab them and don't want to get mangled in the shark pit of the dating scene. They're no where near as bad as any of the others on that list.
Thanks! you are right about otaku,but muslims would be muslims,so there would always be dudes who want 72 virgins.Why not send them to our Xeno friends?
 
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Currentpresent 7

Stargate Command,
Cheyenne Mountain
September 1997


It hadn’t even been five minutes since George Hammond sat down behind his desk for his first interruption of the day.

Diplomatic Corps golden boy Joseph Faxon walked in with a decent amount of humility, but he was annoyingly upbeat for the hour. Compared to other diplomatic personnel he’d encountered at other postings, Faxon was actually inoffensive, but Hammond had enough to deal with on his plate. For example, two alien dignitaries on his base.

“Good morning General,” Faxon said as he closed the door. “I was wondering if you have an itinerary planned out for today. I’m hoping to take advantage of the Tollan lending us one of their intelligence officers to wrap up the preliminaries and get us a formal diplomatic visit to their homeworld.”

Taking a sip from his coffee, Hammond considered the diplomat and his words. Faxon had at least listened and supported his idea to offer the Tollan the opportunity to send an envoy to participate in the interrogation of the rogue Tok’ra now in their possession. It was the general’s hope that the olive branch would not only show that the people of Earth were proactively seeking an alliance, but it’d get out ahead of the issues with the NID that pastfuture Teal’c had warned him about.

“Mr. Faxon, I would love to give you that kind of information, but to be frank, I have no idea how long it’ll take to debrief this ‘Sina’ character. I’m neck deep in questions from the president, the Pentagon, and the CIA, and that’s before we even get into anything the Tollan might want to know.” The bald general shook his head. “I can’t make any guarantees, besides that I’ll let you know when we’re done for the day. If the envoy wants to work with you then, that’s her choice.”

To his credit, the diplomat just nodded. “Fair point,” he conceded. “I imagine there’ll be plenty of time to work things out afterwards. Anyway, thank you for your time, general.”

Before Faxon could step out, Hammond added, “By the way, I would appreciate it if you’d let me know ahead of time if you’re thinking of having SG-1 escort you to the Tollan homeworld. It’d save me some time reworking the mission schedules now that we’ve got enough information to make sensible decisions.”

Faxon chuckled at that. “Don’t worry general, you’ll be the first to get that memo.”

An hour later, after receiving word that all of SG-1 had arrived, he ordered them to the briefing room, where he introduced them to the Tollan envoy, who’d arrived on Earth before SG-1 and SG-3 returned with Sina. That had been an intentional move to keep the rogue Tok’ra in the dark and hopefully off balance, in the hopes of getting even more information out of her.

Dr. Janet Fraiser was also present, since her medical knowledge might be useful when it came to xenomorph-hybrid related matters. Once everyone was seated, Hammond ordered Sina brought to the briefing room. He locked his eyes to the door and waited to see her reaction.

When Sina, who wore a generic jumpsuit provided by the SGC, stepped into the room, he could see the recognition and nostalgia on her face. Then Sina saw the Tollan officer, a lightly tanned woman with reddish-brown hair, a black uniform jacket, and gray pants. Sina’s face was a tapestry of mixed emotions, starting with shock and surprise, moving to confusion, and finally settling on resignation and acceptance.

“You should be familiar with most of us,” Hammond said as he gestured towards an empty seat. “Capitaneus Septima is here to represent the Tollan government.”

“I see,” the Tok’ra said slowly as she sat down, ignoring the guards that escorted her taking position by the door. “Where would you like to begin?”

“How about we start at the beginning? Namely, why did you decide that traveling back in time with half-xenomorph hybrids was in any way a good idea?” The general had tried to keep his tone friendly and reasonable, but he couldn’t stop the sarcasm from leaking out.

Sighing, Sina seemed like she’d been expecting this question for a long time. Perhaps even the entire time since her trip through time. “It all comes back to one thing, the one thing the xeno-brids will not stop talking about: biology. Only Goa’uld queens can spawn children, and ours was the only one that rejected the philosophy of dominance in favor of symbiosis. Without her, we could never grow as a population.”

The Tollan officer spoke for the first time, her voice sharp like steel. “Did you attempt any other solutions?”

“Of course we did,” Sina replied, rolling her eyes. “With the cooperation of the Tau’ri. The most promising results we had were from retroviral gene modification of nonsapient Goa’uld symbiotes.” She paused and added, “Goa’uld are born with genetic memory. The nonsapient ones lack this memory, and so we could successfully edit their genes to include Tok’ra memories. Unfortunately, we couldn’t use this process to create new Queens, and there was only a limited supply of nonsapient Goa’uld.”

“And what exactly happened to the test-subjects?” Dr. Fraiser asked, her harsh tone hinting at what she suspected.

“They did not survive, unfortunately.” Sina seemed sad and tired, but Hammond wasn’t sure if that was genuine or an act. But if it was true, he could begin to see what’d gotten them to this point. “That was why we devised our time travel plan. SG-1 discovered that Egeria hadn’t been killed, as we’d assumed, but imprisoned on Pangar. But the Pangarans had discovered her first and experimented on her in ignorance, so she died before she could spawn a new generation of Tok’ra. The only way to save her was to prevent that chain of events.”

“And the xenomorph-hybrids? How did they fit into this?” Hammond asked.

“They were merely the only people at the only time,” was the Tok’ra’s weary reply. “There were only a half dozen of us, and that was before we lost two of our cell extracting the hybrids from the planet we found them on. We needed manpower, and the fact that they had useful scientific knowledge and equipment was, at the time, a benefit.” Sina let out a dry, mirthless chuckle. “If I’d known the problems I was making for everyone, I likely would’ve arranged to beam them out into space and kept their equipment.”

Glancing around the table, he found that most people were in agreement with that sentiment.

“So, what have you and the xenomorph-hybrids been up to on Pangar?”

“This would be easier to explain with visual aids,” Sina commented, looking around the room. “I know you confiscated the memory crystals, along with the rest of my belongings. Do you have a holographic projector?”

Hammond called Walter up and gave him the order to retrieve the items, which were brought in a few minutes later by stern Air Force personnel. The general nodded at Sina, who proceeded to pull a crystal from a coarse cloth bag and connect it to the projector. The image of an island appeared, which looked vaguely like a badly drawn bulldog’s head on its side. Two mountain chains arced from the “ears” in the east to the west, where they merged with a dense mountain arc that made up the “mouth”. The mountains more or less divided the island into four regions, with the highest peaks being in the “mouth” arc.

There were also three lakes, one in the northern, central, and southern regions. The northern lake seemed to be the largest and isolated from the rest of the island by dense forests. The central lake was not that far off from one of major rivers arcing across the island, while the southern one was probably the most scenic and likely to be settled, given how it was nestled among the mountains and valleys. The climate seemed temperate, with vegetation covering most of the island, especially in the form of forests.

“This island was disputed territory amongst the three major factions on Pangar,” Sina explained. “They were persuaded to hand this island over to the Tok’ra and xeno-brids through the usual methods of political and economic persuasion.” She tapped a control and a shading overlay appeared. The west coast of the island, everything on the outer edge of the mountains, was blue, while the large plain on the mountain interior and facing the east coast was green. “The blue represents Tok’ra territory, the green xeno-brid territory.”

“Looks like you got the better end of the deal,” Colonel O’Neill noted. Hammond quietly agreed – if it weren’t for the dense arc of mountains facing outwards towards the west coast, he would’ve pegged the habitable part of the Tok’ra area to be two or three times the size of the xeno-brid area.

“It is my understanding that the island – Cauley Islet – is around the same size as your island nation of Sri Lanka.” Sina zoomed in the image, so that cities and towns were visible. “Most of the original settlements were evacuated in phases prior to the island transferring possession, with rural inhabitants in isolated settlements preferring to stay. Since the initial Tok’ra and xeno-brid populations were small, the human populations were in defacto control of the island for the first decade.”

“What happened after that?” Hammond prompted.

“The first decade was when all the xeno-brid children matured to adulthood.” The hologram switched to a montage of children at different age ranges. The boys looked outwardly normal, if somewhat tall and lean, while the girls all had various parts of their bodies covered in mesoskeleton and tails. “What I did not know when we first encountered the xeno-brids is that they mature in two-thirds the time it takes for a human child to mature. And they take two-thirds the time to gestate.”

Dr. Fraiser looked up sharply at that, and Hammond wasn’t alone in giving her a questioning look. “General, that means it takes six months for one hybrid baby to be born, and twelve years for them to hit adulthood.” As most of the humans rocked back in their seats, she turned to Sina and asked, “How long do they live, and how long are the females capable of reproducing?”

“Up to one hundred years of life, barring injury. The female reproductive system is not fully functional until they hit age 12, but it functions until age 78.”

Captain Carter and Capitaneus Septima both tossed grave expressions at Sina, having clearly run the numbers in their heads before the rest of the humans. “Each of the females can have 152 children in their lifespan?” the Tollan asked.

Even the stoic Teal’c looked concerned by that number, and Hammond found that he could not imagine having so many children. His mind just refused to contemplate that, but it could come up with pretty plausible reactions from the president, Secretary of Defense, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Those mountains would do a good job of blocking nuclear fallout.

Then Sina added, “That is just the normal ones. The queens deliver quadruplets every six months, but only after they undergo the transformation process, which they perform around age 30.”

Colonel O’Neill had been taking a sip of his coffee when she said that, and he visibly bent over in pain as he stopped himself from spitting it all over the table. He managed to get a raspy question out as he coughed. “They have eight kids a year?”

“Yes, they do.” Sina was staring off into the middle distance, and Hammond had to wonder what exactly had happened to her over all those years to cause her to behave that way. Then she seemed to snap out of it, and added, “Luckily, it is not for their entire lifespan.”

“How have they not overpopulated that island?” Captain Carter inquired, not bothering to keep the shock out of her voice. She probably had a much better appreciation for the numbers than the general did, and he was quite happy to keep it that way. The ones he heard were bad enough.

“A small initial population, and clever civil engineering.” Sina changed the image to something that Hammond initially mistook for a mountain. But as the image zoomed in, he realized that it was some kind of A frame structure with various shapes jutting out of the exterior. He couldn’t be certain what they were, because a majority of them were covered in weird, biomechanical features that made things bleed together, but he could see windows and even small gardens all over the structure. “I am told that this design was invented in 1967 by a human from Montreal, who was looking to solve urban sprawl by creating dense cities that would provide people the opportunity to own homes.”

“I’m not seeing it,” O’Neill commented, and Hammond had to agree. There was just too much xenomorph styling to ever see this as a human creation.

Sina tapped a few commands into the projector, and an image of the same style of structure appeared, but this one was clearly made out of concrete. It had terraces of square and rectangular modules that jutted out of the outside of the A frame, and now that he had a better idea of what he was looking at, he had to admit it was an extremely futuristic looking design. He wasn’t sure if he wanted to live there, but he wouldn’t necessarily say no either.

“I’ve seen something like this before,” Dr. Daniel Jackson interjected. “I went on a trip up to Montreal one summer and saw a neighborhood built in that style called Habitat 67.”

“That was indeed designed by the same designer,” Sina said with a nod. “It was a cost and scale reduced version of the original concept.”

“That’s all well and good,” Hammond interrupted, trying to get the interrogation back on track. “You’ve shown how they could house their population, but not how they didn’t overrun the island.”

“Because, for most of the past century, they have used their mandatory conscription scheme to push back when couples started breeding,” the Tok’ra explained. “Four years of mandatory service, all done while the females are under the effects of a long-term contraceptive. Also, up until the past decade, they have not created any test tube babies, as you would call them, after an initial batch to help bolster their population in the early 1900s.”

“General, I think we’re going to all keel over from all the population stuff,” O’Neill remarked after a brief pause, his tone remarkably grim. “Might I recommend we move on to something less terrifying?”

“That might be a good idea,” Hammond acknowledged, checking the list of questions he’d been given. “Alright, in broad terms, what have your Tok’ra cell and the xenomorph-hybrids been doing on Pangar since you arrived – in terms of military, intelligence, and industrial operations?”

“Ah, well, naturally, we’ve been cooperating on the development of infrastructure to help support the coming war effort.” Sina’s tone and attitude seemed a bit more upbeat when addressing this topic. “Mostly the factories for a variety of weapons and equipment for use by the Sodan and other rebel Jaffa. The xeno-brids are also stockpiling a large amount of the output for use in their inevitable extra-galactic colonization effort.” She gave them a sly smile. “As for intelligence operations… we have sporadic contact with the original Tok’ra, for reasons of operational security. They have a Goa’uld mole who cannot be dealt with until you make contact with them. However, we have been coordinating an operation that would of great interest to you.”

“How, exactly?”

Sina glanced over at O’Neill and Jackson, and that gave the general a clue as to what it could be. “We plan to disrupt Apophis’ upcoming attack on Earth by making him think his son Klorel has betrayed him. With the participation of the Tollan,” she nodded towards Septima, “we can expand this operation into a longer term operation to weaken the Goa’uld, while baiting a trap for Sokar. And when appropriate, we can simply remove Klorel from his host, because to the galaxy at large, he would be dead.”

Hammond held up a hand as O’Neill and Jackson started speaking over one another. “Setting aside any personal connections, what possible reasons would we have to participate in whatever scheme you’ve cooked up?”

The Tok’ra locked eyes with the general, and with a smug expression on her face, pulled out another data crystal. “I have a complete database of technologies and scientific data from a race called the Aschen. A race SG-1 destroyed in the original timeline for their attempt to deploy a bioweapon against Earth. I am offering it to you and the Tollan as a sign of friendship from Queen Egeria herself.”

Hammond didn’t even look at the crystal as she placed it on the table and pushed it towards him. “How about you tell us what your plan is, and we can work out the diplomatic implications afterwards?”



Mepotaten, Nemtemar
Milky Way Galaxy


Mepotaten, the capital of Heru’ur’s domain, was a bizarre mixture of white marble and sun bleached mud bricks. The center of city was a massive complex of marble buildings that jutted out of the foot of a massive mountain, where the Goa’uld underlings lived, worked, and entertained themselves. Surrounding that was where the Jaffa and humans lived, with the Jaffa having the higher quality homes.

Heru’ur’s palace and temple, to the outside observer, was a five story, T shaped construct that stretched out from the mountain towards the center of the city. But this was merely the surface level, where Heru’ur handled his leisure and worship. Deeper underground was an even more massive complex that handled the business of controlling his massive interstellar empire and military.

In the command center at the heart of the underground bunker, Heru’ur contemplated the vo’cume projecting an image of the edge of Goa’uld territory facing Sokar’s domain. His father and the various Goa’uld let in on the secret of Sokar’s return had already seeded their borders and the nearby systems with hundreds of satellites to detect the approach of Sokar’s vessels through hyperspace. So far, Sokar’s forces had crept cautiously towards that line in the year since Ra’s death, but Heru’ur was too smart to think that would hold.

No, Sokar was fortifying a beachhead for his real thrust, deep into the territory of the System Lords.

He heard one of his underlings approach from behind him and tensed. If it was an Ashrak, he was ready to counter an attempt on his life.

“My lord, I have new information regarding the Apophis’ strike on the Tau’ri,” Qa’arr, Heru’ur’s spy master, reported.

Turning, he was greeted by the usual sight of Qa’arr’s host, a distinguished specimen of fellahin stock from a world in Heru’ur’s domain. His well-groomed hair and beard made his simple robes and silver jewelry seem far more impressive than many more ostentatious underlings. “Speak.”

“Apophis will undertake the mission with nothing but two Ha’tak, but one of them will be under your cousin Klorel’s command.”

Apophis aims only to destroy the Tau’ri. Heru’ur’s thoughts about the Tau’ri were complicated. On the one hand, despite the fact that the Goa’uld did not have any real amount of filial love, he hated them for killing his father and weakening the System Lords as they prepared to face Sokar. On the other hand, the confusion over what had happened pushed Ptah to reveal Sokar’s return, so all the System Lords were preparing. And there was the fact that nuclear incineration was infinitely more merciful than whatever Sokar would do had he been responsible…

“And the significance of that is?”

Qa’arr smiled. “Apophis has provided Klorel with much material and personnel… including several sources of ours. And they report that Klorel’s support for his father is much more tenuous than we suspected.”

Heru’ur stroked his host’s beard. “Explain.”

“These sources have indicated that Klorel is planning on striking targets inside his father’s domain during or shortly after the attack on Earth. It is unclear if he is intending to kill your uncle and take his claim to your father’s throne, or simply take over Apophis’ domain.” Qa’arr frowned now, not a good sign in Heru’ur’s experience. “There are also unusual movements of some of his underlings, but I have not yet gathered enough information to discern any pattern or cause.”

“Interesting.” If it weren’t for the imminent threat of Sokar attacking a weakened border, Heru’ur would have been tempted to send a small fleet to contest an attempt to take over the First World. Any planet that could produce nuclear weapons had some level of industry, and that could be useful against Sokar. On the other hand, if Apophis hadn’t been focused on showing how powerful he was by raiding worlds in Heru’ur’s backyard, the Tau’ri could’ve been tricked into focusing their efforts on Sokar. It would take very little to disguise some humans as Jaffa, put Sokar’s emblems on them, and send them through the gate…

No, Apophis would never stand for such subterfuge, Heru’ur thought. He and I are warriors first. Baal, perhaps, would think of and execute such a scheme, but not us.

Perhaps Klorel was closer to Baal than Apophis in temperament, and that explained the rift growing between them. In which case, perhaps it was to Heru’ur’s benefit to let things play out. After all, Apophis believed that crushing the killers of Ra would solidify his claim to the title of Supreme System Lord…

“Continue gathering intelligence on Klorel’s actions. We may benefit from his actions in the future. But should he decide to contend for the throne…”

Qa’arr bowed and left, fully aware of the unstated order.

Heru’ur returned to his contemplation of the map. Perhaps something will come of this. Perhaps not. But I cannot afford to lose sight of the real threat.

Sokar’s forces outnumbered the total forces of the System Lords by an appreciable margin. Even with the secret preparations over the centuries, there were six of Sokar’s ships to every one of theirs. Obviously, a large number of those would be smaller craft like Al’kesh, but the numerical situation was such that attrition would inevitably favor Sokar. He had reserves to spare, and was psychotic enough to not necessarily care about losses for a long while.

Of course, the Tok’ra and Tau’ri were wildcards in the situation. Heru’ur knew the Tok’ra knew that Sokar was a threat, but the Tau’ri… Their bumbling might be as big a hindrance as an opportunity. If they could focus on Sokar and disrupt his operations, it would buy breathing room for the System Lords.

Of course, there was always the chance that Sokar was insane enough to challenge the Asgard by attacking one of the protected planets. As much as Heru’ur lusted after the industrial power house of Delmak, Sokar’s throne world, having it be reduced to a radioactive cinder was something he could tolerate, since it denied his rivals that same resource. But he doubted Sokar was that stupid.

No, he had to prepare for a long, bloody war. A war he had to win at any cost.



National Institute of Defense (NID) Headquarters,
Ballston, Arlington County, Virginia


Across the Potomac River from Washington D.C. was Arlington County, Virginia. And the “neighborhood” of Ballston was where dozens of scientific research institutes and R&D agencies resided, close to the heart of the American political scene. One of those agencies was the National Institute of Defense.

The NID’s birth had been back when the Advanced Research Projects Agency had been in charge of Project AGILE, the efforts to develop counterinsurgency programs during the Vietnam War. The head of ARPA at the time had little love for the head of AGILE, since ARPA was largely run by scientists, while AGILE’s head was deeply enmeshed in the intelligence world. Through some political machinations, a deal was struck – AGILE would continue as part of a new agency, and ARPA would be spared the need to be involved in coming up with actual tactical uses of science and technology.

That was the birth of the NID. On the surface, it was an agency all about wargaming various conflict scenarios, examining how strategy and technology could intermingle and effect each other. Below the surface, it was involved in counterinsurgency, counterintelligence, and a whole host of classified research, development, and implementation. It was a self-perpetuating bureaucracy that was only a few decades into its life, but in Washington D.C., where nothing was ever allowed to die, that was the norm.

Colonel Harry Maybourne was a United States Air Force officer who had learned early in life that being indispensable was more important than being good, and that being able to sell an idea mattered more than the quality of the idea. Back during the Cold War, he’d gotten in good with the intelligence community and high-ranking officers who valued morality and integrity far less than results. His reward was a position of authority at the NID, which allowed him access to untold secrets, including dirty ones that could kill careers.

In his office, which he personally swept for bugs no less than two times per day (when he first arrived and after his lunch break, at minimum), he found himself in a meeting with Colonel Frank Simmons, a like-minded officer who Maybourne had personally recruited into the NID.

“I don’t like how things are going with the Stargate program, Frank,” Maybourne bluntly announced. “Ever since they retrieved all that future material, we’ve been steadily marginalized.”

The NID had been especially interested in the Stargate program for a wide variety of reasons, not limited to but including the opportunity to project American power to other planets. Getting cut out of that was… not ideal.

“There’s not much we can do if it’s coming from the top,” Simmons pointed out, taking a sip of coffee. “Making a fuss might make things worse for us.”

“Good point,” Maybourne conceded. “But I’m hearing rumblings that NATO might be getting in on the action via a second gate. Which we weren’t told about.”

Simmons grunted, scowling in annoyance as he took another sip of coffee. Both men respected certain European agents and agencies, but the NID had done analyses of projected NATO and EU behavior. Unless the politicians pulled their heads out of their asses and stopped drinking the “end of history” koolaid, it was going to be a disaster at some point. Especially if the US stopped bankrolling NATO.

“I take it you’re looking to get some of our people in that way?” Simmons asked.

Nodding, Maybourne sipped his own coffee. “If they’re going out of their way to marginalize us at Cheyenne Mountain and Area 51, they can’t argue with our presence at a base on foreign soil. Someone needs to represent the US intelligence community and liaise with the Euros.”

Of course, having so many prying eyes on site would make any kind of covert activity hard to accomplish, but the boys and girls of the NID were good at figuring out how to make the sneaky practical.

“Anyway, we’re in a holding pattern until we get official word,” Maybourne continued, picking up a manilla folder. “Have you seen the memos about the Middle East and China?”

Simmons nodded and narrowed his eyes. “Reading between the lines, it seems like something in that future information spooked the people upstairs.”

“Well, we’ve been saying the CIA’s fuck-fuck games in the Middle East were bound to blow up in their faces sooner or later.” Maybourne gave Simmons a thin smile. “I’m giving you a team to work on counterinsurgency in the region. That’s the official story.”

“Unofficially?” Simmons smirked as he took another sip of coffee.

“If you can find some way to make those two problems cancel each other out, that’d probably be best for everyone.” Maybourne leaned back in his chair, unable to keep his smug expression in check. “Let’s face it, the politicians love it whenever we don’t have to get involved in keeping everyone’s heads on straight.”

Politicians were short-sighted fools, concerned with keeping their jobs and spouting enough platitudes to get money and votes to do so. And since the fall of the Berlin Wall, the easy way to do it was to sell the idea that everything was always going to get better. It either never occurred to these people, or was just a future problem they didn’t think they’d have to deal with, that to keep the good times going, the US would have to be the top dog forever.

It was people like him and Simmons, who recognized that power was the only thing that ensured that the people on top stayed on top and had long term vision, that solved the problems on a geopolitical scale. And in the process, kept their own positions secure, if not improved them, while also keeping the short-sighted politicos from running into pesky little problems like their country getting invaded. The politicians were willing to look the other way so long as you didn’t get caught, in which case… Oliver North was a good example of being hung out to dry.

So, as far as Harry Maybourne was concerned, no one had any legs to stand on when it came to complaining about the NID, especially his operations. He didn’t have any massive screw ups on his record, unlike those jokers at the CIA who had to assassinate Kennedy to keep him from shutting them down and botched the recovery of a Soviet submarine. That made them the perfect choice for defending Earth from the threats on the other side of the stargate.

He just had to make everyone else realize that.



Author's Notes: Here's an early Christmas gift for you all!

For people wondering what the island the Tok'ra and xenomorph hybrids got exiled to looks like, here's an image! I used Mapgen4 to make this, which is a free tool for making maps for roleplaying and what not. Very useful for visualizing things for a story.

To keep the xenomorph hybrids from being completely busted, because AFAIK xenomorph lifespan is literally "until they die" and the initial growth curve is insane, I capped them off at a 100 year lifespan and a less aggressive growth curve for individuals and populations. Enough to be scary for baseline homo sapiens sapiens, not bad enough to go "nuke the site from orbit" on sheer principle.

The biology of the Goa'uld isn't examined in that much detail in canon, so it's not clear how or why some become queens. I figure it has to be genetic to some degree, which makes it a nice stumbling block for the Tok'ra. I also figured the Tok'ra would keep a bunch of Egeria's non-sapient spawn for research purposes and try to see if they could genetically engineer a way out of their declining population count.

I read The Imagineers of War, which chronicles the history of DARPA, a couple of months ago, and gave me the inspiration for the NID's backstory. The internal conflict over Project AGILE was real - the head of ARPA really did hate the head of AGILE, but for a whole host of reasons, didn't have the leverage to kick AGILE out of ARPA. In the Stargate universe, things worked out differently, so they have one more deep state agency that's full of themselves and thinks they're the only smart, effective people in the nation. And yes, they're down the street from SG DARPA.
 

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Enough to be scary for baseline homo sapiens sapiens, not bad enough to go "nuke the site from orbit" on sheer principle.
I beg to differ. Even your modification to their abilities still make them a dangerous competitor species. Humans tend to wipe out dangerous competition
 

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That was an absolutely fantastic update. It's nice to see the effects of SG-1s big find begin to trickle down to the guys in the trenches. And yes Bullethead, I find the back story of the NID absolutely realistic. It has now become my new head canon.

What also interests me is how the Tok'ra got the sum total knowledge of the Aschen. That they would use it as a bargaining chip to acquire the aid of SG1 and Earth goes without saying. Trying to buy off Earth is almost par for the course for them. Though I am curious to see what Earth would do with it.

Bullethead, are we done with the backstop timeskips to the 1800s for the Tok'ra? Or will those continue to be a thing?
 

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I beg to differ. Even your modification to their abilities still make them a dangerous competitor species. Humans tend to wipe out dangerous competition
Not when they think,that they could control them,or,even better,that their race is superior or something like that.

I could bet,that many americans think that they could use new race for their plays.


And ,it would be less then 132 children per female.They could have children from 12 till 78,which made it 2*66=132.
Besides, all mammals need some time between one pregnancy and other,so it would be rather about 100 per female.
 

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Bullethead, are we done with the backstop timeskips to the 1800s for the Tok'ra? Or will those continue to be a thing?
They'll be a thing for a while longer, to set up a few things.

I could bet,that many americans think that they could use new race for their plays.
Yeah, well, Weyland-Yutani was just the NID/Trust taken to the logical conclusion.
 

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They'll be a thing for a while longer, to set up a few things.

In the spirit of that vein of thinking, and capitalize on what we discussed earlier. Id love to see Pangar grow to be a fairly potent power, at least on the ground. A mix of Aliens verse and Goa'uld technology would make them a formidable threat. Even if only most of it was theoretical with some things practical and in production it would greatly increase the value of Pangar to the Alliance and the Xeno-Birds. Because a Pangar that can protect itself even somewhat is a lot of pressure off Earth, the Xenomorphs, Tollan and potentially Gellar and Orban. It just makes sense.
 
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So far so good though I'll fully admit I side with the xenogirls/birds I don't care if that makes me a species traitor.

Hey nature is all about survival of the fittest.
 
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Glinson, Pangar
Milky Way Galaxy
July 1880


Adriene Iseul Soares unfolded the newspapers that had been delivered to her suite that morning, seeking specific information from their pages. Almost all the local news stories were meaningless to her unless they related to the negotiations – or whether people were having very specific dreams. The xenomorph DNA in her genome included a generalized psionic broadcasting gene, which standard, Old Breed xenomorphs used to cultivate hosts.

For the New Breed… it was largely the same, but with a genuinely happy ending, not the delusions of rebirth that the Old Breed encouraged.

There was only one such story, and wracking her large brain for the snippets of information she’d accumulated about the city revealed that it was neighborhood within a mile’s walk of the hotel she and her husband were living out of for the moment. After being present for several days, this was nothing too concerning, unlike the political cartoon with art that semi-accurately portrayed an Old Breed queen. It had a pair of eyes, was wearing a dress, and the incorrect number of back-spikes, but it had the right head shape. The fact that it was portrayed as looming over women at a ball and saying “Your children are so delectable” made her think it was based on some politician’s wife’s comments.

Things like this were why she’d insisted that the press be made aware of much of the proceedings from the negotiations. Not everything, of course – there was no need to get into all the messy details of political deal making. The results were what really mattered to the common people – what was given, what was received in exchange, and what was promised in the future.
Naturally, most of the papers were talking about the three Pangaran powers agreeing to give up their claims to Cauley Islet in exchange for equal access to technologies and knowledge from the Tok’ra and her own people. There’d apparently been a number of wars over the large island, and therefore dozens of conflicting opinions on the matter. Some were in favor of the deal because of what the Pangarans were receiving, others opposed to giving up land that their relatives had fought and died for, others reluctantly supporting the deal because it’d keep the creepy aliens away from their families, and so on.

It’s all so very tiresome.

Of course, she’d made sure to give them time to notify the people living there of the deal and get them off before they permanently moved. Not only was it a way to avoid a resentful population living right next door to her own people, but it gave her people plenty of time to shop around for supplies, make business deals, and whatever else was necessary to make their new colony a success.

Her thoughts were interrupted by a knock at the door. “It is Sina.”

The familiar tone of the Tok’ra agent’s voice was unmistakable, but Adriene was still cautious as she stood up and opened the door. There was nothing stopping any of the human factions from doing something foolish… especially when the Tok’ra were cutting their own backroom deals with them. So she kept the door between herself and whoever it was on the other side, in case she needed to bash them in the face with it.

When the female Tok’ra agent entered the suite, she seemed unbothered by that, instead giving the huge bed a second look. “Was that made specifically for you?”

The bed in question was quite plain, not in keeping with the dignified air of the rest of the furniture. It was also longer and wider than a king sized bed, jutting into view through the doorway separating the common and bed areas of the suite.

“Yes, and this stool too,” Adriene explained as she escorted Sina to the table, gesturing to her seat. It was a basically a log lathed down into a vaguely vase-like profile, topped with a thick velvet cushion that was already badly crushed. “I have to give them credit, considering how long it takes to make something with manually operated tools, they did a pretty good job, even if they are a bit overbuilt.”

“They clearly erred on the side of caution,” Sina replied, taking a normal seat opposite the xenomorph-hybrid. “Where is your husband?”

“He’s meeting with the delegates on one of those topics that it’d be better to not have a ‘monstrous abomination against the divine’ or ‘alien seductress’ in the room for,” Adriene said with a slight smile, tapping the newspapers. “I can’t claim to perfectly understand the written word, but I understand enough to get the gist of things.”

Sina nodded and said nothing.

If that’s the way you want to play it… “What brings you here today?”

“I would like to make a deal,” the Tok’ra agent replied, which told Adriene absolutely nothing. It also didn’t surprise her, since everyone was cutting deals with each other. “One that requires some of your soldiers.”

“That is quite the ask,” the xeno-brid queen responded. “Especially since you know exactly how few soldiers I have. I would like to have an idea of what we’re getting in exchange for helping you with whatever problem you’re having.”

Adriene sincerely doubted that it was a plan to take over some nation-state on Pangar. The Tok’ra had all of four people, plus their queen in stasis in a jar. That wasn’t enough to take power on a short to medium time scale, at least not in any real capacity.

“In exchange for providing soldiers and weaponry to an operation to obtain Goa’uld manufacturing equipment, we will set aside a quarter of the annual production capacity to meeting your needs.”

Many questions immediately sprung to mind, many of them making her suspicious of the generosity of such an offer. But she only asked, “How exactly are you going to get the intelligence to plan this operation?”

“I will petition the Asgard for it,” was all the Tok’ra was willing to say.

“Stop stonewalling.” Adriene didn’t even bother hiding her irritation anymore, raising her tail to a ready-to-strike posture. “I need to know what your actual plan is, if you even have one. I am not willing to sacrifice my people’s lives for some nebulous promise of future payment, even if things had gone to plan.”

Just remembering all of those who had been… temporally displaced was enough to start her blood boiling. The fact that those people – her people – weren’t dead was the only thing really allowing her to cool the anger that was literally woven into her genes. Losing the few that had made the journey through time with her was something she would avoid at any cost, and she would make whoever was responsible would pay a heavy price for each life lost.

“Very well,” Sina agreed, although her irritation at being forced to explain things was plain on her face. “The Asgard seek to give the Goa’uld System Lords a more even footing with the rogue Goa’uld Sokar, whose industrial base is far more developed. Therefore, giving us intelligence on Sokar’s shipments of industrial tooling will be to their benefit.” She paused for questions, and seeing that were none, continued. “I know of a group of rebel Jaffa who possess cloaking technology. With their help, we can hijack the transports and bring the machinery here.”

In an oblique way, this answered the questions Adriene had about how the Tok’ra were going to fulfill any promises they’d made to the Pangarans. Yes, they had three hover trucks worth of equipment, but even she didn’t think that was enough to build an entire industrial base out of. There was a reason why her people had traveled in a massive colony ship – heavy industrial machinery, especially specialized equipment, tended to take up a lot of volume.

“I am not opposed to the idea,” she said slowly, lowering her tail. “But this is definitely a plan that requires a higher level of preparation than the last time you borrowed my people.”

“Naturally,” Sina agreed. “And there is another way we can turn this to our advantage.”

This ought to be good. “And that would be…?”

“It gives the Pangarans left behind something to do.”



Asgard Cruiser Beliskner,
Pangar Orbit


Despite standing on the deck of his cruiser, Thor and Ohper were not there.

Asgard holographic communicators provided full sensory input of the reception point of the transmission. Aside from being able to hear things said on the Beliskner at no loss of volume or clarity, to Thor’s mind, he was in the great hall of Gladsheim on Othalla, the capital of the Asgard domain.

“The High Council thanks you for your report, Supreme Commander,” Freyr, the Chief Archon, announced. “I open this time for questions.”

“What is your opinion of this plan, Supreme Commander?” Penegal asked. He was more of an economic and scientific expert, so his general inability to engage in long term military thinking was expected.

“The Tok’ra and Sodan have the means to infiltrate their agents without detection,” Thor explained. “The xenomorph-hybrids are an unknown quantity, but their genetics provide better radiation resistance than normal humans. They may be able to use the Ancient cloaks the Sodan use for a short time without undue harm.” He looked around at the other members of the High Council. “Providing them with the intelligence required to execute the operation would be no more destabilizing than our passing of intelligence to Ra.”

“There is a difference, Supreme Commander.” That was Assir, who was in charge of Asgard logistics, and was known to be overseeing the massive reconstruction and retooling efforts across the galaxy. New shipyards and automated factories were projected to be completed within a half-century, allowing the Asgard to build a new fleet that could potentially end the Goa’uld – if the war against Sokar and Anubis went spectacularly poorly. “Ra is focusing on defensive actions, building his strength and avoiding provocations. This operation would undoubtedly provoke Sokar into taking hostile action.”

“The Goa’uld are known for their paranoia and treachery,” was the calm rebuttal. “The Tok’ra intend to leave evidence implicating one of Sokar’s subordinates for the theft, which would focus his wraith on an internal threat. The main danger in this is that a more competent subordinate may rise to fill the vacuum created, not a premature beginning of Sokar’s war against Ra and the System Lords.”

As Supreme Commander, Thor was privy to a great many details about the new warships that were to be built – the O’Neill class, named after a human from Earth who’d done much to prove the Fifth Race’s worthiness. The base specifications, the ones for the final construction in the timeline where the Replicators had not been stopped for several more centuries, were already more than sufficient to take on a Goa’uld fleet of two dozen Ha’tak. No one had any idea what the actual capabilities would be for the ones they were building in this timeline, because the Fifth Race had provided a great of extra information on useful Ancient technologies that had been discovered after the Asgard had destroyed themselves to deny any knowledge to the Ancients’ evil kin, the Ori.

They had told the AI in the time-acceleration field to iterate on the various combinations of technologies and sciences until the O’Neill was capable of at least capable of taking out 3 Ori capital ships for every one Asgard ship lost – and to keep iterating the technology until 1990. By the time Ra died, the Asgard would have a massive stockpile of hulls to fit with the deadliest armaments possible. Because if the Goa’uld or Ori forced the Asgard to choose violence, Thor insisted on having the preponderance of force.

“Ohper of the Nox,” Assir, perhaps the greatest political mind of the Asgard, spoke next. “Your insights on the hybrids have been quite valuable to the High Council. Is there anything you wish to say?”

“Only that their queen is sincere in her statement that she will abide by whatever ruling the High Council has on this matter… and that she does not fully trust the Tok’ra.” Ohper gave them an amused smile. “It seems the Tok’ra habit of withholding information as long as possible, instead of sharing it freely, is not appreciated. On the other hand, she is coming to respect Supreme Commander Thor for his forthright nature.”

The other members of the High Council shared a look, then returned their attention to the pair facing them.

“Your presence has been greatly appreciated,” Freyr told Thor and Ohper. “We will contact you once we have come to a decision.”
With that, the connection cut, and the two of them suffered a brief moment of disorientation as they reacclimated to their physical location.

“How long will it take for them to come to a decision?” Ohper, being completely unfamiliar with the actual goings-on of the High Council, had no experience with such matters.

“It will depend on how in-depth the deliberations are,” Thor replied, motioning for Ohper to follow him. “I included my personal assessment of the likely outcomes in the full report. That may or may not speed things up considerably, but we will undoubtedly receive a response by the time the negotiations are scheduled to end.”

“I see,” was the Nox’s reply. “It distresses me that no peaceful options were considered.”

“Ironically, given the situation, attempting to peacefully negotiate with Ra for the equipment in question would arouse more suspicion than stealing the equipment from Sokar.” Thor led the two through the ship to the arboretum, passing several crew members moving through the ship for their own duties. “The paranoia of the Goa’uld is such that Ra would immediately begin investigating why we would want such equipment, as well demanding significant concessions from the High Council for it. It would cause more conflict than framing one of Sokar’s underlings for the theft of the equipment.”

Ohper simply shook his head, but could not summon a counterargument. He was trapped by the Nox’s pacifist philosophy, which would not allow them to take arms or use force to solve an issue. This was part of the reason that the species isolated itself to its homeworld and its hovering cloaked cities. This was why the Asgard were the predominant surviving member of the four great races – they were willing to act when necessary, and in doing so, were making a larger impact than the Nox and Furlings.

“Universe would be a better place if more species and individuals adhered to the philosophy of the Nox,” Thor added, mostly to cheer Opher up, but also because it was true. “We are fortunate that the xenomorph-hybrids generally prefer civilized behavior.”

“It is a shame that no one feels long term coexistence is viable,” Opher commented as they turned a corner. “They are quite reasonable once you move past existential issues.”

“A shame that they are genetically a contentious species,” Thor shot back. “One that can use their intellect to make intelligent long-term decisions, but not overcome their innate hostility to anything that is not them.” He amended that statement. “To be more precise, they do not feel that is a flaw worth correcting. Which is not necessarily an issue when they are confined to one star system. But once they become a dominant species in the galaxy…”

“That is quite a pessimistic view,” the Nox observed.

“The problem with the xenomorph-hybrids is that that they view themselves as morally in the right,” the Supreme Commander mentioned as they entered the arboretum. “Unlike the Goa’uld, whose general species tendency is towards self-preservation and self-aggrandizement, which can be exploited for diplomatic purposes to constrain them. The hybrids believe that their way of life is more beneficial in the long-term for humans. And perhaps they are right. But the end result of their permanent residence in this galaxy will be a conflict between those who benefit from their presence, and those who do not.”

Author's Notes: Nothing much to say here, just a connecting chapter that sets up a space heist and how hype the Asgard fleet will be.

To accurately recreate the Pangaran art, draw a crude version of the standard xenomorph queen, then stick a fish eye on the side of the head and leave the mouth open. It should look as derpy as possible.
 

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Good chapter. By the time we see Pangar again in the 1990s and 2000s they may be a much more advanced culture technologically.
 

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Good chapter. By the time we see Pangar again in the 1990s and 2000s they may be a much more advanced culture technologically.
Indeed.And fun thing - Xenomorph rule would be indeed beneficial for most of humanity in 1880,and 2023,too.
I bet,that chineese would prefer Queen to winnie the pooh,if they could choose !
 
Indeed.And fun thing - Xenomorph rule would be indeed beneficial for most of humanity in 1880,and 2023,too.
I bet,that chineese would prefer Queen to winnie the pooh,if they could choose !

Yeah call me a race traitor but I'm #teamxenomorphs/xenobirds.
 

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