I agree; that's really up there in "good actor, but not the right actor at all for this role". A more recent example would be Kiefer Sutherland in the TV series "Designated Survivor"; you simply can't buy him being an unprepared, indecisive political nobody who is lost and struggling in the role of President, and that pretty much drags the show back to mediocre genericism.
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I agree; that's really up there in "good actor, but not the right actor at all for this role". A more recent example would be Kiefer Sutherland in the TV series "Designated Survivor"; you simply can't buy him being an unprepared, indecisive political nobody who is lost and struggling in the role of President, and that pretty much drags the show back to mediocre genericism.
Bear Ribs
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John Wayne got roped into a few roles where he really wasn't suited but that's part and parcel of the sheer number of movies he made. Another good option is probably Donovan's Reef, he was just too old to be Donovan and even Wayne said so himself but they really wanted him there.
How dare you! John Wayne can play any role... Except... That's right...
Actually I agree with the above posts but I had to post it. However... I mean we do need a good Mongol movie. Sorry 2007's Mongol. As well as John Wayne was in 1956's The Conquerors.
Actually I agree with the above posts but I had to post it. However... I mean we do need a good Mongol movie. Sorry 2007's Mongol. As well as John Wayne was in 1956's The Conquerors.
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Out of curiosity, you ever watch the anime Zipang?
Bear Ribs
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So this is a bit controversial, but on the subject of wrong actor for the role, I'd like to see a new The Ten Commandments. The original is a classic of classics and epic of epics for good reason. Just once, though, I want to see a movie where Moses really is an octogenarian who has difficulty speaking, and needs Aaron as a spokesman. In every movie Moses seems to be the most dominating presence in the room.
That's unlikely to ever happen though, as Moses is a more prestigious part to play so the most prestigious and dominating actor is going to take that position.
That's unlikely to ever happen though, as Moses is a more prestigious part to play so the most prestigious and dominating actor is going to take that position.
Yes, but it ultimately pisses me off due to the cowardice of the Japanese protagonists. The inherent awkwardness of their position in terms of Japan being *completely evil* in this time period is a legitimately interesting theme to explore, but the bottom line is I just can't root for anyone who knows what is going on in the world at that time and say, "No, I'm going to sit back for myself."
At minimum, they should have executed Kusaka as soon as they realized his intent, because that is entirely their fault.
Aaron Fox
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Eh, Zipang is something of an odd duck when it comes to these things. It is almost schizophrenic in how things were going. HOWEVER, at least it isn't like the deluge of Neo-Imperialist Ultranationalists that have been popping up in the Japanese fiction market these days.
GATE? That wonderful piece of wasted potential? Written by a Neo-Imperialist 'Imperial Japan didn't do anything wrong' Ultranationalist who wanted to sate his raging ultranationalist boner. I'm dead serious.
Honestly, that fact doesn't actually make me dislike Gate? But then, since I've long been coming from a Christian right wing perspective when it comes to media consumption, I've long mastered the art of "I don't give a fuck what the author's politics are" when it comes to media, as otherwise, given Hollywood's antipathy towards Conservative Christians and their general desire to purge any of them from their projects that goes back decades, I'd have nothing to watch...
No, the reason to dislike Gate has everything to do with taking an interesting premise and turning it into yet another freaking HAREM ANIME...
Aaron Fox
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Given that said Conservative Christians have always tried to strangle Hollywood at the first opportunity? Look up some of the shit that Hollywood had to deal with because of said Christians.
That's... part of the idiot's Neo-Imperialist ideology I'm afraid. Well, most of it anyway (you wouldn't believe how much stuff from the original web-novel got scrubbed in each succeeding reiteration and if you think the anime is bad, some of the shit that comes up in the original web-novel is... worse... from what little I've gained). The rest of it was due to the fact that harem anime had been starting to print money so, well, right now harem anime is the new moe anime, so to speak.
. . . Conservative Christians, as a political force, only came into any significant power in the 1980s and 90s, and by that point they were already very much out of favor by any of the media elites, and so had very limited impact, and on those areas they did, it's because they were part of a large coalition involved in a moral outrage.
If you're referring to things like the Hays' Code and such prior to the 1960s, I'm sorry, but despite how you like to push anything that the modern left dislikes into the "conservative camp", that was very much not the case when you actually look at the historical movements.
Firstly, the American Conservative movement, of which Conservative Christians are a part of, did not truly become a thing until the 1960s, the very time in which the Hays' code was collapsing. Even if we go with the precursor movements to American Conservative Christians, the Fundamentalist descended Churches, those had no political or social clout in the early to mid 20th century, since they were still rebuilding from getting summarily ejected from the academy. No, the bulk of the push for controlling the media originated from general society as a whole, but mainly focused in the Mainstream Christian Churches (which, I again must note, had been recently captured by the decidedly more progressive Modernist Christians). In point of fact, early 20th Century Progressive Christians were a decidedly censorious lot who sought to improve society from many top down activities. The Temperance movement, for instance, was a big part of Progressive movement, and it was Progressive president Woodrow Wilson who saw the literal apex of Speech Control in US history, and he was decidedly not someone whom fit into the mold of modern Conservative Christians.
AnimalNoodles
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The golden age of hollywood corresponded with the Hays Code. Its almost as if being forced to limit violence, smut and vulgarity inspired better writing.
DocSolarisReich
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And the main force behind the Hays Code was the Catholic Legion of Decency and the very real threat that US Bishops would call boycotts on movies that broke the Code.