Shipmaster Sane
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Hitler was a fucking commie, there is no such thing as right wing socialism.
Philosophy National Socialism: Far Right or Far Left
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LordsFire
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The current 'alt-right' crowd that the left tries to smear the right in general with, are in fact ideological leftists who've fallen out of favor with the mainstream left, because they aren't anti-white racists.
They only thing they tend to have in common with the right, is some sense of nationalism. On basically every single other issue, they are leftists.
CarlManvers2019
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Hitler and the socialist dream
He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger
www.independent.co.uk
Hitler was a fan of that fellow loser and fellow Anti-Semite Marx
Duke Nukem
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Ironically National socialists, Eurotrash in particular go on about hating multiculturalism when they want to unite Europe into some Super white ethnostate Lol.
Morphic Tide
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It's actually a bit of a complicated question, as the underlying "selling point" of the National Socialist framework is the government working very hard for the Nation's benefit. It's specifically not the "transitory" Dictatorship of the Proletariat of Marxist theory, nor is it the weirdly representative stuff the Democratic Socialists try to tell people they're working for.
The big thing is that Nazism describes a somewhat utilitarian mixed market. Keep Capitalism as motivation for the public to work, use command economy to force shit in the direction it needs to go. As I've said before, Fascism explicitly rejects morality of means and focuses utterly on morality of goals.
The Nazis abridge this sort of thinking heavily, thanks to Hitler being an autocratic fool, but very much still operated as a mixed market wherever the State didn't see a use for laying down comprehensive demands.
This is also why so many people who pay attention to the details call China Fascist, because they operate their economy almost exactly the same way the Nazis did before they went to war in earnest.
TL;DR: The Socialism described by Hitler hold a key divergence from Marx in recognizing the value of a mixed market, and is more a "code of ethics" for the nature of the economy instead of a hard policy position. Consequently, a mild variation of it can very much be "Right Wing Socialism", in the same way the Scandanavian countries are Socialist today; the overall operation of the society is bent towards benefiting the society at large, rather than benefiting individual members of it.
Terthna
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Okay? That's not really important to what I was talking about. The specifics of their ideologies are irrelevant; my point was that both men opposed each other, but siding with either is a losing proposition for anyone who isn't interested in having their faces stomped in by jackboots. In that same vein, siding with either the far right or the regressive left is also a bad idea.
Shipmaster Sane
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He practiced massive price fixing, subsumption of all industry into the state, and the communalization of large stores, he's a commie.
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Capitalism is pushing trans rights and LGBT on Poland.
Capitalism doesn’t protect tradition or moral values.
Are we so intellectually bereft we are reduced to fellating Apple and Amazon?
Like, damn. “Fuck yeah American business! It’s pro America to promote transgenderism and shit-cuz opposing that is Soociaalissm!”
State of American “conservatism” right now.
Capitalism doesn’t protect tradition or moral values.
Are we so intellectually bereft we are reduced to fellating Apple and Amazon?
Like, damn. “Fuck yeah American business! It’s pro America to promote transgenderism and shit-cuz opposing that is Soociaalissm!”
State of American “conservatism” right now.
Shipmaster Sane
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Your example of far left VS far left does nothing to shore up this idea of the "Far Right Jackboot boogeyman" you seem to think you're successfully supporting.
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Dude, you have no idea how the world really works do you?
Duke Nukem
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Corporatism not Capitalism
Shipmaster Sane
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Capitalism isnt supposed to protect tradition or moral values, you're not supposed to have a big daddy that tucks you in and takes care of the problem for you while you sip chocky milkies and eat your chicken tendies.
Fucking Consoomers buy Left then complain when Leftist businesses sell them Left ideology.
Duke Nukem
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You don't seem to either considering the Bullshit you spewing.
Shipmaster Sane
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You should just post this repeatedly and save yourself time.
Terthna
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Wow, you really will try to start a fight over pretty much anything won't you? Even to the point of contradicting yourself in the same thread. Why do I even bother talking to you?
Morphic Tide
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Not quite correct, as Corporatism is a pre-existing term referring to a sort of parliamentary oligarchy where the unit of political power is economic interest groups like farmers or textile mill workers (Syndicalism would be an example of such a system, despite purporting to be a form of Socialism), but it does capture the nature of the mess being that there are these monolithic blocs able to just ignore market pressures from regulation creep and monopoly allowances strangling out competition.
Shipmaster Sane
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It must be very embarrassing for you, making the same mistake over and over again in public.
Duke Nukem
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Maybe Crony Capitalism would be a better way to describe it?
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The state should protect its people and their values.
Corporations do more than sell for left ideology, they lobby for it, impose it on their employees and require their customers tacitly accept it to buy from them.
I don’t worship Mammon. The state should in fact keep the people from being enslaved by it.
Morphic Tide
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This is generally the term used for the process in question, to my recollection. State Capitalism operates in the opposite direction, as it's the state consuming the corporations instead of the corporations subsuming or competing with state functions.