'Plan B' Military Coup To Remove Trump, Coordinated By Mattis and Other's, Said to Exist By Former Senator and Marine Vet Richard H. Black

[Deleted member 88]

So you want China to go uncontested? You want them to be spying on everything you do unstopped? You want us to not be able to react to their actions because we lack the Intelligence to do so?

The US will never be caught by surprise again after 9/11 because of how powerful our IC is.

You want another 9/11 Pearel harbor?

Pearl Harbor was because of US interests in Asia, or rather the clash of American and Japanese interests. Under a fortress America foreign policy it would not have happened.

Sure protect American privacy, and online security.

I said-keep the necessary intelligence for defense purposes. Not to influence our domestic politics. The fact you admit their "partisan" shows how corrupted and a threat to a free republic they actually are.

 

[Zachowon]

Pearl Harbor was because of US interests in Asia, or rather the clash of American and Japanese interests. Under a fortress America foreign policy it would not have happened.

Sure protect American privacy, and online security.

I said-keep the necessary intelligence for defense purposes. Not to influence our domestic politics. The fact you admit their "partisan" shows how corrupted and a threat to a free republic they actually are.

Do you know how hard it is to not be partisan?
Everyone has something somewhere.
The thing is, what the head of an agency does does not constitute forcing the whole agency to suffer.
Because the Directore of the FBI is stupid does not mean every member is. Same with DIRNSA and DIRCIA.
For defense purposes, those agencies honestly need to be stronger, for domestic stuff, like the FBI and other federal ones They need a cleansing/ new leadership.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Do you know how hard it is to not be partisan?

Intelligence spooks should be apolitical. And any political opinions monitored for. I mean, I'd prefer we were going to have this empire of Alphabet Soup boys, they'd back donald trump, and whatever right wing policies appealed to me on a given day. But they don't. So I'd rather not have them at all. For America's good.

The thing is, what the head of an agency does does not constitute forcing the whole agency to suffer.
Because the Directore of the FBI is stupid does not mean every member is. Same with DIRNSA and DIRCIA.
For defense purposes, those agencies honestly need to be stronger, for domestic stuff, like the FBI and other federal ones They need a cleansing/ new leadership.

Given the FBI devotes most of its resources to harassing people demonized by the Southern Poverty Law Center, maybe, the whole organization is rotten to the bottom. The occasional good agent notwithstanding.

 

[Sailor.X]

I saw somewhere, some intelligence spook recommended a “bipartisan committee to vet presidential candidates, so this doesn’t happen again”.

The Deep State and Swamp definitely want to make sure someone like trump never comes again.

The system they run requires compliant presidents that don’t buck consensus and don’t actually challenge their assumed prerogatives.

They want to reinstate the old Boss System from the late 19th and Early 20th Centuries.

 

[Sixgun McGurk]

The government has become a piggy bank and they are the piggies.

 

[Zachowon]

Intelligence spooks should be apolitical. And any political opinions monitored for. I mean, I'd prefer we were going to have this empire of Alphabet Soup boys, they'd back donald trump, and whatever right wing policies appealed to me on a given day. But they don't. So I'd rather not have them at all. For America's good.


Given the FBI devotes most of its resources to harassing people demonized by the Southern Poverty Law Center, maybe, the whole organization is rotten to the bottom. The occasional good agent notwithstanding.

You ant have any group be apolitical. And also just because they aren't right does not mean they are in the wrong...
If that is the case then any organization that is center should not exist in your eyes.
Not everyone likes Trump, not everyone likes Biden (most don't) but we are in a country of freedom to express yourself. The alphabet soup can not fire you for your political beliefs, neither can the US military.

Sorry if you don't like the ability to be safe for your political stance. If I was at an NSA site and I was open about my trump support, they would just say okay, and go about their day. One or two people may argue with me, but a majority do not give a fuck.
Just because the heads are corrupt do not mean the underlines do.

I mean, we can make the same argument for Catholosicsm and the pope

 

[paulobrito]

After some size, any organization is / must be politic in order to survive/secure is budget. After some time, the real big ones start to devote more and more attention to the political game and try to influence it in the direction they like more. Is unfortunately equal in all nations, and you don't get a solution for that. The best you can do is a clean sweep from time to time. And that is difficult enough if they are well entrenched, as the US case.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

The military, for the most part, either wouldn't get involved or would firmly come down on the Federal government's side.

There cant be a "not involved" for the military, if you get an order, you either do it or you don't thats a binary choice that makes you "involved".

 

[Zachowon]

After some size, any organization is / must be politic in order to survive/secure is budget. After some time, the real big ones start to devote more and more attention to the political game and try to influence it in the direction they like more. Is unfortunately equal in all nations, and you don't get a solution for that. The best you can do is a clean sweep from time to time. And that is difficult enough if they are well entrenched, as the US case.

It happens every couple of years when we get a new DIRNSA for the NSA for instance

 

[paulobrito]

If the new director is an external (politico for example) already compromised by the organization, or an intern/insider involved in the political game, no real change occurs, only the appearance of a change.
As the crude but so true expression says - the shit is the same, only the flyes change.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Intelligence spooks should be apolitical.

There is no such thing as apolitical as long as there are two people remaining in contact with each other. Politics is fundamentally the process of human group decision making.

The government has become a piggy bank and they are the piggies.

I-

Wait.

 

[Zachowon]

If the new director is an external (politico for example) already compromised by the organization, or an intern/insider involved in the political game, no real change occurs, only the appearance of a change.
As the crude but so true expression says - the shit is the same, only the flyes change.

As we say in the army, once you get up there, it is all just politicking toll you get up higher

 

[Terthna]

Pearl Harbor was because of US interests in Asia, or rather the clash of American and Japanese interests. Under a fortress America foreign policy it would not have happened.

Expect we were as insular a nation as we have ever been back then, and yet the Japanese military still felt a preemptive strike was justified. It wasn't about what we were doing, they attacked us because of what we might have done at some point in the future.

 

[Zachowon]

Expect we were as insular a nation as we have ever been back then, and yet the Japanese military still felt a preemptive strike was justified. It wasn't about what we were doing, they attacked us because of what we might have done at some point in the future.

And why do we think having such a big IC is worthwhile

 

[Terthna]

And why do we think having such a big IC is worthwhile

The Intelligence Community is like any other weapon; it should be used only when necessary, and pointing it in your own face while also pulling the trigger is probably not a good idea.

 

[Zachowon]

The Intelligence Community is like any other weapon; it should be used only when necessary, and pointing it in your own face while also pulling the trigger is probably not a good idea.

Psssh. If we don't point it at our face while pointing it at the enemy then you cant have a mexsican standoff!

 

[Bacle]

Psssh. If we don't point it at our face while pointing it at the enemy then you cant have a mexsican standoff!

So you are ok with the IC leaders shooting our Republic in the face? Because they are doing it for partisan reasons now.



And you wonder why more and more civies want to disband certain IC agencies. They've decided it's ok to lie to your Commander and Chief, banking on him losing the election so they don't have to face the music for what they've done.

 

[Duke Nukem]

So you are ok with the IC leaders shooting our Republic in the face? Because they are doing it for partisan reasons now.



And you wonder why more and more civies want to disband certain IC agencies. They've decided it's ok to lie to your Commander and Chief, banking on him losing the election so they don't have to face the music for what they've done.

I hope Trump orders more investigations this year.

 

[Bacle]

I hope Trump orders more investigations this year.

After he wins, there needs to be a thorough house cleaning of the government, military, and IC.

Our Republic cannot survive if there are organizations and people who can get away with what they've done to Trump.

 

[Duke Nukem]

After he wins, there needs to be a thorough house cleaning of the government, military, and IC.

Our Republic cannot survive if there are organizations and people who can get away with what they've done to Trump.

I hope the Clintons finally get locked up