The protesters are also chanting "death to Khamenei", which is sounds pretty radical to me, I don't remember this from past protests.
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Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread
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CarlManvers2019
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Wait, I thought it was Iraq that was where Mesopotamia was founded
It was, but Iran sits directly between the Fertile Crescent and Indus Valley.
There is debate about which of those civilizations is older, but what is not debated is that their was trade between the two relatively early on. All that trade, or at least the overland portion, would have gone directly through what became Persia then Iran.
Also, Mesopotamia and it's successor Babylon fell apart and fractured, while the Indus Valley civilization dispersered and fractured several times.
Persia and what has become Iran had their own issues, but that was less fracturing and more ethnic groups moving in to their territory, cause some internal strife. But as a civilization, there is little breakage of continuity between the different Persian empires/states, and modern Iran. The invasion of the Mongols was about the biggest disruption, second only when Islam started displacing Zoroastrianism as the main religion of the area.
Arch Dornan
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How much did it cost Iran to do what they're doing right now?
I remember a brigadier general lost his life fighting Daesh once so that was a big loss. Now there's these fuel prices pissing off the locals to go protest.
I remember a brigadier general lost his life fighting Daesh once so that was a big loss. Now there's these fuel prices pissing off the locals to go protest.
Lanmandragon
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True and it very unfortunate but to he expected. The tyrants people are always thier worst victims.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
They lost quite a few IRGC generals in Syria and Iraq, they are supposed to lead from the front. And it was expensive as hell, Iran subsidized the Syrian government to stay afloat, when civil war crashed Syrian economy, to the tune of several billions dollars per year, the expenses for upkeep of pro-Iran militias are a minor expense compared to that.
Arch Dornan
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Shit this was what got the French to revolt but I don't know if they did lost generals too supporting Washington.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Losing generals in combat was noteworthy but completely normal until the end of 19th century, just look at how many generals on both sides were killed during American Civil War. And French expenses in the war against the British was only part of reasons for French Revolution.
Lanmandragon
Well-known member
Ehh even back then losing a genral could decide a battle quite easily. Which is all that really matters in the end. You either win or lose.
Top Iranian general killed by US in Iraq - BBC News
The killing of Qasem Soleimani marks a major escalation in tensions between Washington and Tehran.
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The US assassinated Qassem Sulimani.
I can't possibly overstate the enormity of these news. It's the equivalent of assassinating general Matis. Sulimani (whose name is familiar to any resident of the Middle East) is the great architect of Iranian expansion and proxy activity throughout the Middle East. He was the puppetmaster, the chessmaster of Iranian strategy.
It's not clear if Iran even has a worthwhile replacement for a man of such caliber, but one thing is clear, if it decides to respond (and it likely will) it's going to get "interesting" in the Chinese sense.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Top Iranian general killed by US in Iraq - BBC News
The killing of Qasem Soleimani marks a major escalation in tensions between Washington and Tehran.
The US assassinated Qassem Sulimani.
I can't possibly overstate the enormity of these news. It's the equivalent of assassinating general Matis. Sulimani (whose name is familiar to any resident of the Middle East) is the great architect of Iranian expansion and proxy activity throughout the Middle East. He was the puppetmaster, the chessmaster of Iranian strategy.
It's not clear if Iran even has a worthwhile replacement for a man of such caliber, but one thing is clear, if it decides to respond (and it likely will) it's going to get "interesting" in the Chinese sense.
You know, I think at times people forget how deadly US Military Power is
Arch Dornan
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Bibi must be dancing a jig. He's the one from the one of the news articles you posted that he wanted the US to go to war with Iran?Top Iranian general killed by US in Iraq - BBC News
The killing of Qasem Soleimani marks a major escalation in tensions between Washington and Tehran.
The US assassinated Qassem Sulimani.
I can't possibly overstate the enormity of these news. It's the equivalent of assassinating general Matis. Sulimani (whose name is familiar to any resident of the Middle East) is the great architect of Iranian expansion and proxy activity throughout the Middle East. He was the puppetmaster, the chessmaster of Iranian strategy.
It's not clear if Iran even has a worthwhile replacement for a man of such caliber, but one thing is clear, if it decides to respond (and it likely will) it's going to get "interesting" in the Chinese sense.
John Bolton too. Probably woke up to put on his slippers and read the news and then this comes up and he gets an erection.
I don't think Bibi wants the US "to go to war with Iran". Any evidence on that front? He wants US help in containing Iranian imperialism, but that doesn't necessarily mean war. I think he danced his dance when Trump withdrew from the nuclear agreement, but now the situation is highly flammable because of the assassination (even though removing Sulimani, if viewed as an isolated event, is unquestionably beneficial to Israel), and Bibi sure as hell doesn't need Iran to strike Israel directly and cause casualties right before a very contested and complicated round of elections.
I suggest you put the big boy hat on and stop viewing events in such a childish way, very very few people truly want a large scale war to happen, even in Iran which is by far the most belligerent nation out of everyone involved.
Arch Dornan
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It was from this source you posted in this thread that gave me that impression. But now that I reread it, Bibi would rather strike directly at Iran's nuke program and not at Iran's top men so my memory was partially misplaced. Would you agree about John Bolton with what the internet has to say about him?
I can't put on my big boy hat. Haven't served so that mentality will never go away when I speak my mind. Feel free to point it out. I know only bare geopolitics from what people post and say. I'm not a spook or diplomat to know the really fun stuff that's behind closed doors.
The Secret History of the Push to Strike Iran (Published 2019)
Hawks in Israel and America have spent more than a decade agitating for war against the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program. Will Trump finally deliver?www.nytimes.com
A long read, seems to be very interesting, although I haven't had the chance to go through it fully myself.
Here's a random paragraph:
This shit is better than Game of Thrones.
I'll be sure to read this article from top to bottom the moment I have the time.
EDIT: From skimming through it further - this is a treasure trove. Seriously READ THIS, especially if you want to understand the behind the scenes processes going on in Israel and the US vis a vis a strike against Iran. That said, keep in mind to remain critical of the claims presented, especially from anonymous sources.
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As far as I can be sure without telepathically reading Bibi's mind, he's for stopping Iranian ambitions by any means necessary, even war, but only as a last resort. I think he'd support the continuation of the sanctions on Iran and will support this assassination, but not an open war, which is dangerous both to Israel in general and his political career specifically.
I'm not familiar with Bolton aside from knowing that he has a neocon stance, I guess he won't be opposed to war if one develops and will not be willing to bow down to Iran even if it means starting a war, but I think that his true best case scenario (as well as Bibi's) is an internal regime change that will not involve the US directly (currently seems unlikely)
Arch Dornan
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Alright.
About Bibi was he the one who presented a cartoon image of a bomb in some meeting to make a point? Ex top intel officer too?
Got some corruption allegations that involved his son too?
I heard he won again. With his stance against any attacks on Israel I'd vote for him too if I was an Israeli with hostile neighbours next door who'd want a piece of me to vent their frustrations on.
Yep, that's the guy.
No, Bibi was a special forces Captain, not in Intelligence.
Has corruption allegations, yes, but not involving his son to my knowledge (although the son is infamous in his own way).
Nope. He basically tied twice. Israel is having the third elections in a year because of the repeated stalemates (a bit more complicated than that in reality, but I don't feel like getting in depth into Israel's political system and the current quagmire).
He did win the primaries inside his own party with a big margin, after a member if his own party challenged him for the leadership.
Many consider him too soft on some of the terrorist factions, actually. Even the left has criticized some of his policies as not being harsh enough.
I think any Israeli leader will do whatever is necessary to defend the country.
Well from what I understand a lot of people in my MOS that are instructors want to go to war. Because soemthing to do.
Honestly if we go to war I will be to busy to focus on the world as a whole and focus on my mission.
As for this. I do not hope war comes. If it does I serve my country and all that. The retaliation is what I fear most. Depending on what they do...it could be the start of the next world war.
Also is china wanting to get involved with Iran?
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I'm curious about how you think this could lead to the next world war. I don't see Iran having remotely enough power, or friends with enough power, to cause that.