Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

ATP

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You think the terms are going to be the same after such brutal fighting? Nope. Even now, if Kiev came to the table the terms will be much worse than the initial treaty. And when Russia wins, the terms will be unconditional surrender.
Moscov from the start wanted Ukraine gone.But,they could do so only if USA agree to that.
Just like in 1945 soviets could take Central Europe ONLY becouse USA gave it to them for notching.

Question is - would demorats gave Central Europe to Moscov for notching again?

See in next issue !
 

AnimalNoodles

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Bacle is clearly unhinged, and getting more and more unhinged as time goes on and the reality of what is happening in Ukraine sinks in. Perhaps a miracle will happen and Ukraine will somehow win, but it not likely is it?

The truth is, i have no special affinity for Russia and before this war have rarely commented on them here or on Spacebattles.

I do not think Russia is 'based' or Putin is our savior.

As an Anglo-Canadian I have sympathy for Ukraines desire to build a destiny apart from Russia. Believe me, i know what its like to live next to a much larger country inhabited by people with whom you share intimate historical, cultural and linguistic links and who dont fundamentally respect your existance as a distinct people.

That being said, I also understand the reality that we have no choice but to bend knee at this time in history. Ukraine is no different. If Ukraine had chosen to remain politically neutral and culturally aligned with Russia it could have thrived. But the parasites would not let it. They dont care about Ukraine..they wanted a colony to loot and a dagger pointed at the heart of a Great power that had an existential interest in Ukraine.

And so Ukraines fate was sealed. And when Ukraine is defeated, it will either be tossed aside by the antiwest like a used condom or what remains of it will be looted and stuffed with africans and asians to lock it down as secure colony.

I am opposed to the Big Gay Empire. I want the west to be free and strong. And for this to happen, the ruling clique must be defeated and replaced. Every victory for the Empire is a defeat for me, a defeat for you. Many of you who cant see that are either a displaced liberal like Bacle, or because you are a conservative who is still attached to the rotten institutions that openly despise you and seeks to replace you.

When this antiwest we live in is defeated in Ukraine it will send shockwaves around the world, and shake the credibility of the parasitic ruling elite. They will WEAKEN and grow even crueller and more tyrannical in response. But thier credibility and sense of invincibility will be forever destroyed. This will create unrest, division in the parasite classes and opportunities for us in the future. It will bring closer the day of our ultimate victory and liberation.

I am not a patriot so appeals to patriotism are pointless. There is nothing to be loyal to. I mourn what was, I despise what is, and my Patriotism is given to what will come in a future I will never see after we have defeated our enemies and liberated ourselves.

And when that happens, we can actually build a new system that really can stand against our geopolitical rivals instead of merely posturing and lecturing. Something to be patriotic about. Something to fight for.
 

Rocinante

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Bacle is clearly unhinged, and getting more and more unhinged as time goes on and the reality of what is happening in Ukraine sinks in. Perhaps a miracle will happen and Ukraine will somehow win, but it not likely is it?

The truth is, i have no special affinity for Russia and before this war have rarely commented on them here or on Spacebattles.

I do not think Russia is 'based' or Putin is our savior.

As an Anglo-Canadian I have sympathy for Ukraines desire to build a destiny apart from Russia. Believe me, i know what its like to live next to a much larger country inhabited by people with whom you share intimate historical, cultural and linguistic links and who dont fundamentally respect your existance as a distinct people.

That being said, I also understand the reality that we have no choice but to bend knee at this time in history. Ukraine is no different. If Ukraine had chosen to remain politically neutral and culturally aligned with Russia it could have thrived. But the parasites would not let it. They dont care about Ukraine..they wanted a colony to loot and a dagger pointed at the heart of a Great power that had an existential interest in Ukraine.

And so Ukraines fate was sealed. And when Ukraine is defeated, it will either be tossed aside by the antiwest like a used condom or what remains of it will be looted and stuffed with africans and asians to lock it down as secure colony.

I am opposed to the Big Gay Empire. I want the west to be free and strong. And for this to happen, the ruling clique must be defeated and replaced. Every victory for the Empire is a defeat for me, a defeat for you. Many of you who cant see that are either a displaced liberal like Bacle, or because you are a conservative who is still attached to the rotten institutions that openly despise you and seeks to replace you.

When this antiwest we live in is defeated in Ukraine it will send shockwaves around the world, and shake the credibility of the parasitic ruling elite. They will WEAKEN and grow even crueller and more tyrannical in response. But thier credibility and sense of invincibility will be forever destroyed. This will create unrest, division in the parasite classes and opportunities for us in the future. It will bring closer the day of our ultimate victory and liberation.

I am not a patriot so appeals to patriotism are pointless. There is nothing to be loyal to. I mourn what was, I despise what is, and my Patriotism is given to what will come in a future I will never see after we have defeated our enemies and liberated ourselves.

And when that happens, we can actually build a new system that really can stand against our geopolitical rivals instead of merely posturing and lecturing. Something to be patriotic about. Something to fight for.
@Bacle is someone I used to talk to a lot. Always considered him a friend on here. I've even defended him plenty of times in the discord, and in PMs, even when he wasn't around to see it or defend himself. People in that discord can vouch for that.

I always considered him a good person, who I disagreed with on some things, agreed with on others. I saw a lot in common between us, the way we were pushed out from the left, but still not sold on Republicans. Leaving us as independents forced to vote republican because the democrats are just that bad.

I even see a lot of myself in him, with a lot of the angst and anger he has been challenged with.

So part of me still likes Bacle. I don't think he's a bad guy. I do think, that Ukraine has been turning him more and more unhinged and idiotic. I think he's really lost the thread here, and he comes across as an utter lunatic for saying things like you should face Nuremberg trials for disagreeing with him.

The guy has utterly lost it on this topic. To the point that he won't even consider that people have different reasons for questioning being involved in Ukraine other than supporting Russia.
 

ATP

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Bacle is clearly unhinged, and getting more and more unhinged as time goes on and the reality of what is happening in Ukraine sinks in. Perhaps a miracle will happen and Ukraine will somehow win, but it not likely is it?

The truth is, i have no special affinity for Russia and before this war have rarely commented on them here or on Spacebattles.

I do not think Russia is 'based' or Putin is our savior.

As an Anglo-Canadian I have sympathy for Ukraines desire to build a destiny apart from Russia. Believe me, i know what its like to live next to a much larger country inhabited by people with whom you share intimate historical, cultural and linguistic links and who dont fundamentally respect your existance as a distinct people.

That being said, I also understand the reality that we have no choice but to bend knee at this time in history. Ukraine is no different. If Ukraine had chosen to remain politically neutral and culturally aligned with Russia it could have thrived. But the parasites would not let it. They dont care about Ukraine..they wanted a colony to loot and a dagger pointed at the heart of a Great power that had an existential interest in Ukraine.

And so Ukraines fate was sealed. And when Ukraine is defeated, it will either be tossed aside by the antiwest like a used condom or what remains of it will be looted and stuffed with africans and asians to lock it down as secure colony.

I am opposed to the Big Gay Empire. I want the west to be free and strong. And for this to happen, the ruling clique must be defeated and replaced. Every victory for the Empire is a defeat for me, a defeat for you. Many of you who cant see that are either a displaced liberal like Bacle, or because you are a conservative who is still attached to the rotten institutions that openly despise you and seeks to replace you.

When this antiwest we live in is defeated in Ukraine it will send shockwaves around the world, and shake the credibility of the parasitic ruling elite. They will WEAKEN and grow even crueller and more tyrannical in response. But thier credibility and sense of invincibility will be forever destroyed. This will create unrest, division in the parasite classes and opportunities for us in the future. It will bring closer the day of our ultimate victory and liberation.

I am not a patriot so appeals to patriotism are pointless. There is nothing to be loyal to. I mourn what was, I despise what is, and my Patriotism is given to what will come in a future I will never see after we have defeated our enemies and liberated ourselves.

And when that happens, we can actually build a new system that really can stand against our geopolitical rivals instead of merely posturing and lecturing. Something to be patriotic about. Something to fight for.
You are right about ruling elites.But you forget,that Moscov want not only Ukraine,but everytching they could grab.
I do not like Ukraine myself,but if we do not fight kgb there,they would come to Poland.
And do not stop here.

Considering that they want back Alaska,you would not be safe in Canada,too.

P.S there is no much need to stop them - 500 Abrams,maybe 200 F.16 from reserve.USA really do not need to start war to do so.
 

Bacle

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I'd rather have a new Nuremberg for the people that are responsible for covid, the Vax, and are actively subverting and trying to destroy my country from within.

Shrug. To each their own favored enemy I suppose. We're all different.
That's Nuremberg 2.0 for Fauci and friends; 3.0 is for the Russian 5th column and war criminals.
Bacle is clearly unhinged, and getting more and more unhinged as time goes on and the reality of what is happening in Ukraine sinks in. Perhaps a miracle will happen and Ukraine will somehow win, but it not likely is it?

The truth is, i have no special affinity for Russia and before this war have rarely commented on them here or on Spacebattles.

I do not think Russia is 'based' or Putin is our savior.

As an Anglo-Canadian I have sympathy for Ukraines desire to build a destiny apart from Russia. Believe me, i know what its like to live next to a much larger country inhabited by people with whom you share intimate historical, cultural and linguistic links and who dont fundamentally respect your existance as a distinct people.

That being said, I also understand the reality that we have no choice but to bend knee at this time in history. Ukraine is no different. If Ukraine had chosen to remain politically neutral and culturally aligned with Russia it could have thrived. But the parasites would not let it. They dont care about Ukraine..they wanted a colony to loot and a dagger pointed at the heart of a Great power that had an existential interest in Ukraine.

And so Ukraines fate was sealed. And when Ukraine is defeated, it will either be tossed aside by the antiwest like a used condom or what remains of it will be looted and stuffed with africans and asians to lock it down as secure colony.

I am opposed to the Big Gay Empire. I want the west to be free and strong. And for this to happen, the ruling clique must be defeated and replaced. Every victory for the Empire is a defeat for me, a defeat for you. Many of you who cant see that are either a displaced liberal like Bacle, or because you are a conservative who is still attached to the rotten institutions that openly despise you and seeks to replace you.

When this antiwest we live in is defeated in Ukraine it will send shockwaves around the world, and shake the credibility of the parasitic ruling elite. They will WEAKEN and grow even crueller and more tyrannical in response. But thier credibility and sense of invincibility will be forever destroyed. This will create unrest, division in the parasite classes and opportunities for us in the future. It will bring closer the day of our ultimate victory and liberation.

I am not a patriot so appeals to patriotism are pointless. There is nothing to be loyal to. I mourn what was, I despise what is, and my Patriotism is given to what will come in a future I will never see after we have defeated our enemies and liberated ourselves.

And when that happens, we can actually build a new system that really can stand against our geopolitical rivals instead of merely posturing and lecturing. Something to be patriotic about. Something to fight for.
Oh, you're a fucking Canuck, should have known; explains your grudge against the US and west when your nation is controlled by Trudeau.
@Bacle is someone I used to talk to a lot. Always considered him a friend on here. I've even defended him plenty of times in the discord, and in PMs, even when he wasn't around to see it or defend himself. People in that discord can vouch for that.

I always considered him a good person, who I disagreed with on some things, agreed with on others. I saw a lot in common between us, the way we were pushed out from the left, but still not sold on Republicans. Leaving us as independents forced to vote republican because the democrats are just that bad.

I even see a lot of myself in him, with a lot of the angst and anger he has been challenged with.

So part of me still likes Bacle. I don't think he's a bad guy. I do think, that Ukraine has been turning him more and more unhinged and idiotic. I think he's really lost the thread here, and he comes across as an utter lunatic for saying things like you should face Nuremberg trials for disagreeing with him.

The guy has utterly lost it on this topic. To the point that he won't even consider that people have different reasons for questioning being involved in Ukraine other than supporting Russia.
No, I do consider the other reasons people want to cut aid to Ukraine and let Russia win.

In fact I have dissected those reasons multiple times, @Marduk has dissected them multiple times, and guess what, at the end of the day the reasoning behind the ideas is usually based on taking lies from Russia at face value, trusting Russia when Ukraine cannot, and believing mistakenly that cutting aid to Ukraine will somehow magically fix things back home. The only way we keep Russia from invading others is to force them out of all of Ukraine's lands and make such a last impact on the Russian psyche they don't want to invade anyone for a century or so.

Roci, you have a pride issue over predicting Trump, and you keep acting like it's turned you into a prophet; it hasn't.

And if you think I've become unhinged on the subject, consider maybe I'm rather passionate about this because I know that, unlike what you'd like to believe, Russia/Putin will not hold to any 'deal' made, they've already put out a list of demands that is straight up unacceptable to more than just Ukraine and makes demands of more than just Ukraine, and that if Ukraine does not get it's land back, the the Russian leadership will just take that W as a justification to rearm and try again, this time likely with the Baltics and with NATO proper.

I mean FFS, the Russians are making noises about the sale of Alaska being illegit and wanting to take it back. The Russian leadership is gearing the Russian people up for generations of warfare, and US soil is on the target list, even if we completely abandoned Europe.

I'd prefer not to see Russia invade any other nation in my life time, I'd prefer not to be lumped in with the 'Ukraine skeptics' (the kindest term I can stomach using for this situation for people like you Roci, compared to the open vatniks like AnimalNoodles) just because I voted for Trump, and I'd prefer not to have to feel like I sacrificed decades of my life and social circle for Trump and the GOP when they decide to make the 'Russian Collusion Hoax' into a 'Russian Collusion Reality'.

This is not what I signed up for when I came out to support Trump and the GOP, and I resent the fuck out of being forced into this position because stupidity of other parts of the Right.

Edit: @Rocinante the stuff with Russia is not just about Ukraine either now. Russia helped Hamas pull the attacks of Oct 7th off, and that another source of anger at Russians and their simps in my mind. I know you don't approve of Russia helping Hamas, but it does seems to get memory holed a lot.
 
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mrttao

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As an Anglo-Canadian I have sympathy for Ukraines desire to build a destiny apart from Russia. Believe me, i know what its like to live next to a much larger country inhabited by people with whom you share intimate historical, cultural and linguistic links and who dont fundamentally respect your existance as a distinct people.
Speaking of, it is about time we liberated canada
 

Skallagrim

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This is getting a bit worrisome, you know....


With Trudeau in charge, it does feel like liberating Canada may need to be done at some point.

We still won't keep Quebec, though; France can have that back.
-- Bacle


With Zelenskyy in charge, it does feel like liberating Ukraine may need to be done at some point.

We still won't keep Lviv, though; Poland can have that back.
-- almost literally Dmitry Medvedev


...something something he who fights monsters, something something the abyss also stares into you. :p

(And I make a joke of it here, but it's important to keep that in mind. It's so easy to lose your way when you let blind hatred guide you; even justified hatred. Trials for thoughtcrime and blatant jingoist bullshit -- "you're Canadian so your opinion is invalid", that kind of thing -- will never lead to just outcomes. Nor ones supported by reason. Those who would do right must commit to right action. That's always hard, but it's the only correct path. To do otherwise only taints all arguments and leads the way to false solutions.)
 
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Rocinante

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That's Nuremberg 2.0 for Fauci and friends; 3.0 is for the Russian 5th column and war criminals.

Oh, you're a fucking Canuck, should have known; explains your grudge against the US and west when your nation is controlled by Trudeau.

No, I do consider the other reasons people want to cut aid to Ukraine and let Russia win.

In fact I have dissected those reasons multiple times, @Marduk has dissected them multiple times, and guess what, at the end of the day the reasoning behind the ideas is usually based on taking lies from Russia at face value, trusting Russia when Ukraine cannot, and believing mistakenly that cutting aid to Ukraine will somehow magically fix things back home. The only way we keep Russia from invading others is to force them out of all of Ukraine's lands and make such a last impact on the Russian psyche they don't want to invade anyone for a century or so.

Roci, you have a pride issue over predicting Trump, and you keep acting like it's turned you into a prophet; it hasn't.

And if you think I've become unhinged on the subject, consider maybe I'm rather passionate about this because I know that, unlike what you'd like to believe, Russia/Putin will not hold to any 'deal' made, they've already put out a list of demands that is straight up unacceptable to more than just Ukraine and makes demands of more than just Ukraine, and that if Ukraine does not get it's land back, the the Russian leadership will just take that W as a justification to rearm and try again, this time likely with the Baltics and with NATO proper.

I mean FFS, the Russians are making noises about the sale of Alaska being illegit and wanting to take it back. The Russian leadership is gearing the Russian people up for generations of warfare, and US soil is on the target list, even if we completely abandoned Europe.

I'd prefer not to see Russia invade any other nation in my life time, I'd prefer not to be lumped in with the 'Ukraine skeptics' (the kindest term I can stomach using for this situation for people like you Roci, compared to the open vatniks like AnimalNoodles) just because I voted for Trump, and I'd prefer not to have to feel like I sacrificed decades of my life and social circle for Trump and the GOP when they decide to make the 'Russian Collusion Hoax' into a 'Russian Collusion Reality'.

This is not what I signed up for when I came out to support Trump and the GOP, and I resent the fuck out of being forced into this position because stupidity of other parts of the Right.

Edit: @Rocinante the stuff with Russia is not just about Ukraine either now. Russia helped Hamas pull the attacks of Oct 7th off, and that another source of anger at Russians and their simps in my mind. I know you don't approve of Russia helping Hamas, but it does seems to get memory holed a lot.
See, the primary place we disagree, on both ends, is based on predictions that neither of us can really confirm until this is said and done.

Personally I don't think Russia will try this again any time soon. They thought this would be a couple weeks, and instead it's been a couple years, and they want out, but won't leave with nothing.

And I have absolutely ZERO reason to believe that after fighting Ukraine and being in a 2 year mostly stale-mate, that they'd ever DREAM about goint against NATO. NATO is far more powerful than Russia.

No, my prediction is that they tuck their tail and run with a few concessions, once this is said and done. Then all those countries on the border need to invest in their militaries and bolster the fuck out of their borders. If they don't, and Russia later invades them? That's on them. It shouldn't be up to the US to play world police. In fact, my entire life online I've been told that by almost every foreigner I talk to. And then suddenly they are threatened and it's all "come save us uncle sam!" It's time for europe to step up and handle it's own mess in my opinion.

Further, I don't see Russia as a threat to me. I don't actually care that much if Ukraine in its entirety, became part of Russia. It wouldn't change the life of the average American. In fact if that ends the conflict and removes the threat of nuclear escalation, I'm totally okay with it. The main threats I face are on my southern border, in my government and running my media.

Russia isn't my friend, but they're not my most immediate or dangerous enemy either.
 

AnimalNoodles

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...something something he who fights monsters, something something the abyss also stares into you. :p

(And I make a joke of it here, but it's important to keep that in mind. It's so easy to lose your way when you let blind hatred guide you; even justified hatred. Trials for thoughtcrime and blatant jingoist bullshit -- "you're Canadian so your opinion is invalid", that kind of thing -- will never lead to just outcomes. Nor ones supported by reason. Those who would do right must commit to right action. That's always hard, but it's the only correct path. It only taints all arguments and leads the way to false solutions.)
I have noticed that Bacle seems to have nothing but contempt for many countries that are supposedly the closest allies of the USA. He was spewing venom about the UK a few posts back as well.
 

Rocinante

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I have noticed that Bacle seems to have nothing but contempt for many countries that are supposedly the closest allies of the USA. He was spewing venom about the UK a few posts back as well.
I do too lol. Just disagree with him on Ukraine. I've been listening to most people from these countries talk shit on me and America for most of my life. Most of you here are alright, but I tend to not like those people lol
 

Bacle

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This is getting a bit worrisome, you know....



-- Bacle



-- almost literally Dmitry Medvedev


...something something he who fights monsters, something something the abyss also stares into you. :p

(And I make a joke of it here, but it's important to keep that in mind. It's so easy to lose your way when you let blind hatred guide you; even justified hatred. Trials for thoughtcrime and blatant jingoist bullshit -- "you're Canadian so your opinion is invalid", that kind of thing -- will never lead to just outcomes. Nor ones supported by reason. Those who would do right must commit to right action. That's always hard, but it's the only correct path. It only taints all arguments and leads the way to false solutions.)
I'm sorry, have you seen the state of Canada lately?

Leaf's got no room to shit on the US for anything, and secession is legal in Canada, after all. If British Colombia or Calgary wanted out and into the US, we'd let them in in a heartbeat and not much Ottawa could do.

Not to mention Canadians sticking their noses in US politics has never resulted in anything good, and usually just resulted in W's for the Progressives.

And frankly, I've seen you and others here shit on Trudeau and Canada just as much as I have, because Canada's gov is an even more socialist hellhole than the US is even close to.

If our we need to rescue our Hat from socialism at some point, I expect you and most others would be cheering the US on.

So make your joke, but you know damn well how bad things have gotten in Canada in recent years, and I'm only partially joking when I say the US may need to one day liberate our northern neighbors from commies and socialist destruction on par with pre-Milie Argentina.
See, the primary place we disagree, on both ends, is based on predictions that neither of us can really confirm until this is said and done.

Personally I don't think Russia will try this again any time soon. They thought this would be a couple weeks, and instead it's been a couple years, and they want out, but won't leave with nothing.

And I have absolutely ZERO reason to believe that after fighting Ukraine and being in a 2 year mostly stale-mate, that they'd ever DREAM about goint against NATO. NATO is far more powerful than Russia.

No, my prediction is that they tuck their tail and run with a few concessions, once this is said and done. Then all those countries on the border need to invest in their militaries and bolster the fuck out of their borders. If they don't, and Russia later invades them? That's on them. It shouldn't be up to the US to play world police. In fact, my entire life online I've been told that by almost every foreigner I talk to. And then suddenly they are threatened and it's all "come save us uncle sam!" It's time for europe to step up and handle it's own mess in my opinion.

Further, I don't see Russia as a threat to me. I don't actually care that much if Ukraine in its entirety, became part of Russia. It wouldn't change the life of the average American. In fact if that ends the conflict and removes the threat of nuclear escalation, I'm totally okay with it. The main threats I face are on my southern border, in my government and running my media.

Russia isn't my friend, but they're not my most immediate or dangerous enemy either.
My predictions are based on Russia's previous behavior over the centuries, the rhetoric the Kremlin pushes to it's own people, and based on how Russia's neighbors feel about the situation.

Your predictions are based on the mistake of 'mirror thinking', of thinking Russian leadership and culture operates on the same wavelength as a centrist American, and not understanding that Russian strategic and cultural thinking won't see a things the same way you think they will.

People besides me have tried to get this point across to you for a while, and you don't seem to want to even contemplate that Russian leadership doesn't view things in the same mindset you are assuming they will.

Your predictions also do not account for the generational warfare Russian leadership is gearing it's culture up for, as well, and seem to think in rather short term outlooks.

And you still haven't dealt with the part Russia played in Oct 7th, which shows why Russia is a direct and present threat to the US and west, even outside of the conflict with Ukraine.

Or do you think Russia backing Hamas and friends is no big deal and no threat to us either?

You don't want to consider that you've misjudged the Russian leadership's mindset, Roci, and don't seem to want to deal with the fact Russia is very much our enemy in multiple theaters of the world.
I have noticed that Bacle seems to have nothing but contempt for many countries that are supposedly the closest allies of the USA. He was spewing venom about the UK a few posts back as well.
I tend to dislike the UK in general, partially because of their continuous pompous attitude towards the US, while at the same time begging us to save them, and partially because of my Irish heritage and the Brits unrepentant actions toward Ireland over the centuries.

That's even before we get into the crime against humanity that is most British cuisine.

I like the UK Armed Forces, and not much else out of that island.

My contempt for Canada comes from...well, a lot of things, some related to Trudeau, some related to Canadian progressives causing problems in the US, and some because your nation never actually got free of the UK.

My contempt for Germany comes from...well, it'd be easier to figure out what I don't find contemptible Germany; I guess their pastries, wedding festivities, and Octoberfest related stuff is respectable.

I do too lol. Just disagree with him on Ukraine. I've been listening to most people from these countries talk shit on me and America for most of my life. Most of you here are alright, but I tend to not like those people lol
I haven't forgotten all those foreigners who will shit-talk the US in 'good times', right up till they need us to rescue them from something in 'bad times'.

It's part of why I do support Ukraine, because they actually supported the US in both Iraq and A-stan, despite not even being in NATO, and didn't shit all over the US out of hand like many western Euro's did for decades.
 

ATP

Well-known member
This is getting a bit worrisome, you know....



-- Bacle



-- almost literally Dmitry Medvedev


...something something he who fights monsters, something something the abyss also stares into you. :p

(And I make a joke of it here, but it's important to keep that in mind. It's so easy to lose your way when you let blind hatred guide you; even justified hatred. Trials for thoughtcrime and blatant jingoist bullshit -- "you're Canadian so your opinion is invalid", that kind of thing -- will never lead to just outcomes. Nor ones supported by reason. Those who would do right must commit to right action. That's always hard, but it's the only correct path. To do otherwise only taints all arguments and leads the way to false solutions.)
Agree.And,when LWÓW is old polish city,we do not want it back - too many money we must pour into it.And we do not need rezuns making monuments of UPA butchers,too.

Only reason why i still support Ukraine - we would be next,when kgb eat them.
 

mrttao

Well-known member
I'm sorry, have you seen the state of Canada lately?
pretty much this.
Canada is a communist hellhole right now.
They are proud to say "we have no parent rights in canada".

And they just passed a law that gives life in prison for anyone caught posting "hate speech online" (such as "we need to secure the border").
The CCP literally took over parts of canada, by mass sending in its citizens to immigrate to canada, but they still obey the CCP directly.

CCP ordered them that, once they buy land they are only allowed to sell it to other CCP citizens. So there are entire cities that are CCP only and non CCP canadians are simply not allowed to buy land there.
And all this time, they are arresting for hate speech anyone who opposes this.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder


The amount of ethnic republic Moscow has tried to control and oppress is going to be the Kremlin regime's downfall.



Map of oil refineries in Russia, with weapons range of different types of UA drones/missiles overlain.

Russia can replace manpower, it cannot replace refineries, and a lot of Russia's oil infrastructure is not that far from Ukraine's borders.
 
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Marduk

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That being said, I also understand the reality that we have no choice but to bend knee at this time in history. Ukraine is no different. If Ukraine had chosen to remain politically neutral and culturally aligned with Russia it could have thrived. But the parasites would not let it. They dont care about Ukraine..they wanted a colony to loot and a dagger pointed at the heart of a Great power that had an existential interest in Ukraine.
LMAO, this part clearly shows you are a tourist who has no idea about the greater context of the conflict.
Ukraine was "politically neutral" and aligned with Russia for about 2 decades of all the time since USSR broke up. It *did not* thrive at all. Which is why people hated the Russia aligned politicians and that lead to their overthrow.
When this antiwest we live in is defeated in Ukraine it will send shockwaves around the world, and shake the credibility of the parasitic ruling elite. They will WEAKEN and grow even crueller and more tyrannical in response. But thier credibility and sense of invincibility will be forever destroyed. This will create unrest, division in the parasite classes and opportunities for us in the future. It will bring closer the day of our ultimate victory and liberation.
Russia is more *antiwest* than Ukraine you bloody clown.
You will get shit, not liberation, from anti-western alliance of Russia and China getting victories, that will just make the managers sell out your interests to them harder.
And when that happens, we can actually build a new system that really can stand against our geopolitical rivals instead of merely posturing and lecturing. Something to be patriotic about. Something to fight for.
The geopolitical rivals will never let you build anything, nevermind a new system, if you let them get geopolitical victories in hope it will get you put in charge. They aren't that stupid.
 

strunkenwhite

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I'm tired of playing nice over this shit, and I'm tired of acting like Russia's 5th column isn't a thing that people like AnimalNoodles seems a willing part of.
The idea that any "Nuremberg X.0" would be going after ground-level dupes en masse is ludicrous. Leaving aside whether it's "wrong", it would be at best a waste of time (in the sense of irresponsible use of finite time and resources), and at worst a vehicle for targeting a specific subset of ground-level dupes without having to admit why they're really being targeted.
 

ATP

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That excuse will disappear soon enough, I think.
Yes.Moscov is weak - but,they could conqer Europe,if USA leave it.If Poland were still independent,it could be another story - but we are ruled by german agent now.
And germans are Putin useful idiots.

LMAO, this part clearly shows you are a tourist who has no idea about the greater context of the conflict.
Ukraine was "politically neutral" and aligned with Russia for about 2 decades of all the time since USSR broke up. It *did not* thrive at all. Which is why people hated the Russia aligned politicians and that lead to their overthrow.

Russia is more *antiwest* than Ukraine you bloody clown.
You will get shit, not liberation, from anti-western alliance of Russia and China getting victories, that will just make the managers sell out your interests to them harder.

The geopolitical rivals will never let you build anything, nevermind a new system, if you let them get geopolitical victories in hope it will get you put in charge. They aren't that stupid.
I agree with @Marduk .What happened? EndTimes are near! Go for the hills! ;)
 

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